3rd RMT - Bulky Offense

Scarf Landorus or Scarf Terrakion?

  • Landorus

    Votes: 33 55.0%

  • Terrakion

    Votes: 27 45.0%
  • Total voters
    60
  • Poll closed .

Thundur

::Introduction::
I used to be a very hyper offensive player, but now that I am more familier with the the meta game I find that bulky offense is a nice balanced way to play. You can cover a lot of large threats while you destroy with your sweepers or other offensive pokemon. Anyway enjoy the RMT. I have improved the quality since my last RMT by adding more detail to my pokemon descriptions so it should be a funner read.




::The Team::
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Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
Careful Nature
156 HP - 252 Attk - 100 SpD
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Stone Edge
-Superpower

::EV's and Nature::
-256 HP to survive hits to retaliate with great force.
-252 Attk to do alot of damage to blissey and reuniclus
-100 SpD to have enough bulk to wall latias and if at full health latios.
-Careful Nature to increase special bulk to take on latios and latias better.

::Why Tyranitar?::
Well tyranitar does great things for this team. #1 sets up sand. #2 tanks hits as well as still packing a punch. Tyranitar also can wall latias by play the crunch, pursuit mind game to kill latias off. This spread can work for latios, just has to be at a nice amount of HP.

::Moves::
-Crunch for reuniclus and another nice stab second to stone edge.
-Pursuit to trap threats such as latios and latias.
-Stone Edge for a great powerful stab.
-Superpower for other tyranitars and pokemon that are weak to it.









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Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Impish Nature
252 HP - 228 Def - 28 Spd
-Spikes
-Brave Bird
-Whirlwind
-Roost

::EV's and Nature::
-252 HP for tanking physical hits really well
-228 Def to increase the walling power against threats such as haxorus and scrafty.
-28 Spd to be utilize skarmory as more of a utility pokemon as well as a wall.
-Impish Nature to increase Def to take on physical threats better.

::Why Skarmory?::
Skarmory is a great addition to any team as it walls physical attackers so well and patches up weaknesses to a lot of sweepers.

::Moves::
-Spikes to rack up damage and put pressure on my opponent.
-Brave Bird for a powerful attack.
-Whirlwind to rack up hazard damage as well as preventing pokemon that try to set up.
-Roost to keep my health up and for walling purposes.










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Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
4 HP - 252 Attk - 252 Spd
-Close Combat
-Rock Slide
-Stone Edge
-X-Scissior

::EV's and Nature::
-4 HP to have somewhat more health.
-252 Attk for maximum attacking power to demolish you.
-252 Spd for out speeding threats such as +1 volcorona.
-Jolly nature to out speed a lot of other pokemon with terrakion's nice 108 base speed stat.

::Why Terrakion::
I used to have scarf landorus here but I decided to make the switch. Faladran suggested it and I decided to test it more. It works really well so i put him in landorus' place. Landorus can sweep to once all of the opponents fighting resists are gone.

::Moves::
-Close Combat for the main stab move that decimates foes.
-Stone Edge for a powerful back up stab for flying types, dragonites, levitators, ect.
-Rock Slide for when I don't want to risk missing stone edge.
-X-Scissor for psychic types and especially celebi.









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Latias @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 HP - 4 SpA - 252 Spd
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Roost

::EV's and Nature::
-252 HP for great bulk.
-4 SpA for increased attacking power.
-252 Spd to out speed threats and KO them with a couple calm minds.
-Timid Nature to have max Spd and Demolish with calm minds.

::Why Latias?::
Latias pairs great with skarmory as they have good synergy together. This team supports latias well too. Let this thing get a couple of calm minds up and its gg.

::Moves::
-Calm Mind to use this things full sweeping potential.
-Dragon Pulse to have a great reliable stab.
-HP fire for steel types that resist dragon type attacks.
-Roost to increase latias' life span and to sweep pokemon better.









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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
104 HP - 252 SpA - 152 Spd
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Pain Split

::EV's and Nature::
-104 HP for nice bulk.
-252 SpA for great power.
-152 Spd to utilize its high SpA even more by out speeding threats to hit them with the appropriate move.
-Modest nature to insure a lot of KO's.

