A Quick 5th Gen Team

DJMonty

I just threw this team together in the space of a few minutes, rate it please.

Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Recover
- Dragon Pulse

Latias is a nice and bulky Pokemon, and pretty fast, too. Calm Mind boosts the Spec Def, and Spec Atk, adding bulk, and making her more viable as an attacker. Recover is obviously for recovery, HP Fire for coverage, and Dragon Pulse for STAB.

Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Vacuum Wave
- Dark Pulse
- Aura Sphere
- Nasty Plot

Lucario is here to counter Latias' weaknesses, and he's a good special attacker, so that's a plus. His Nasty Plot set is fairly good, and Vacuum Wave can take Terrakion and Excadrill out, Aura Sphere is a great STAB, Dark Pulse is good for coverage, and Nasty Plot is essential for raising Spec Atk.

Ferrothorn (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/172 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock

I ran this Ferro set a while back, when Garchomp was still OU. Standard Ferro set, but Rocky Helmet is there because I played it against a Garchomp, Ferro walled him, and after two hits, Chomp had fainted from the Iron Barbs/Rocky Helmet combo.

Infernape (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk/252 SAtk/4 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Overheat
- Flare Blitz
- Fake Out
- Close Combat

Infernape is a great special attacker, and pretty fast, too. Flare Blitz is coupled with Overheat, because if one runs out of PP, or drops make them useless, Blaze is useless. Fake Out for priority and Flinch, Close Combat for a decent STAB.

Floatzel (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Aqua Tail
- Ice Punch
- Crunch

Floatzel is here as a Physical Attacker. Lots of people run rain teams, and Floatzel is a beast in rain. He's amazingly fast, which Swift Swim boosts, and he can hit a load.

Uxie @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Def/4SAtk/252 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Toxic
- Calm Mind
- Protect
- Psychic

Uxie is on the team as a Wall, and a Toxic Staller. Psychic is there so he's not Taunt bait, Calm Mind for the SDef boost, Toxic is a must on a Toxic staller, and Protect is to stall it out slightly longer. Uxie also covers the weaknesses to Fighting and Ground.
 
Hello there, DJMonty.
I see your team has some flaws. For example, your team is almost entirely formed by sweepers. Your only wall is Ferrothorn. I suggest you include another wall, moreover a special wall. Viable options would be Gastrodon or the infamous Jellicent. My option would be Gastrodon as you have a pretty good weakness against Thundurus, as 3 of your pokemon are weak to Fighting and almost you entire team is weak against a nasty plot set. You are also weak to some Terrakion and Excadrill variants.

The other thing I see is off is that some pokemon have movesets which don't really fit. Hydreigon can be a mixed sweeper, yes, but its true potencial resides on the special spectrum. And, for example, if you're running a Life Orb set on your Latios, Recovery is a must to ensure survability. Try to make pure special/physical sweepers, because not all pokemon are fit to be mixed sweepers.

There are some changes to made. You can't just throw some pokemon you like together and expect them to work. You have to test the team, look at their weaknesses and try to find some good combinations. Only then your team will be effective (:
 
DJMonty said:
I just threw this team together in the space of a few minutes, rate it please.
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If you don't care enough about your team to test it out before putting it on the RMT thread, and have only spent a few minutes putting it together, why should anyone care/bother to rate it?
 
@Puking Rainbows: Thanks for the input. I've replaced Latios with Latias, as she's far more bulky, and a +2 Vacuum Wave from Lucario should take Excadrill and Terrakion. I've redone Hydreigon's moveset, and the comment about Latios is no longer relevant, as I've replaced him.

@Blarajan: I was testing it at the time of posting, and I'm currently trying my team out against some Pokemon I think could be threats. People should rate it because I said please.
 
Instead of posting saying you wont rate, just dont post. As he said he is currently in testing, he posted this team after he made it for suggestions while he tested it, in the hope of making it slightly easier. He made it in a few minutes? well if thats the case he obviously needs help with team building techniques, so instead of critesizing, actually do what your supposed to on the RMT and try to help.

As of me, your team does have some obvious flaws, with both poke's and movesets, however I have already suggested a new group of movesets for you and seems like your putting them to good use.

Your weakness to Terrakion & Exca is now nicely covered by Lucario, although thundurus and generic fighting types can give your team problems. Evo chansey fits in your team quite nicely, being able to act as a special wall to complement your physical wall, ferrothorn. To avoid giving yourself another fighting weakness, I would take out Hydreigon for Chansey as he looks like the weak link.

For your fighting type weakness, you could swap ferrothorn for skarmory, as he has better synergy with chansey. Since you will want Skarm to set spikes, you might want to give your Infernape a sash and swap fake out for rocks as he is a decent rock setter, giving you additional hazards, and also making WW phazing more effective.

I'll look into your team with more detail later on and PM you sets etc. Good Luck!
 
lol dude you got alot to learn before getting into fights with people when you only got 8 posts. Also you are gettin mad at us for not doin what we are supposed to on the Rmt well this dude first off needs to test his team BEFORE he posts his so that we dont have to waste our time telling him the obvious mistakes on the team and next he also should make his descriptioins a little longer because a mod might lock it. So before telling US what we should and should not be doing why don't you tell the guy who made this team.


and since you thre a big fit about it i will rate just so you stop your cryin


Latias-personally there are many arguements over which is more reliable lati@s or latios and if your going with calm mind (a more offensive option) then i would prefer latios however that is just my opinion because i feel like lati@s is more defensive and latios is more offensive so if ya want an offensive poke there i recommend latios.



