A regular OU team

jules

i am new to smogon, and i want to aadd a team that i have been using for a while. This team is very succesful on shoddy and i am proud of my accomplishment. so viola

At A Glance
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The Lead
Metagross @ Occa Berry
252 hp/236 atk/20 speed
Adamant
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Bullet Punch
-Meteor Mash

A lead Metagross with extra speed EV's to surprise opponents as to why my meta is faster than thiers. Stealth rock for obvious reasons, and bullet punch to get the upper hand on other leads like Ninjask and Aerodactyl. Earthquake and meteormash are moves that he would use when he is saved for later in the game, earthquake for electrics and rocks, and meteor mash for any other pokemon that i feel i wont have to take out latias for. Occa berry helps when fighting infernape so that his fireblast can not OHKO with life orb. Adamant nature was to get more bang for his buck.


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Special Wall
Snorlax @ leftovers
252hp/ 4 def/ 252 spdef
Thick Fat
Careful
-Curse
-Body slam
-Rest
-Fire Punch

A curse/rest snorlax that would boost his stats while sleeping, and could also get a useful paralysis with body slam. You may be thinking wow i could easily wall him. Well with curse, im hoping i could get enough boosts to stop physical sweepers and swords dancers to set up on him, and steels to stop laughing in his face. i could protect my self with rest and after a few curses body slam and fire punch will soon turn into a very strong attack. the ev's help him do his job as a special sweeper and to increase his durability

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Special Sweeper
Latias @ choice specs
4hp/ 252 spa/252speed
modest
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunder Bolt
-Surf
-Trick

A trick lati essentially owning all of the competition, then when someone like blissey comes, you switch out or you use trick to cripple it. I chose dragon pulse over draco meteor because i would be hitting the same type with draco meteor, however i would lose my SpA. I thought i would not need that extra power to take out steels. I chose thunderbolt to gain more type coverage on bulky waters and flying types. Surf was for coverage on fire types and most notably t-tar. the EV allow it to be as fast as it can be and as strong as it can be.

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Revenge Killer
Scizor@choice band
nature: adamant
EVs: 248 HP\ 252 Atk\ 8 Spe
-bullet punch
-pursuit
-superpower
-u-turn

By Haunter
Scizor adds a needed revenge killer to your team and allows you to keep in check DD Salamence, which currently may open massive holes in your team after a DD. I don't really think that you need a spinner, having no SR weak and only one Pokemon weak to TS. Pursuit helps with Latias and Gengar.
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A revenge killer scizor that could litterlaly punch holes into the opponents team. He takes out T-tar and destroys most of his common switch ins when the right move is used. By using pursuit he can help my team beneficially.

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Wish Passer
Vaporeon @ leftovers
188 hp/ 252 def/68 spA
Bold
-Wish
-Protect
-HP Elec
-Surf

A wish poreon because i needed a way to heal my pokemon like latias who have no recovery move. Protect was to scout out for choice attackers and to protect himself while he gains the boons of wish. Hp Elec ws to help with my problem of Gyarados. it can also help against opposing water types that try to switch in on him and use hp elec. Surf helps take out any infernapes or heatran or something that are either the last poke's left or fell that they are brave. The given EV help it retain its bulk defensivly and hp wise while also increasing his SPA increasing the damage out put of HP and surf.

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The Physical Wall
Regirock @ leftovers
252 hp/4 atk/252 spdef
careful
-curse
-drain punch
-fire punch
-rock slide

A curse rock set that allows him to partially heal himself with drain punch, and to boost his attack and defensive abilities with curse. Fire punch makes up for my lack of a decent grass counter (like breloom) and with a few curses can easily take out metagross and skarmory. Rock slide was chosen over earthquake and stone edge for accuracy, chance to hit dragons, flinch rate, and pp.
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Thank you, please comment and rate. woo hoo!
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Final Glance
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On Regirock go for Stone edge >> Rock slide. You need to cover your big Starmie weakness. With Grass knot, T-Bolt, Ice beam, and surf some Starmie can just shuffle through your whole team. I'd say switch out Latias or if you rlly need him switch Vappy or Regirock for a Rotom-H like this:

Rotom-H @ Choice specs
Timid nature
EV: 252 Sp.Atk 252 Speed

Shadow ball
Thunderbolt
Overheat
Trick

This would help you to wall most Starmies cuz most Starmies dont run Psychic nowdays.