::Why Rotom?::
I used to run a specs rotom here. Sometimes I do miss the power of specs rotom but the ability to last longer (get your mind out of the gutter) with pain split and leftovers and being able to switch attacks is really great.

::Moves::
-Volt Switch for amazing offensive momentum and good stab.
-Hydro Pump for a high powered stab as well as I have no choice to not run hydro pump due to rotom-w with out hydro pump are illegal.
-HP Fire for scizor and other pokemon who are weak to it.
-Pain Split to survive longer.









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Heatran @ Air Balloon
Timid Nature
252 SpA - 252 Spd - 4 Def
-Stealth Rocks
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power [Ice]

::EV's and Nature::
-252 SpA for amazing power.
-252 Spd for good speed to out speed pokemon and get his attack off first.
-4 Def for slightly better defense to live some attacks.
-Timid Nature for max Spd

::Why Heatran?::
Heatran is a great pokemon. It works as a back up counter to volcorona as landorus is my first. Sets up rocks and utilizes his great SpA to demolish foes.

::Moves::
-Stealth Rocks to increase the pressure on my opponent and to rack up damage.
-Fire Blast for a great powerful stab.
-Earth Power for other heatrans and good coverage.
-HP ice for dragons.








::Final Note::
Well I hope you guys and gals enjoyed this RMT as much as I liked making it. Please rate and leave your critiques so I can make this team as good as possible. -Thundurrr :pimp:
 
Since your running CM Latias, take the speed ev's and put them into defense, also change timid to bold. Max defense makes Latias extremely bulky and actually allows her to absorb most physical threats. The great thing about Latias is that she has nice base defenses, so she doesn't need speed. I get the felling your using Latias to offensively, but if you want power and speed go ahead and run Latios because he is better at both. You already have plenty of sweepers on your team so try and run this more defensive set that I use on my team.

Latias @ Leftovers
Levitate
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
Bold
-Calm Mind
-Roost
-Roar
-Dragon Pulse

This set has helped me climb to the first page of the ladder on Pokemon Battle Center. This set should actually work well with the rest of your team since you don't have a mixed wall. In my opinion the best possible set for a Latias.
 
I suggest you give Heatran HP Grass to net surprise KOs on Jellicent and other waters that try and switch in on it. Trust me, it's saved my own Heatran many times, and your Landorus and Latias can deal with dragons just fine.
 
Really nice team Thundur and I love your avatar (my favorite animal is an owl and I always see that pic around everywhere and still lol everytime). In regards to replacing Landorus with Terrakion, I don't think that you should for this reason. Priority mach punch and bullet punch are wayyyy too common right now and almost every team has either of the two i noticed. Also, landorus' uturn keeps offensive momentum when spammed with rotoms volt switch. I myself prefer Scarf Rotom just because its able to outspeed certain things but its up to you anyway. Otherwise really good team, just one more thing. I really liked Dragones suggestion of swapping out Latias' Speed evs for Defence, because lets face it, once they see you calm mind once their just gonna toss their strongest physical attacker at you right away. You might also want to consider Leftovers over Air Balloon on Heatran just for steady recovery.

Nice team and good luck! :)
 
Dragone said:
Since your running CM Latias, take the speed ev's and put them into defense, also change timid to bold. Max defense makes Latias extremely bulky and actually allows her to absorb most physical threats. The great thing about Latias is that she has nice base defenses, so she doesn't need speed. I get the felling your using Latias to offensively, but if you want power and speed go ahead and run Latios because he is better at both. You already have plenty of sweepers on your team so try and run this more defensive set that I use on my team.

Latias @ Leftovers
Levitate
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
Bold
-Calm Mind
-Roost
-Roar
-Dragon Pulse

This set has helped me climb to the first page of the ladder on Pokemon Battle Center. This set should actually work well with the rest of your team since you don't have a mixed wall. In my opinion the best possible set for a Latias.
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I dont think that is very practical as the speed evs help more. I dont need another physical wall. This is aimed toward more a sweeper set than a wall, it just works as one.

