A platinum team that does very well :)

Chileno4Live

Chileno4Live

~Hey guys~

I've been testing this team for some time and i think it's finally time to show you guys what it is. I've found some threats that might be dangerous and i'd like some help :) Here's the team:

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Note: Change are in Bold

In Depth:​

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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Shadow Ball
- Trick
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This guy is 1 tough pokemon to deal with. As lead it outspeeds most pokemon with the exception of other scarfers and deoxys/ninjask. Trick any bronzong in my way or if i feel like he's switching i'll also trick. Just a good pokemon to go with. Sometimes i won't trick because DD gyarados is a major threat to this team. Thunderbolt is for gyarados ofcourse and for vaporeon and the likes of that. And Aerodactyl, which is often seen as a lead. HP ice is for salamence and the other dragons and Shadow Ball for STAB.

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Heatran (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flamethrower
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Man this 1 rocks. It's a really good pokemon and has many usefull resistance. It's my revenge killer and she does a good job at it. I think it's just the standard Heatran. HP ice for dragons. Flamethrower for STAB and explosion for the nasty blissey. Earth Power is for Infernape and the likes and also works against opponent's heatran.

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Azelf @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Zen Headbutt
- Ice Punch
- Trick/Thunder Punch
- Explosion
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I gave it a scarf now so it can outspeed Salamence after 1 DD and Revenge Kill it with Ice Punch. I might change Trick to Thunder Punch, as some people suggested only using 1 Tricker. It still is a some sort of Psychical Sweeper. It also outspeeds some other threads like Weavile now so i can kill it. It works as a sweeper i suppose :D

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Scizor (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
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Yes Mr. Terror is back, this guy is 1 evil Scizor to deal with. With Swords Dance, Bullet Punch hurts alot of pokemon. X-Scissor is for a good STAB move and hurts Celebi ALOT. Superpower is there to 2HKO Skarmory and Forretress, and to predict the Heatran switch-in and own it with Superpower.

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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/86 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Surf
- Wish
- Protect/Ice Beam
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I've replaced this in place of Swampert because of the Gyarados weak. Vaporeon is a great Wishpasser aswell as a good Infernape counter. Not much to say, it's a standard Vaporeon which is very good. I'm doubting with Protect or Ice Beam but i think i'll take Protect as it helps with Wish. Not much to say here.

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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave/Ice Beam/Stealth Rock
- Seismic Toss
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I've replaced the WishBliss with this bliss. It sponges very good and it has Aromatherapy for Thunder Wave issues. I also got Vaporeon as Wishpasser now so yeah you know lol. This is also a standard blissey, but i've seen alot of Dugtrio's lately so i'm thinking of using Ice Beam to kill the little mole, but i also need Thunder Wave to crippple other Sweepers, i'd like help with this. I also need the SR so i can give blissey SR aswell.

Threat List:​

Gyarados: Man this guy is evil. With 1 DD it owns my entire team. My last hope is that Heatran outspeeds it after 1 DD so i can explode on it. Otherwise it's gg.

Heracross: Yes, he's a pain in the ass. It's hard to beat a Scarfed Set as it outspeeds Heatran. Gengar or Azelf switches in Close Combat though.

Salamence: Well i can keep it at bay sometimes, but it's a dangerous guy. Usually i Revege Kill it with Scizor's Bullet Punch but it might survive, and then i'm screwed.

I hope you guys can help me with this, i appreciate any comment alot. RMT!!

Note: I've changed my team abit so i hope i'll get new comment ^_^;. This team works better now so thnx for replying, it's not the best team so i'd like some more help :D I don't have a SRer now so i'd like help with that!
 
IIRC if you use Timid Heatran > Modest Heatran you will outrun Scarfcross. I'll just go check now... Yes Timid Scarf Heatran beats Adamant Scarf Heracross. It's probably best just running Max Speed on Heatran for general purposes and other Heatran out speeding, Gengar can cover Heracross a bit, especially if they seem to be lining up against Blissey or Heatran stuck on another move.

If you are Gyara and Mence Weak, you can run Vaporeon > Swampert with HP Electric, Ice Beam, Wish and Protect, freeing up Blissey to do some more stuff. Bliss can then learn Softboiled and perhaps T-Wave > Protect to try to catch Physical Threats on the switch. I guess you could also run Charm there as well. I was thinking about Charm Bliss on the way home from school and I think it has good Scope. Anyway if you think that is nothing more than a Gimmik, Thunder Wave, T-bolt or Ice Beam will work just fine in that slot for Blissey. If you find Bliss a bit redundant with Vaporeon there you can always come back with what the issue might be, although A Mix Sweeper might be useful, or something Bulky that can hit on both sides of the spectrum IDK. Anyway I hope that this helped and good luck testing stuff!
 
