A "Very High and Defensive Counter Team" Rmt. JK,Bulky offence.

Haha I love the title if you know who Wilmer is then you will get it. Well This is an OU RMt that I have had a lot of fun making. The team is a bulky offense based on a CM Latias sweep late game. You may notice my tough core of 4 pokemon that is very effective. Every single team member is important to the team but I still am very weak to some threats thier is 1 that I absolutley CANNOT beat as it can own my team. Well let's get into the RMT now :).

EARLY LOOK AT THE TEAM



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Main Sweeper.


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I chose Latias because she is very bulky and fast and is a tank virtually. I really had trouble with this set on my former teams so I said what the hey I should build a team around it.​


THE CORE


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This is my 4 man core or "mon" core. They resist or are immune to 16 types. The only they don't resist is rock. I just started off with my fave defensive walll Slowbro and built a core around it.​



THE GLUE



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MY glue to the team. Later in the RMT you will se why he is "glue and puts the team together.​

The Team

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Latias (F) @ Leftovers​
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 188 HP / 68 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Fire]


This is my version of CM Latias. As you can see I took some HP EVs and put them in Sp att to add that little bit of extra "oomph". The moveset as you can see is very strange too. I like the sub version but it was easily walled by Steel types which thier is a plethora of in OU. I decided to put a twist I noticed that Latias' sweep were commonly cut shory by status or leech seed so that is why thier is substitute. This set can come in on walls like Ferrothorn and prosceed to set up late game and sweep. Roost was a waste of a move slot in my opinion as I always found status cutting my sweep short. Hidden power fire is for NAILING steel types after 2 or 3 Cms. You should try it out it catches player off guard because they don't commonly see substitute on Latias. I mostly send her in late game to finish up and some times she can sweep without a CM. Biggest threats: Heatran, Tyranitar, reuniclus. MY next Pokemon can take care of them pretty well though. Latias is also my only rotom-w counter so I need her or I have a hard time switching in on it.



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Landorus (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Substitute
- Smack Down
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ice]

I really love this set. The main reason that I have landorus is to take care of Latias' counter mainly Heatran and tyranitar. Alright I'll tell ya how this set works. Come in and sub up, If you are predicting a flying pokemon like skarmory use smack down and then prosceed to earthquake up :). Hidden power is for that annoying gliscor that comes in every once in a while. Hidden Power Ice does 82.14%-97.18% which after stealth rocks it has a chance to OHKO. When people see Landorus they always assume that he is scarfed especially when they see a Tyranitar in the Team Preview. The Evs are pretty much straight-forward maximise speed and raiase attack. Naive to lower Sp def and raise speed. Like I said he is pretty important in the core to take electric moves and to kill all of latias' counters. A sand force Earthquake to 252 Hp 252 def skarmory does 70%-86% just to give you a little peek at how powerful landorus is.


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Slowbro (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Slack Off
- Psychic
- Scald
- Thunder Wave

My main Physical wall on my team and might I add the best physical wall in BW OU. The thing that single handedly makes Slowbro perform so well is his awesome ability "regenerator". Not to mention he has base 110 def and great HP. Slack off is for well, healing psychic is for stab and for beating Conkeldurr 1 0n 1 as Slowbro is slower than Conkeldurr so he won't get payback's secondary effect. Scald is for water stab and for possibly burning a switch in or physical attacker. For the last move I don't know what to put :/. I'm thinking about toxic and maybe replacing scald with surf since I already have a status inducing move. Slowbro's typing has much to be desired he is weak to a few big time physical threats like Tyranitar. Leftovers is just for gradual recovery not much else to post about that :/. Slowbro is pretty much self explanatory.

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Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Roar

I have used Heatran on almost all teams since BW was released. I really like the Specially defensive version of Heatran especially on BUlky offense. Surprisingly this set can actualy dish out some hits as well as take some them. I run the modest to add a little extra "oomph". Stealth Rock is for getting rocks up which I believe is very important. Earth power is mainly for opposing heatrans and Ninetails when i come in on a Flash Fire Fire move. Fire Blast is for STAB damage. Usualy I am Flamethrower>Fire Blast but Heatran needs some more power. I also, run roar which is surprisingly my only counter to CM latias otherwise she sweeps me clean. Roar is also good for phazing mid game and puts a lot of pressure when SR damage adds up. Heatrans takes special hits like a BEAST. Ex: Heatran will never be OHKO at full health by 252 sp att politoed hydro pump in the rain. That is just a peak at how well he takes hits. I mainly have him to add much needed resistances to my team and to counter CM latias.