I suggest you give Heatran HP Grass to net surprise KOs on Jellicent and other waters that try and switch in on it. Trust me, it's saved my own Heatran many times, and your Landorus and Latias can deal with dragons just fine.
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Ill test thanks!

Really nice team Thundur and I love your avatar (my favorite animal is an owl and I always see that pic around everywhere and still lol everytime). In regards to replacing Landorus with Terrakion, I don't think that you should for this reason. Priority mach punch and bullet punch are wayyyy too common right now and almost every team has either of the two i noticed. Also, landorus' uturn keeps offensive momentum when spammed with rotoms volt switch. I myself prefer Scarf Rotom just because its able to outspeed certain things but its up to you anyway. Otherwise really good team, just one more thing. I really liked Dragones suggestion of swapping out Latias' Speed evs for Defence, because lets face it, once they see you calm mind once their just gonna toss their strongest physical attacker at you right away. You might also want to consider Leftovers over Air Balloon on Heatran just for steady recovery.

Nice team and good luck! :)
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As i said earlier latias and 252 def evs dont match, and air balloon works better on offensive tran. As for the landy vs terrakion, I am still testing and will make a decision after the poll is over. thanks!
 
Another change you could possibly make is switch rotom to gastrodon for opposing rotom-w. Rotom-w has moves that hit 4/6 of your pokemon for SE damage on its standard set and it can possibly carry HP ice/trick for latias or HP grass for your own Rotom. Just something to consider, it might ruin your offensive momentum.
 
Hasoonie17 said:
Another change you could possibly make is switch rotom to gastrodon for opposing rotom-w. Rotom-w has moves that hit 4/6 of your pokemon for SE damage on its standard set and it can possibly carry HP ice/trick for latias or HP grass for your own Rotom. Just something to consider, it might ruin your offensive momentum.
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I will test thanks, but rotom works well on this team and latias still rapes rotom
 
Dragone said:
Since your running CM Latias, take the speed ev's and put them into defense, also change timid to bold. Max defense makes Latias extremely bulky and actually allows her to absorb most physical threats. The great thing about Latias is that she has nice base defenses, so she doesn't need speed. I get the felling your using Latias to offensively, but if you want power and speed go ahead and run Latios because he is better at both. You already have plenty of sweepers on your team so try and run this more defensive set that I use on my team.

Latias @ Leftovers
Levitate
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
Bold
-Calm Mind
-Roost
-Roar
-Dragon Pulse

This set has helped me climb to the first page of the ladder on Pokemon Battle Center. This set should actually work well with the rest of your team since you don't have a mixed wall. In my opinion the best possible set for a Latias.
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lol

I'd say landorus is a lot better than terrakion, because it has way more power and U-turn, as well as the ability to beat gliscor
 
Aeromence said:
lol

I'd say landorus is a lot better than terrakion, because it has way more power and U-turn, as well as the ability to beat gliscor
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it still depends on the team you have. terrakion is good for some, and landy is good for others. personally for this team i am leaning towards landy.
 
Hey there. This is a pretty nice team you have, but it can become even better.

With a lack of recovery and no rapid spinner, Heatran will get worn down quite easily; if Heatran goes down, your team becomes extremely weak to sun teams and standard DD Dragonite (Fire Punch can deal a good amount of damage to Skarmory). I suggest that you switch it to a specially defensive variant with Leftovers in order to have longer survivability. The EV Spread is 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef with a Calm Nature. The moveset is Lava Plume / Stealth Rock / Protect / Toxic. This will allow Heatran to sponge special hits while also crippling walls such as Gastrodon that would otherwise defeat it easily.

Seeing as you have no scarfer, faster pokemon such as Starmie can prove to be a major threat to your team. To remedy this, I suggest that you switch Rotom-W to a Choice Scarf variant. Scarf Rotom-W can maintain momentum for your team quite easily as well. Your current EVs and moveset are fine, but replace Hidden Power Grass with Hidden Power Ice. Hidden Power Ice lets Rotom-W decimate standard DD Dragonite even after it gets a Dragon Dance; Gastrodon can be worn down by hazards, Toxic'd by Heatran, or crippled by Rotom-W's Trick.