Enjoy your time with the team ;)!
 
I see as problem with ghosts, here. Especially Rotom and T-Bolt Gengar.

Replacing Regirock with Rotom-H as suggested is a good idea, I think, but then you'll have two Trick Scarfers. This would mean you should change Latias to a Calm Mind version.
 
Snorlax: How it can ever beat Ghosts? Or even Steel and Rock types. Snorlax can use the Curse set and the RestTalk set, but it should never use both together because Normal attacks by themselves aren't very good. It should have Body Slam + Fire Punch or Body Slam + Crunch. You can use Body Slam + Earthquake too, but only if you have a Pursuiter to take out Ghosts (you don't have one).

Latias: In order to be an effective revenge killer, Latias needs Choice Scarf and probably a Timid Nature. Otherwise, you're too slow to outrun Choice Scarf Flygon, or Gyarados, Salamence, or Kingdras who have already used Dragon Dance.

Vaporeon: Need HP Electric over Grass. No one uses Gastrodon and Swampert takes plenty of damage from Surf. You need Electric for Gyarados. Besides, with only a Grass attack and an Ice attack, how can you ever beat Fire types? A Vaporeon that gets beaten by a Fire Pokemon is just embarassing. Give it Surf + HP Electric, or Surf + Ice Beam, but it should always have Surf.

Blastoise: Bad moveset. Yawn and Toxic are both good choices, but not on the same set. If something is poisoned, it can't be put to sleep. If something is put to sleep, it can't be poisoned. Body Slam is just bad. It only paralyzes 30% of the time and you don't gain STAB unlike Snorlax. Plus, you can't paralyze something that's poisoned or asleep.

Anyways, Blastoise doesn't really fit on this team. With Vaporeon, you already have a bulky Water type. Blastoise is only good for Rapid Spinning. Forretress can take Blastoise's place, since it also has great Defense, but it can also learn Toxic Spikes and Spikes. So it works as both a physical wall and a utility Pokemon all in one.

Regirock: If you want to use Regirock, you need Sandstorm to increase its Special Defense. Otherwise, you're not using it to its full potential. Either way, Curse Regirock always needs Rest. Otherwise, how can you cure yourself of Burn or Poison or heal yourself when you're low on health?

Now, two Pokemon that give you trouble are Lucario and Scizor. Lucario can easily sweep you with Close Combat and Extremespeed. Scizor weakens your team with constant U-Turns then finishes you off with Bullet Punch or Superpower.
This is why Choice Scarf Rotom-H instead of Regirock will give you protection against both and act as a spin blocker as well.
 
im okay with rotom-h being switched with regirock, however i would like to add the standard CM espeon set.
-what moveset should the rotom h have
-can i add the CM espeon
 
Yeah, definitely Lucario and Scizor give you massive troubles. If you don't want to add Rotom, then I'd suggest to switch Regirock for Gliscor:

Gliscor@leftovers
nature: jolly
EVs: 252 HP\ 40 Def\ 216 Spe
-earthquake
-roost
-taunt
-u-turn

I'm suggesting Gliscor mainly for TTar, as a DD TTar may really give you troubles, and Rotom is murdered by crunch. Gliscor also keeps in check both Lucario and Scizor. It also helps you dealing with stall teams thanks to taunt and u-turn.

And yes, Aragornbird is right on your Vaporeon: it's your best Gyarados counter and hence you need either hp electric on it or roar (to deal with taunt-less Gyara and other stat uppers like cro-Cune).

