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Metagame 4v4 Doubles UU

Specs Iron Valiant 4th Move VR
I want to write a post about Iron Valiant's sets but haven't done so yet. Choice Specs seems to be very good though, so here's a VR of moves you can use on it besides Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, and Aura Sphere.

SExpanding ForceVacuum WaveTrick
AShadow BallIcy WindPsyshock
BPsychicFocus BlastThunderbolt
CQuick GuardHyper BeamClose CombatEnergy Ball
Hyper VoiceShadow Sneak
Use these to get Sizzle to use Iron Valiant the way a parent tells a child that the spoon is an airplaneMetronomeHexDestiny BondHypnosis
Future Sight
 
Seed 8 vs Seed 9
TheBusinessPiggy vs ditt8/Cubo - 55/45. BP can get in his own head and Cubo is a relatively strong clicker, but I think he would take prep a lot less seriously. I've seen how BP preps for even the less serious stuff, and what makes it scarier is that BP chose to branch out in Reg F. He likes to hyperfix on specific Pokemon (Slither Wing rn) but he can definitely pilot other cores, namely the standard Archaludon rain. It's a close match and I'm very hyped to see it


Seed 5 vs Seed 12
Sinnoy vs Skwovetboi - 65/35. Sinnoy's one of the stronger clickers in the tier and lives to build, even if it's so bad that sinnoyslop has become a 4v4 uu term. Think Sinnoy has this if he takes it seriously in the builder and doesn't bring checks notes Riolu or Impish Electric Seed Iron Hands


Seed 7 vs Seed 10
merrypasta vs Ev_Evan - 40/60. I think Evan's a more consistent clicker. He can sometimes overcook in the builder but he seemed really enthusiastic about making worlds, and enjoys Regulation F more, I think he'll bring a strong team. I wouldn't be surprised if pasta pulls a win here, since they're far from a bad clicker or builder themselves, and could definitely pull up with an unexpected Pokemon.


Seed 6 vs Seed 11
Pengu vs Nocturne Nugget - 45/55. Pengu has been burnt out for a while, I don't think he will put in as much effort towards Reg F or worlds/playoffs. Leila hasn't been able to make many tours either which makes this match very interesting. I think Leila is definitely stronger in the builder, but she's probably a worse clicker. I think this is slightly in her favour because Reg F rewards you in the builder a lot, and because she won in our second discord tournament's Losers Finals.
 
thebusinesspiggy vs ditt8 - 40/60 ditt8 is a really strong clicker and consistent player, tbp is more hit or miss, whilst they can have great performances i dont tihnk they quite have the experience at a high level tohave the advantage in this mu, gonna be a hype match regardless though.

sinnoy vs skwovetboi - 65/35 THE GOAT, no but sinnoy is one of the best and most commited players of the format, whilst skwovet has had good success and is a strong player, their builds have been quite hit or miss for me (tho same can be said for sinnoy), another hype mu but I think that sinnoy is just the more consistent player and should take it.

pasta vs ev_evan - 55/45 pasta gets the advantage off motivation and general experience with the meta, though both are very strong players

pengu vs nocturne nugget - 49/51 both players are incredibly strong and this is easily the best match of the bunch, im super looking forward to watching it, giving nocturne the slight edge cause of their slight more involvement in reg f.
 
predicts for playoffs week 1!
me vs. ditt8 - no expectations, glhf to ditt8! uhhh just so you have something to read SLITHER WING IS AN S+ TIER POKEMON DON'T LET THEM CENSOR THE MOTH

Sinnoy vs. Skwovetboi - 60/40 i talk to both of them a lot and sinnoy seems to have a better grasp of the meta, having built multiple teams that all stand up in their own as off-meta menaces. however, skwovet dedicates a lot to multi-week tournaments like this and i can see them pulling up with some insane cook that manages to outpace sinnoy. both of them are very strong players imo, i'm just favored towards sinnoy because i've seen what the teams can do. also worth mentioning, i've seen both overcook and completely blow up the kitchen. most exciting match of the week for me (other than mine)


merrypasta vs. Ev_Evan - 55/45 favored towards pasta because i think evan can get a little lost in the builder sometimes. same thing as the two above, just some very interesting teambuilding. pasta can however be a little stuck in agenda sometimes (ival moment), but they have proven they can build quite diverse teams, like the one they brought against gephicka in the last open. i think this is definitely a good watch.


Pengu vs. Nocturne Nugget - 45/55 neither of them have played much recently but both played in the last 2 regionals and had very good finishes, both making top cut. favored towards nocturne because they're more involved with reg f so far. it's also a runback from open 2's loser side finals! certainly hyped to see it.
 
My predictions:

Seed 8 vs Seed 9
thebusinesspiggy vs ditt8 - 55/45. Ditt8 is good at the game, and was near the top of the Reg H ladder not too long ago. However, he hasn't been playing much of UU lately, so I'm actually doubtful regarding his chances. I'm sure his fundamental skills will still shine through, but BP has played a lot more of Reg F, both in practice and in tournaments. I'm sure if he doesn't use Slither Moth or whatever it's called he can take the win.