Hope I helped, and good luck!
 
ShakeItUp said:
Hey there. This is a pretty nice team you have, but it can become even better.

With a lack of recovery and no rapid spinner, Heatran will get worn down quite easily; if Heatran goes down, your team becomes extremely weak to sun teams and standard DD Dragonite (Fire Punch can deal a good amount of damage to Skarmory). I suggest that you switch it to a specially defensive variant with Leftovers in order to have longer survivability. The EV Spread is 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef with a Calm Nature. The moveset is Lava Plume / Stealth Rock / Protect / Toxic. This will allow Heatran to sponge special hits while also crippling walls such as Gastrodon that would otherwise defeat it easily.

Seeing as you have no scarfer, faster pokemon such as Starmie can prove to be a major threat to your team. To remedy this, I suggest that you switch Rotom-W to a Choice Scarf variant. Scarf Rotom-W can maintain momentum for your team quite easily as well. Your current EVs and moveset are fine, but replace Hidden Power Grass with Hidden Power Ice. Hidden Power Ice lets Rotom-W decimate standard DD Dragonite even after it gets a Dragon Dance; Gastrodon can be worn down by hazards, Toxic'd by Heatran, or crippled by Rotom-W's Trick.

Hope I helped, and good luck!
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scarf landorus >_> you didnt read very well. and i will try spD tran but latias covers sun well to.
 
Thundur said:
scarf landorus >_> you didnt read very well. and i will try spD tran but latias covers sun well to.
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*facepalm*
Sorry, haha. I was in kind of a hurry. Also, Heatran covers sun much better than Latias does; Volcarona and Growth Venusaur with Sludge Bomb can decimate your team if you rely on Latias.
 
Hi,

You have a solid sand team here, but with your current sets, you will be hard pressed to beat TR Reuniclus, who has potential to sweep your whole team after some hazard damage. SpDef Tyranitar is not so useful now that Thunderus is banned, so I'm going to suggest the use of a more offensive Tar. Blissey/Chansey really are problem pokemon for you right now, since you don't have anything that can break them with immediate force, with Rain Stall being the main offender here. Using Tar with EVs of 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 SpDef should be enough to KO Tr Reuniclus, living a FB from it. With this change, Stone Edge would go over Fire Blast in Tyranitar's moveset. You will still hit Ferrothorn and Skarmory for a bunch of damage, who I feel aren't such big issues, since Heatran and Rotom-w respectively beat those two pokemon (while Latias can catch them off guard with HP Fire). Additionally, you still trap Lati@s, and will not sacrifice too much defensive capability.

With Heatran, I feel like HP Grass is over doing it since Rotom-w already lures in Gastrodon to be KO'ed by HP Grass. Dragonite is a much more pressing threat, and having something like HP Ice on Heatran will greatly hamper the amount of times dragon types will set up on your team. On that note, Drag+Mag, does quite the number to your team, so using Shed Shell on Skarmory is something to consider in avoiding being trapped by Magnezone.

Not much to say, looks like a solid team. Hope I helped, and good luck!
 
San_Pellegrino said:
Hi,

You have a solid sand team here, but with your current sets, you will be hard pressed to beat TR Reuniclus, who has potential to sweep your whole team after some hazard damage. SpDef Tyranitar is not so useful now that Thunderus is banned, so I'm going to suggest the use of a more offensive Tar. Blissey/Chansey really are problem pokemon for you right now, since you don't have anything that can break them with immediate force, with Rain Stall being the main offender here. Using Tar with EVs of 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 SpDef should be enough to KO Tr Reuniclus, living a FB from it. With this change, Stone Edge would go over Fire Blast in Tyranitar's moveset. You will still hit Ferrothorn and Skarmory for a bunch of damage, who I feel aren't such big issues, since Heatran and Rotom-w respectively beat those two pokemon (while Latias can catch them off guard with HP Fire). Additionally, you still trap Lati@s, and will not sacrifice too much defensive capability.