Wow thnx for the respons i appreciate it alot. I was also considering Vaporeon but then i don't have somethin that can absorb Thunder Wave or something. Blissey can leave as Vaporeon can be my Wishpasser now. Idk for what <_>. Well thnx alot again someone else with some advice?
 
Like I said if you think Bliss is redundant with Vappy there then you could use the 6th Spot as an Electric Resist. Something like Electivire, Donphan, Mamoswine will do the job nicely.
 
Blissey takes Thunder Wave nicely. Go for Goldfan's idea of Vaporeon over Swampert, giving Gengar / Heatran / Azelf / Scizor / Vaporeon / Blissey. Blissey isn't really redundant as it still helps ward of Special Attacks, which currently hurt your team, a lot!

Now I would change Blissey to an Aromatherapy Blissey. (252 Def / 40 SpA / 216 SpD, Calm). This would "free up" your worries about Thunder Wave a bit more. Let's face it, Vaporeon could take paralysis as a last resort.

Also, get rid of the Choice Band Azelf. First off all, using two Trick Pokémon isn't great, especially when their switch-ins are often the same. Sure, you are using CB and can say "Well it takes out Blissey". This may be so, but a set like Explosion / Psychic / Grass Knot / Flamethrower @ Life Orb works too. If you Trick Scarf or Band onto Blissey, do you really gain much by then Tricking it again onto the other one? No, not really, in fact you wouldn't want to run the risk of Gengar picking up a Choice Band. Sure, you lose Explosion power but you still OHKO Blissey and you aren't "as walled" by say, Bronzong and Skarmory. It also means you aren't say, set up fodder to certain things, and can late-game sweep easier.

I just think by removing Band from Azelf, and changing Blissey, and adding Vaporeon this team would improve a lot. Azelf with Life Orb could work well with Vaporeon too, with Wish.

Sorry this is a bit of a "meh" rate, I will come back tommorow and do another one for you.
 
Thnx alot Twash Man i really appreciate your comment alot :)

Azelf has been doing a good job actually, i usually don't Trick with it as i first U-Turn to scout, and U-Turn hurts alot with Choice Band. But yeah sometimes i find it being useless so i might change it's moveset abit then. But then my team becomes more SPatk orientated which means other blissey's/special walls are going to wall me.

Vaporeon is a really good idea and i think the standard 1 would do. I might change blissey's set to the set you suggested with Aromatherapy. I also might try Snorlax in the place of Blissey as it has the same purpose and can do some Psychical Damage for a change. I always had some problems with opponent's blissey's so i don't want a team full of SPatkers.

I'll consider and test your suggestions and maybe i'm wrong, thnx alot :D Are there any other people that has suggestions?
 
Noone. Special attacks really hurt this team hard. I would suggest switching swampert for a differnt physical wall. no instant recovery is a huge letdown on a pokemon like swampert. If you dont mind the sand, hippodwon does a really good job taking physical hits (I daresay better then skarmory) Relying on your bulky waters never do as good as a dedicated physical wall.
 
hippowdon is a really good idea but it doesn't beat Gyarados so vaporeon would do better. I might try both out but then again i dunno if that works out, thnx for your reply.
 
Mixed Attackers do all types of harm to your team, although it adds onto your already huge weakness to infernape, Instead of a Vaporeon, a Celebi with Thunder Wave would render most Dragon Dancing Gyarados Worthless, and this gives you another Pokemon that can get thunder waved if you need.
 
Thnx for your reply Lovely. Celebi is a really good idea and it goes with Vaporeon, i'll try it out thnx alot!

I was also thinking for Porygon-2 since it's a really good Gyarados counter and it can somewhat take a hit or 2 and it has Recover. Azelf might go as it doesn't do much and i can use anther good, less fragile pyschical sweeper in it's place.
 
Personally I'd go with Twash's Idea. Use Blissey as an Aromatherapist so that it clears up your thunder wave troubles, seeing as you're not really throwing status around yourself. Then use Vappy as your wish passer. SO you have a "physical wall" in Vaporeon who isnt a dedicated physical wall but gets a lot of jobs done for you, and you have the special wall in blissey who is then doing a completely different job no. Armatherapy, softboiled, Flamethrower / Ice Beam / Seismic Toss / Thunderbolt will do the Job nicely IMO, allowing you more le-room to play with status and such like. With status nmo longer being an issue you can proceed to set up your central strategy to sweep with scizor.