Also i see lucario with two fighting move (which is fine but too be honest i would prefer extra type coverage and go with hidden power ice just to take out things like gliscor, dragons and such as all of them are common in todays metagame



On infernape first off i really dislike the repeating types (fighting) unless its steel because steel has so many immunities but anyways also you invest fully into his special attack but infernape has 3 physical attacks it seems like a waste to invest 252 evs into special attack just for one attack that uses it. i think replacing him with maybe someone like thundurous might work (thundurous also provides a good rain counter which i will talk about on floatzel.)



If you choose to do so here is the thundurous set:
Thundurous
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Taunt
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe



Floatzel-Honestly you say its a rain counter because of swift swim but i just don't see it countering many rany teams with the given moveset. It really will have a hard time countering things like toxicroak (which is probably the second most common poke on a rain team. Third if you count politoed (thundurous is prolly first) If you want a swift swim counter maybe run a kingdra with either a sub physical attacker set or a rest talk physical attacker set. Here are the two sets:


Kingdra @ Lum berry
Nature: Impish or Careful
Ability: Swift Swim
252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD or 252 HP/6 Def/252 SpD
~Dragon dance
~Rest
~Waterfall
~Outrage

Or

Kingdra @ Life Orb
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
Ability: Swift Swim
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
~Dragon Dance
~Waterfall
~Outrage
~Substitute


Both can be pretty good depending on how you use them.


Uxie-I feel like there are better toxistallers out there then uxie plus this whole set is useless on the many steel types in this metagame have you thought of running a toxi stall gliscor or a will-o-wisp stall sigilyph?

Here are the two sets in case you want them:

Gliscor
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Taunt
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Earthquake
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe

Or

Sigilyph
name: Cosmic Power
move 1: Cosmic Power
move 2: Stored Power
move 3: Roost
move 4: Psycho Shift
item: Flame Orb
ability: Magic Guard
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def/ 56 Spe

These are just some of the things i found work for my playstyle of battle again people can recommend things that might not work for you because it doesn't go with your playstyle but hey thats just how it is.
 
I wasnt getting into a fight, and nor was I "Having a fit" or "Crying" I didn't throw any insults, I was stating just to use the RMT as you should... theres no point in posting ON an RMT if you can't help... unfortunately this post makes me appear to be a hypocrite since im not rating with this post... although I already have so yeah ^^;

Besides, the number of posts means nothing, im a serebii user, I just post my teams both here and on Serebii so I can get more responses, thus hopefully improving my teams further... besides most people on serebii dont give very good rates unfortunately, theres only a handfull who do.
 
Battler3797 said:
Uxie-I feel like there are better toxistallers out there then uxie plus this whole set is useless on the many steel types in this metagame have you thought of running a toxi stall gliscor or a will-o-wisp stall sigilyph?

Here are the two sets in case you want them:

Gliscor
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Taunt
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Earthquake
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe

Or

Sigilyph
name: Cosmic Power
move 1: Cosmic Power
move 2: Stored Power
move 3: Roost
move 4: Psycho Shift
item: Flame Orb
ability: Magic Guard
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 200 Def/ 56 Spe

These are just some of the things i found work for my playstyle of battle again people can recommend things that might not work for you because it doesn't go with your playstyle but hey thats just how it is.
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Thanks for the recommendations about Uxie, but I think I'll stick with it. Swapping to Gliscor or Sigilyph would mean I'm losing a Hell of a lot of Special Defence, which I just can't afford to do on this team.
 
Uxie is a beast, great choice. In the past I've run it as more of a general annoyer, with a set of Trick|u-turn|Heal Bell|Yawn Run it with choice scarf.

Theory is, trick a scarf to a wall. Try and predict the switch to a wall so it doesn't look to obvious when you switch Uxie into a wall. Opponent will know straight away. Once you have tricked the scarf, yawn and u-turn allow you to phase out any threats, u-turn to cause (minor) damage and keep momentum. This is fantastic against DDnite as u-turn breaks multiscale and allows you to KO easier next time he comes in.
 
hi. this is a pretty decent team, although uxie and floatzel are definitely the weak links on this team. it seems like you are trying to work towards a sweep with either nasty plot lucario or calm mind latias. currently, i think your team isnt doing the best to support either of these pkmn in their sweeping attempts and i would like to suggest a few changes in order to increase the chances of you pulling off a successful sweep.

my first suggestion would be u-turn > fake out on infernape. u-turn is great at scouting and racking up entry hazard damage, although thats not the reason i want to suggest it. a common counter to nasty plot lucario is latios, who is faster and resists vacuum wave. u-turn infernape is able to lure latios in and deal around 70% meaning its not going to be able to stop a lucario sweep anymore.

my second suggestion would be a mew > uxie. you say you didnt want to replace uxie as 'you'd be losing a lot of special defense', so i am going to suggest a specially defensive taunt+wow mew > your uxie.

mew @ leftovers
calm | synchronise
252 hp / 200 sdef / 56 spe
taunt / will-o-wisp / ice beam / roost

what mew adds to your team is something to help both latias and lucario sweep, as well as replacing uxie as the "staller". mew can threaten a lot of stall teams with taunt and will-o-wisp and can draw in a number of threats to lucario and latias and weaken them. for example gliscor will switch in to dodge burn and not take much from psychic to be koed by ice beam and tyranitar will switch in and get burned by a will-o-wisp letting latias recover stall all non dd/cb versions.

finally, i think floatzel would best be replaced for a rotom-w, to help against your pretty huge issues with excadrill and friends, as well as still being an annoyance to rain. heres the set:

rotom-w @ leftovers
bold | levitate
252 hp / 244 def / 12 spe
will-o-wisp / volt switch / hydro pump / pain split

use relaxed on ferrothorn to increase gyro ball's power. thats all. good luck!
 
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