Seed 5 vs Seed 12
sinnoy vs skwovetboi - 60/40. Sinnoy is one of the best players in the tier, and while Skwovetboi was able to make it to #12, there's a reason Sinnoy is #5, barely missing a bye to skip Round 1. Despite his strange choices sometimes in teambuilding, I think he's able to make something work most of the time. Riolu making top 4 was very funny, and while I doubt he'll pull something like that out of his ass again, there is a good chance he has something up his sleeve that can give him a win. Skwovetboi's chances depend on whether or not he has enough restraint to prevent himself from using Chandelure.

Seed 7 vs Seed 10
pasta vs ev_evan - 50/50. I'm not going to make a judgment, as I'm part of this match. However, I do think Evan is very good at coming out of nowhere with a good team, as he did both during Reg H and yesterday's weekly. Regardless, Gephicka is definitely right that in tournaments like this, I tend to win off builder. I feel like my chances in this match depend on what Evan chooses to bring. I've never played him in a context like this, so I actually have no clue whether he's passive & repeats good teams or goes for an aggressive counter like I tend to lean toward.

Seed 6 vs Seed 11
Pengu vs Nocturne Nugget - 45/55. I think Leila is very good at the game, despite her recent lower activity in Reg J and F. If she can gain more familiarity with the format, I think she has a better chance to win, primarily because Pengu's inactivity has been even more long-lasting. From my match against them during the last Open, I think Pengu's predisposed to bringing teams with some meta members but uncommon mons as well. They brought a snow team featuring Tauros, Abomasnow, and Magmortar, alongside the more common Dragapult, Baxcalibur, and Glimmora. If I have to guess, Leila will bring a generally strong core in the format while Pengu will respond with something unexpected held together by glue such as Landorus-Therian, Brute Bonnet, or bulky attackers like Heatran and Iron Hands. I may be completely off though.
 
thebusinesspiggy said:
predicts for playoffs week 1!
me vs. ditt8 - no expectations, glhf to ditt8! uhhh just so you have something to read SLITHER WING IS AN S+ TIER POKEMON DON'T LET THEM CENSOR THE MOTH

Sinnoy vs. Skwovetboi - 60/40 i talk to both of them a lot and sinnoy seems to have a better grasp of the meta, having built multiple teams that all stand up in their own as off-meta menaces. however, skwovet dedicates a lot to multi-week tournaments like this and i can see them pulling up with some insane cook that manages to outpace sinnoy. both of them are very strong players imo, i'm just favored towards sinnoy because i've seen what the teams can do. also worth mentioning, i've seen both overcook and completely blow up the kitchen. most exciting match of the week for me (other than mine)


merrypasta vs. Ev_Evan - 55/45 favored towards pasta because i think evan can get a little lost in the builder sometimes. same thing as the two above, just some very interesting teambuilding. pasta can however be a little stuck in agenda sometimes (ival moment), but they have proven they can build quite diverse teams, like the one they brought against gephicka in the last open. i think this is definitely a good watch.


Pengu vs. Nocturne Nugget - 45/55 neither of them have played much recently but both played in the last 2 regionals and had very good finishes, both making top cut. favored towards nocturne because they're more involved with reg f so far. it's also a runback from open 2's loser side finals! certainly hyped to see it.
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If I bring Iron Valiant to my match against Evan, it will have the move Metronome and I will beat him by getting a Dire Claw sleep from Metronome.
 
Sorry to ruin the fun but here are the results from Regulation F UU's first tiering survey!

Indeedee :Indeedee: - General: 1.79, Qualified: 1.62
Basculegion :Basculegion: - General: 1.95, Qualified: 1.92
Grimmsnarl :Grimmsnarl: - General: 2., Qualified: 1.92
These are quite central metagame forces that received one or two votes above a 3. Some of these may remain in future surveys to gauge community opinions but the council won't pay close attention to what are deemed complete non-issues.

:Iron Hands: Iron Hands :Iron Hands:
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General: 2.6, Qualified: 2.77 - Iron Hands has been very dominant in 4v4 UU's tournaments, consistently topping the usage stats. Some concerns have arised thanks to how well it damage trades with the rest of the format, whether that be Swords Dance behind screens or Assault Vest on standard balance. However, the large majority of the playerbase believe Iron Hands to be fine, and further action is very unlikely unless major changes happen to benefit Iron Hands.

:Archaludon: Archaludon :Archaludon:
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General: 3.4, Qualified: 3.7 - Archaludon has been dreaded even before usage stats were released, the Pokemon has narrowly avoided a quickban vote and is arguably the strongest threat in the metagame. After Enamorus and Annihilape received the ban hammer, Archaludon has evolved to use Stamina Body Press set up alongside Fezandipiti or Ogerpon, becoming extremely difficult to kill and having the potential to snowball games. The votes and opinions about Archaludon are extremely polarized, so the council has decided to watch Archaludon very closely, we are currently considering potential action.