I do also take issue with the two choicers, why not completely scar azelf for something that can support Scizor better such as Deoxys E who can take out Gyarados and severly weaken heatran, never mind getting the jump on standard Rain Dance Kingdra (= 2 Dragon Dances on Standard Kingdra) Deoxys will clear the route of these threas allowing scizor to sweep more throughly. Have you tried testing the AromaBliss out?
 
Kind off but i got owned by Dugtrio lol. Just once tho it does a fine job. I tried it with Vaporeon and it works. I'm also gonna try a Deoxys-E with Trick and with Choice Specs or somethin that would own, or just a normal Deoxys but im just gonna try it out.

Thnx alot for kinda bumping my thread and for the usefull advice i appreciate it alot :D
 
And how pray tell does Dugtrio Own you? Blissey will indeed get owned by Band Trio, but it still wont OHKO allowing you to get a decent hit, especially if you are running Ice Beam. DUggy won't beat Vap 1 on 1 unless its about to Die anyway so theres no need to woory about that. Scizor can Bullet Punch it, sure Scarf Duggy can kill Heatran, but Scarf Duggy isn't doing shit to the rest of your team. I've seen teams that are a lot more Dugtrio weak, and TBH Duggy isnt even that common at the moment because of all the stuff that can set up on it, scizor / Salamence / Gyarados etc will all own a team if they come in after an EQ. I don't see what the Duggy issue is lol.
 
Since this is actually a WiFi team i tested n Shoddy and since i don't have another nature of Heatran i had to go with Modest. Maybe i can get another 1 :P
 
I think you keep failing to Gyarados and Salamence because they almost always carry DD.

What they can do is switch into a choiced move they resist and get a free DD while you switch out or if you're foolish, staying in.

Unless you are god and can predict the future I doubt that using 2 choice trickers are going to be as effective as you believe. I don't think you'd like a Bronzong to trick your azelfs choice band onto your Gengar or bliss now would you?
 
You really have no switch into Salamence/Gyarados. Or really any stat uper to be honest. I would probably try a Scarf Trick Azelf, just in case you have to trick a Scarf onto a once DD'd Gyara/Salamence. You could even run a Hasty Heatran with HP Ice/Electric and Explosion so you outspeed non jolly Gyarados's and Salamence. A vaporeon could fit over your Swampert, and provide you a good switch in into Salamence and Gyarados. If worse comes to worse a Porygon-2 can be used, but than you have a fighting weakness, and would probably have to change your Blissey to like a Bronzong, or a Cresselia. Which actually could work out well. What ever works best for you though.
 
omg so many replys thnx alot people i really appreciate it :D

@Goldfan: Dugtrio screwed over my blissey, i couldnt switch and i had no ice beam ;o; but then i revenge killed it with scizor so lol.

@Infamous: Your right, but i don't completly suck at predicting luckily but yes those 2 gives me alot of trouble. I might Azelf with Choice Scarf then.

@Son Of Thunder: The Scar Azelf is a great idea and all of your points are right. Thnx alot for you comments it really helps me.

I'll try to make these changes and battle some more, hopefully later this day i can make the changes here. Also with Swampert gone my team is a bit Ttar weak, but i guess i can still own it.
 
You have 3 other ice moves so I'd go with protect on vappy. It saved me lots of times. You can scout, or if you have no room to wish, leftovers can get you back to where you could survive another hit. Maybe t-wave on bliss since you might want to stop pokes from setting up on you.

Hope I helped o.O :p
 
thnx you did. You had some points and i'll take it in consideration, im just curious what the others said. Keep the comments coming pls!
 
Heatran is fine unless you could afford to miss by changing flamethrower to fire blast. Azelf should have thunderpunch.

1. You have a tricker.
2. By getting rid of choice band, your moves won't do as much
 
Hmm, if it keeps modest, explosions power will be limited. I need to find another nature and i dunno what, the team is soing gr8 with you guys help but i need some more help!!
 
Thnx for your reaction, Pory :D

IF i use Timid, the ATK will still be negative nature. Maybe hasty or naive or rash i dunno whats the best to use? Also, Azelf lost ALOT of power just because i've changed it to a Scarf 1. And 3 scarfers means no really STRONG power to threat the opponent. So what can i do >_<
 
Make the Azelf a Trick, and the Gengar either mixed or Standard. Then put SR on Azelf, and Explosion and make that your lead, thus giving your Stealth rock as well.
 
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