Also, since you're going to replace Blastoise, I'd suggest to use Scizor in that spot:

Scizor@choice band
nature: adamant
EVs: 248 HP\ 252 Atk\ 8 Spe
-bullet punch
-pursuit
-superpower
-u-turn

Scizor adds a needed revenge killer to your team and allows you to keep in check DD Salamence, which currently may open massive holes in your team after a DD. I don't really think that you need a spinner, having no SR weak and only one Pokemon weak to TS. Pursuit helps with Latias and Gengar.

Speaking of Snorlax, I'd suggest fire punch on it over sleep talk. After a few curses you won't have to worry about your defence and will be able to take on even stab physical hits anyway (just beware of fighting attacks, but you'll have Glsicor for that). Fire punch helps with steel types like Scizor, which otherwise completely wall you.

Finally, don't waste your time with Espeon, as it's laregely outclassed by Latias in OU, and you don't need another psychic type in this team.
 
ty haunter for a second i thought you were going to lock my team lol. Thanks for the scizor set im going to try it out on shoddy now. However i have chosen to use the rotom, however which set would you reccomend?
 
jules said:
ty haunter for a second i thought you were going to lock my team lol. Thanks for the scizor set im going to try it out on shoddy now. However i have chosen to use the rotom, however which set would you reccomend?
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Lol. Well, if you're going to use Rotom, then you may want to try a set of: Will-O-Wisp\thunderbolt\shadow ball\reflect and an EV spread of 252 HP / 44 SpA / 212 Spe and a timid nature. W-o-W will discourage things like TTar from setting up on you, and with max HP you still retain a decent bulk. The speed EVs allow you to outspeed max Spe adamant Lucario. Reflect can help Snorlax to set up a little easier and is an excellent support move in general. You might also use discharge if you feel lucky.

Alternately, you can go with the scarf variant: trick\thunderbolt\shadow ball\overheat with a timid nature and an EV spread of: 252 HP\ 4 Spa\ 252 Spe. But this way you'll be very vulnerable to pursuit users like TTar and Scizor itself (especially when locked into shadow ball).
 
At this point, with great RMT'rs beating me to the rate, they could have only left a few things I might want to suggest. First, I suggest that you make the changes they suggest to your team and edit your RMT and fill in these spots to make it easier for people to rate the team as it is now. Second, I do have a suggestion about Metagross. Using the set you use now, Metagross is going to (a) be severely lacking in power since Metagross is pretty good at sticking around the rest of the game. (b) You are going to lose to Azelf and Mamoswine leads using Ice Punch, whereas with Meteor Mash, and the rest of the set is fine mind you, there will only be 3 leads standing in your way (Swampert, Hippowdon, ShucaTran, but perhaps rare LO Starmie lead). One thing, if you cannot take out Azelf and Mamoswine, they will probably stay in to (Azelf) explode or use their powerful Ice Shard and Earthquake, and even Superpower (Mamoswine). However, with changes in your team by the expert suggestion of my predecessors up there, those leads will only manage to beat your lead. I'm only stressing Metagross has more potential using his STAB Meteor Mash instead of using Ice Punch for situational things like Gliscor (who he will still not OHKO anyway), the popular OU dragons (which Meteor Mash will still decimate), and Celebi.

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The Lead
Metagross @ Occa Berry
252 hp/236 atk/20 speed
Adamant
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Bullet Punch
-Meteor Mash
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First, definetely change Ice Punch to Meteor Mash on lead gross. Ice Punch doesn't hit any common leads and Meteor Mash is almost a must-have on all Metagross.

Next, I don't think Regirock really belongs in any OU teams. You can replace him with CurseTar but I honestly think DDTar would do a better job of covering some of the weakness' this team has. I'd also go with babiri berry as the item. Scizor honestly gives you a lot of trouble, and Babiri Berry will eliminate any Scizor that tries to revenge your DDTar while he's setting up. After that Tar will have a much easier time sweeping. But this shouldn't be your only way of defeating Scizor. Currently nobody on your team handles him properly, Blastoise and Vaporeon just eat U-turn after U-turn, Snorlax is KO'd by a CB Superpower and Latias has many ways of being revenge killed by Scizor. I think changing Blastoise to a Rotom-H with Choice Scarf and Trick / Overheat / Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball will help this team out a lot. It helps beat Scizor and revenge kill Pokemon such as DD Gyara. Trick also gives you another way of beating stall.