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Maytag (Rotom-W) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Pain Split
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp

Does this set look familiar? Well it should because this is Defensive Rotom from 4th gen. I decided to use it one day and it worked out really well in my favor. I'm still kind of unsure about the mechanics of pain split but I just know that it works in my favor when my health is lower than thiers. Thunderbolt is a great reliable stab move. Hydro Pump can miss some times but the reward usualy outweighs the risk. Grounds types like landorus like to switch in on Rotom and they get a nasty surprise in the form of will-o-wisp. This is my only counter to SuB DD gyarados. I know that it is not very common but when I do see it it can be very fatal if played wrong. When I see it I just spam Thunderbolt as Rotom resists both of its moves when it runs Waterfall and Bounce but when it runs Stone edge I'm fucked.


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Barney (Tyranitar) (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Atk / 184 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Superpower
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit
- Crunch

This Pokemon really is the glue to my team it patches up a HUGE weakness of rain. I mainly have him to just put wholes into teams with it's golliath attack stat. But the main reason I use him is for sandstorm. I need the sandstorm for Landorus and for Latias' Hidden power to not be neutured. He is also just a huge brute bulky force. With the sandstorm Spc Def boost he actualy become pretty specially bulky and can take hits very well. Really not much to say just standard choice band.



MAIN THREATS


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1. CM Virizion . I have absolutley NO counter​

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2. SD Lucario w/ Ice punch late game​

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3. Offensive DD Dragonite. I can take on the Bulky one no prob with Heatran​

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4. Sub DD gyarados with Stone Edge instead of bounce. I know that is is very rare but still.​


I'll post if I can think of anymore. Thanks for the rate. If it is worthy I will change :). Please no grammar lessons just rates.​
 
the easiest change in my mind is to change tyranitar to scarf with fire punch/stone edge/crunch/superpower - this deals with sd lucario and cm virizion much more reliably, as neither would probably be inclined to switch if matched one on one.

as an extra note, to deal with ddnite a lil better, you could definitely try ice beam on slowbro over twave and then psyshock over psychic - these deal with that ddnite problem and give a better shot at beating terrak and cm virizion if things go bad with ttar. conks just not that much of a threat anymore that psyshock slowbro should be enough to beat it anyway.
 
I am forced to rate this team just because of its title.

I have claimed my territory! Back off! Nobody else is allowed to rate without my permission >_<
just kidding

Anyways, solid team and solid title. Its nice that you've already identified all the threats ahead of time. Addressing Dragonite; the solution is simple, simply run Ice Beam in place of Thunder Wave on Slowbro. While your team does enjoy Thunder Wave support, it is not a necessity, as your strategy does not involve a particularly slow Pokemon. Slowbro can easily take a +1 Outrage and OHKO in return with Ice Beam provided Multi Scale is not activated. Ice Beam works similarly against DD Salamence, who, while not as common, can still wreak havoc on your team. Furthermore, Slowbro now has a better option for dealing with Landorus and Gliscor, both who could prove problematic if you don't deal with them immediately. I would also swap Tyranitar for a Choice Scarf variant to better deal with SD Lucario. Scarftar, although not as powerful, can still take out troublesome threats, such as Latias, Latios, Starmie, and Celebi, by virtue of its now higher Speed. It can now also outspeed Lucario and OHKO with Superpower. Should Lucario carry Bullet Punch instead of Extremespeed, it wont be powerful enough to take down Landorus. Both ways, Lucario is not sweeping you. The only problem perhaps is CM Reuniclus, which I will explain how to address next.