With Heatran, I feel like HP Grass is over doing it since Rotom-w already lures in Gastrodon to be KO'ed by HP Grass. Dragonite is a much more pressing threat, and having something like HP Ice on Heatran will greatly hamper the amount of times dragon types will set up on your team. On that note, Drag+Mag, does quite the number to your team, so using Shed Shell on Skarmory is something to consider in avoiding being trapped by Magnezone.

Not much to say, looks like a solid team. Hope I helped, and good luck!
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I will test. Thank you.
 
Hey, sorry I'm late. I think you have most things covered well. Personally, I feel Scarf Terrakion would be worth using here. It has the advantage of giving you a solid check to SD Lucario. Landorus can check NP variants, but they're a lot less common.

You could probably test a standard Rotom-W over your current set. Specs is cool and all, but Pain Split and Leftovers give you more longevity, which is important for a bulkier team like this.

As for minor tweaks, Taunt on Skarmory is worth a try to help against more defensive teams. Just use 32 Speed EVs for speed creeping. Ferrothorn and other Skarmory won't be able to set up against you. Roar on Latias is also worthy considering, as you can phaze out and weaken opponents before sweeping. This gives you a reliable switch into CM Reuniclus and also lets you Roar out Pursuit users until hazards take them out.

GL
 
Ttar has fun with screech+pursuit. Superpower might kill itself (lowers def) so you may want to replace that with... eq?

Skarmory, I have no idea why people want to use Brave bird, only 40 more power than drill peck and it gets rid of your own sturdy (which is kind of terrible) also shed shell isn't as useful as I thought it would be, whirlwind saves you from Magnezone anyway so lefties?

Landorus has sandforce. Enough to make it superior to Terrakion, however HP ice is a SPECIAL move and its almost exclusive to Gliscor and/or Dragonite. Garchomp is frail so a eq should take it out anyway. I'll try to find a alternative for that. (explosion?)

HP fire can be replaced with charge beam to finish off low hp pokemon and study/sash and also give latias (hopefully) another sp.att increase. 50 base power isn't that bad and it does hit steels and if you used CM 2/3 times you should be 2HKO steels. (bar Ferrothornn).

Rotom should get SCARF instead of specs because 91 base spd isn't great (Haxorus, Hydregion, Garchomp etc.etc.) and also trick will mess pokemon who are already fast up. You can have Confuse ray instead of Hp grass because if you see water types you can VS anyway.

Heatran mabye needs rock slide?
 
Spudzes said:
Ttar has fun with screech+pursuit. Superpower might kill itself (lowers def) so you may want to replace that with... eq?

Skarmory, I have no idea why people want to use Brave bird, only 40 more power than drill peck and it gets rid of your own sturdy (which is kind of terrible) also shed shell isn't as useful as I thought it would be, whirlwind saves you from Magnezone anyway so lefties?

Landorus has sandforce. Enough to make it superior to Terrakion, however HP ice is a SPECIAL move and its almost exclusive to Gliscor and/or Dragonite. Garchomp is frail so a eq should take it out anyway. I'll try to find a alternative for that. (explosion?)

HP fire can be replaced with charge beam to finish off low hp pokemon and study/sash and also give latias (hopefully) another sp.att increase. 50 base power isn't that bad and it does hit steels and if you used CM 2/3 times you should be 2HKO steels. (bar Ferrothornn).

Rotom should get SCARF instead of specs because 91 base spd isn't great (Haxorus, Hydregion, Garchomp etc.etc.) and also trick will mess pokemon who are already fast up. You can have Confuse ray instead of Hp grass because if you see water types you can VS anyway.

Heatran mabye needs rock slide?
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Why would he put a physical on a special pokemon (Heatran)???? Whirlwind has negative priority so that is not going to help with the shed shell situation that you speak of. Also, anybody that uses screech on a T-tar is a total noob. Also, usualy when a Tyranitar uses Superpower it is predicting Ferrothorn to come in and if it is incorrect he directly switched out.
 
Changes- Scarf terrakion
Standard rotom

the rotom is still debatable with specs i will set up a new poll once i find out how to close this one if its possible.
 
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