Lastly, for CurseLax I suggest changing Sleep Talk to Fire Punch so that he isn't totally walled by ghosts, and on Vaporeon changing HP Grass and Ice Beam to HP Electric and Surf gives you much better coverage and lets her handle Gyarados like she's supposed to.
 
wow thanks alot of rates while i was gone so...

Haunter- thanks, im going to go for the first rotom set, also why does it have to be heat rotom if he does not use overheat. Just a question

Dark Cyber Elf- sorry man i have been really busy as i have typed all that stuff except for this one and the first one on a cell phone, while i was in albany. I will try to do it know

Locopoke- yes thankyou i will change metagross to meteor mash

EDIT: also haunter what nature and item for rotom
 
It doesn't have to be the heat forme. You have to use Rotom-H only if using overheat, otherwise feel free to use the forme you like. Some people use the heat forme just to bluff overheat against the likes of Metagross and Forretress, but the choice of the forme is up to preference.
 
Anyway, in addition to the sets for rotom already posted, why not try this one?

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Speed
~Thunderbolt/Discharge
~Shadow Ball/HP Fighting
~Reflect
~Will-O-Wisp

The first move is really a mattter of preference: Thunderbolt has higher attack power while Discharge has a better paralysis rate.
Shadow Ball is used for secondary STAB, and an occaisional Sp.Def drop always helps.
HP Fighting is to help against Heatran.
Reflect is to aid in the defensive capabilities of Rotom-H, and will-O-wisp is a great Tyranitar stopper.
 
Hi.

After looking at your team, the first issue I noticed was the gigantic fighting weakness. Two of your Pokemon have a x2 fighting weakness, and your team can be completely sweeped by a SD Lucario or CB Scizor.

Now, most people will tell you that Gliscor is better than Weezing. While this might have some validity behind it, Weezing has one huge advantage over Gliscor: it isn't weak against Ice attacks. Many SD Lucario carry Ice Punch to combat Gliscor, and for good reason. However, with Weezing, not only will he assure you coverage against Lucario and Scizor, but he's also one of the best fighting counters out there.

So, my main suggestion is to swap out your Regirock (having x2 Curse users on one team is bad) for a Weezing. Specifically, this set:

Weezing @ Leftovers
EV's: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpA
Nature: Bold
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

The reasoning behind having Flamethrower instead of Fire Blast is due to the shaky accuracy of Fire Blast. Not only this, but you aren't looking to sweep with Weezing - you're looking to take physical attacks. Weezing can't take a special hit, which is why Snorlax + Weezing synergizes well. Thunderbolt is for hitting Gyarados, and Pain Split is for recovery. Again, another weakness of Weezing is that he doesn't have an instant recovery move, something that Gliscor cherishes. However, being a Weezing user myself, I can vouch that Weezing is one of the most viable physical walls I've ever used. Not only can he take hits like a pro, but NOBODY is expecting to see Weezing in OU. The surprise factor does in fact add in, however you'll see that the higher ranking you have, the better users start to know Weezing better.

However, if you don't care for Weezing or Gliscor, you could also try Rotom-H. Rotom-H is Ghost type, which synergizes well with your Snorlax (yay). Also, Rotom-H hits harder than Weezing and can score certain OHKO's Weezing is not able to score. However, it's weak to Dark attacks, which is pesky.