Enjoyment: General - 7.2, Qualified - 7.15
Balance: General - 6.6, Qualified - 6.38
The playerbase seems to really enjoy the format right now, but the balance is brought down to a less than stellar number because of Archaludon's controversy. We don't believe any action is required yet, but again, the council will keep a very close eye on Archaludon and how the metagame reacts to it. Thanks to everyone for responding and Im happy to see most of you really enjoy 4v4 UU! Keep an eye out for our weekly live tournaments that happen on our Limitless Page and the Smogon kickoff tournament coming up soon <3

Reg H Enjoyment: General - 6.89, Qualified - 7.18
Reg H Balance: General - 6.89, Qualified - 6.9
Reg J Enjoyment: General - 6.71, Qualified - 6.5
Reg J Balance: General - 6.6, Qualified - 6.9
Our last formats were difficult to tier, as Regulation H had a significantly low power level and Regulation J naturally came with strong centralisation. Not to mention how they were run together, so burn out and lack of interest was more common. I'm personally quite happy that they approached a 7 in all these categories despite the struggles they faced.
 
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this is pengu for those wondering
Seed 8 vs Seed 9
thebusinesspiggy vs ditt8 - 51/49
IMO this battle can go either way. BP is stronger in the builder for sure and has been I'd say more involved in this tier and can definitely whip out something saucy (rain probably LOL). cubox (ditt8) is a strong clicker for sure but I haven't seen much of their play do I'll be giving the edge to BP here.

Seed 5 vs Seed 12
sinnoy vs skwovetboi - 70/30
Sinnoy does really well in having surprisingly good builds although most of the niche mons they use are kinda shit and tag along instead of actually do something. Tbh skwovetboi has a similar issue where they use generally unviable Pokemon but both are strong in battle (from the few sets I've seen, I might be completely wrong), I think it's just a difference in experience honestly.

Seed 7 vs Seed 10
pasta vs ev_evan - 60/40
pasta is a strong clicker and decent builder (surely valiant isn't in EVERY set) and someone who I have played against quite a lot. Evan just isn't someone I'm familiar with though I've heard great things about their play and pasta can sell sometimes soooooo...

Seed 6 vs Seed 11
Pengu Linux OS vs Nocturne Nugget - 0/100
who's a pengu believer in the big reg f i mean cmon we left that shit in reg i
I'll just be rattling through Pokemon lol

:Enamorus:
Yeah keep this girl locked the fuck up. Contrary is kinda stupid in a format lacking any good Steels aside from the Earth Power weak Heatran. Doesn't even need Tailwind support to be faster thanks to Scary Face, overall I don't have much to say.

keep cheese items banned yadayada we know we know

:Archaludon:
Tbh this guy is not banworthy. I have and will continue to experiment with Archaludon and in practice it doesn't always feel too strong thanks to the popularity of choices like Landorus-T, Iron Hands, and Ninetales-A, the first two can run AV as well. I like having Rain as a solid choice in the format so it might be a bias but Archaludon just doesn't feel mega banworthy (until we pull up with Sinsitcha + arch).

:Annihilape:
Another broken that I think definitely deserved to get banned, having no Rage Fist resists + very few fighting resists is really scary + scarf set variance can also fuck up your plans into Annihilape. BU sets are 100% the scariest though, Rage Fist goes unchecked and, without Enam, there aren't any huge ways to hit it tbh.

:sneasler:
I think Sneasler should've been in the tier for a bit longer because I think the consensus on it is a bit skewed. Yes psychic seed sets are inherently broken but certainly able to be dealt with (redirection, lando). It being highly uncompetitive isn't even totally true; I'd argue that the fact that Close Combat goes nigh unresisted and its high speed are what are a bit more worrysome. I guess the ban makes sense but I could see a world with Sneasler in reg f as long as some drops happen or something.

:Articuno:
Free Articuno and ban Snow Cloak. This is a hill I will die on for sure. While your at it, ban Sand Veil too. I think freezespam is perfectly fine to have in the tier as seen in most other tiers and is still present in the tier so idk why this should be an argument (while I get that bundle isn't as inherently bulky and can't fish for more freezes because of that but its damage more than makes up for that). OHKO moves aren't too big of an issue either; if they are hated so much then I think they should be banned alongside evasion boosting abilities.


Survey results

:indeedee:+:basculegion:
Honestly surprised these weren't voted a tad higher, maybe around 2-2.3 but eh. Strong Pokemon that have severe weaknesses, I think Indeedee can safely be removed from the survey but Basculegion should stay on. If it continues to warrant issues then suspect it or suspect Last Respects if that is the real issue.

:grimmsnarl:
Why is this guy even here? I think it just got onto the survey because of Light Screen Reflect TWave/Scary Face being annoying? In that case why wasn't Thundurus here as well? Tbh keep this guy off the next survey, annoying Pokemon for sure but not banworthy, similar to something like Ting-Lu + Gouging Fire in DOU - annoying but certainly not broken / oppressing enough to warrant a ban.

:Iron hands:
Same situation as Grimmsnarl tbh, far from banworthy and is probably high up in ratings because of it being so popular but would keep it on the survey in case something happens.

:archaludon:
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