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
252 HP/168 Def/88 Speed
- Thunderbolt/Discharge
- Shadow Ball/HP Fighting
- Overheat
- Will-O-Wisp

Thunderbolt or Discharge is pure preference, whether you want more damage (Thunderbolt) or paralysis (Discharge). If you don't opt for Earthquake with Snorlax, take HP fighting over Shadow Ball. Although Shadow Ball gives a nice SpDef drop and STAB, HP Fighting is nice to hit steels with. You could always just outstall Heatran with STAB Body Slams from Snorlax and keep Shadow Ball, but it isn't a huge deal. Overheat gets rid of Scizor and Lucario, however, you need to be careful for a boosted Crunch from an SD Lucario, which shows the advantage of using Weezing. Will-O-Wisp helps stop Tyranitar, but again: many Tyranitar pack Crunch and/or Pursuit. Weezing also learns Will-O-Wisp, so if you do decide to take one of these Pokemon, you'll have it either way.

If you really don't like Weezing or Rotom-H, you can try out Gliscor. Gliscor is faster than both, and has an instant recovery move to boot. He can take in Electric attacks aimed at Vaporeon, and Vaporeon can take Water and Ice attacks aimed at him. Vaporeon's high special defense stat also allows him to take special attacks aimed at Gliscor better, which further shows the fantastic synergy between the two! :D

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Nature: Jolly
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Taunt
- Stone Edge/U-Turn

You'll outspeed most Lucario (with the exception of the rare scarfed one) and will be able to prevent it from setting up. You can also stop DD Ttar and DD Gyara from setting up, but you need to be careful of Ice Fang on Gyara. Earthquake gets rid of Lucario and Ttar, Roost is for instant recovery.The last move is preferance. However, I suggest Stone Edge or U-Turn. Stone Edge lets you deal with Zapdos, Gyarados, and Salamence. However, U-Turn is nice for on-the-go damage.

With Snorlax, you're going to want to change his moveset. Rather than Fire Punch and Body Slam, take Crunch and Body Slam. You can also opt for Body Slam + Earthquake if you want to eliminate Heatran and other steels quicker. Body Slam is for everything else, plus it offers STAB and a %30 chance of paralysis. You're also going to want to change his EV spread to 168 HP/120 Def/220 Special Def. 120 Def lets you survive weaker physical attacks in addition to the occasional Flare Blitz w/ Thick Fat. It might not be much, but it's much more comforting to be able to survive those weaker hits and Curse up easier. Again, I also happen to use a Curselax on my main team, so this is coming from experience.

I'll add more to this rate later. I'm tired and going to bed.
 
wow thanks for the info guys. im not sure who to go with now because of giggledrops post (thanks btw) it is between weezing or rotom. however one has a nice x0 damage to fighting while the other has a x2 resistance (i think) to fighting and can survive dark attacks. Help please. which would you prefer
 
jules said:
wow thanks for the info guys. im not sure who to go with now because of giggledrops post (thanks btw) it is between weezing or rotom. however one has a nice x0 damage to fighting while the other has a x2 resistance (i think) to fighting and can survive dark attacks. Help please. which would you prefer
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Leave Weezing to UU, the Rotom appliances are far superior, and btw, if you have read Weezing's analysis, you would have no doubt of Weezing's failures in OU due to the presence of Heatran. I would have to definitely emphasize the use of Scarf Rotom-H, as otherwise DD Gyarados and SD Lucario will be having a field day with your team, with many oppurtunities to set up.

Rotom > Regirock

Rotom @ Choice Scarf - Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moves:
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Overheat
- Trick

I put no other move options as this is usually the most successful set. An HP (Hidden Power) has been found to be lacking in power, and most of the things you would be using in the last slot won't have enough power to do anything. Trick, once you know your opponent's team, can really mess up their strategy.

The rest of your team is well, hard to determine any changes that haven't already been mentioned. Try your hand at Curselax using Crunch (locopoke mentioned this), as Snorlax is noticeably your only answer to other Ghosts (but Scarf Rotom if added will also do this). I also agree with what Locopoke said about DD Tyranitar, as he would find a nice place on your team, quickly escalating your team's momentum and offensiveness contrary to the way Curselax plays.

One last thing, I just realized that Rotom's presence on your team is integral to defeat a large threat named Breloom. You have no status absorber other than Snorlax, and Breloom would just love to set up on Snorlax. Rotom would be your only answer to what I listed above, so fill him in for Regirock!
 
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