I'm not exactly sure why there's a problem with Virizion and Gyarados. CM Virizion loses 1v1 in CM wars vs Latias bar a crit. If you want some insurance, I suggest going with a CM Roar Latias instead, which also gives you a way of dealing with Reuniclus. Latias is faster and will therefore have the advantage of being able to pick a move based on its health condition. If you're low on HP, Recover, if Virizion has more boosts, CM up; if Virizion is almost dead, hit it with Dragon Pulse. Virizion has no option to Recover, has inferior Special stats, and HP Ice doesn't hit particularly hard. Dragon Pulse is only slightly outdamaged by Hidden Power Fire anyways. In fact, Hidden Power Fire is hurting your Latias more than it is helping. Yes, you have an easier time dealing with Ferrothorn, but there's already Heatran to accomplish this job. Furthermore, HP Fire forces you to run an imperfect Speed EV, which means you can't outspeed standard Choice Specs/ Life Orb Latios. Substitute is a nice innovation, but you do have Heatran to absorb Toxic and Will-O-Wisp, and Landorus to absorb Thunder Wave. If you really feel Substitute is important though, Latias can still potentially win a CM war anyways. SubDD Gyarados with Stone Edge is not common enough to be worth bothering with, as you'd be much better off trying to deal with more common variants, which Rotom-W already accomplishes.

Finally, I suggest swapping Heatran's item from Air Balloon to Leftovers. While I understand the whole paranoia with HP Ground on Volcarona, this can be easily scouted for using Protect, which by the way, should go in place of Earth Power, as Earth Power is really only good for opposing Heatran, which you can beat with Rotom-W. Using an Air Balloon Heatran to check Volcarona is incredibly dangerous. Not only do you not have a Wish passer, but no Rapid Spinner either. Entry hazards could potentially wear down Heatran throughout the course of a match, which would jeopardize its ability to check dangerous threats such as Volcarona and Latias. As well, if Volcarona Bug Buzzes Heatran on the switchin, you will be prone to HP Ground anyways, so no good is done there.

In Summary:
Ice Beam>Psychic on Slowbro
pros: check Dragonite, Salamence, better against Landorus, Gliscor
cons: lose paralysis support

Scarftar>CBTtar
pros: check SD Lucario, outspeed and KO Latias, Latios, Starmie, Celebi
cons: no longer able to beat down CM Reuniclus, not as powerful in general

CM Roar Latias>CM Substitue Latias
pros: check Reuniclus for Tyranitar, no longer hindered by imperfect Speed, wins 1v1 against CM Virizion every time
cons: no longer able to block status, although Heatran and Landorus can alleviate that issue

Leftovers/ Protect>Air Balloon/ Earth Power on Heatran
pros: Leftovers is just very important, Heatran NEEDS it to check Latias/ Latios, Protect to scout for random HP Grounds
cons: while Air Balloon is useful, you do not have a cleric or Wish support, and Heatran will be worn down very quickly, Earth Power isn't useful beyond hitting opposing Heatran

GL, and GJ with the title :)

Sets:
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Recover

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Roar

Heatran @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Protect
 
the easiest change in my mind is to change tyranitar to scarf with fire punch/stone edge/crunch/superpower - this deals with sd lucario and cm virizion much more reliably, as neither would probably be inclined to switch if matched one on one.

as an extra note, to deal with ddnite a lil better, you could definitely try ice beam on slowbro over twave and then psyshock over psychic - these deal with that ddnite problem and give a better shot at beating terrak and cm virizion if things go bad with ttar. conks just not that much of a threat anymore that psyshock slowbro should be enough to beat it anyway.
Thanks for the rate. About the Tyranitar the fire punch misses the OHKO by a long shot by over 20% if I get max damage he also looses a lot of bulk with the choice scarf set. . So I'm unsure about that. But I do Like the T-wave idea on Slowbro I will also change the psychic too.
 
as nwo pointed out, and i should have addressed this in my rate, fire punch scarftar is more of just insurance for virizion because cm latias already is a sound counter to it - scarftar more handles the sd lucario weakness you alluded to, and can revenge a lot of threats (altho this team deals with a lot of them very well through pure typing).
 
I am forced to rate this team just because of its title.

I have claimed my territory! Back off! Nobody else is allowed to rate without my permission >_<
just kidding

Anyways, solid team and solid title. Its nice that you've already identified all the threats ahead of time. Addressing Dragonite; the solution is simple, simply run Ice Beam in place of Thunder Wave on Slowbro. While your team does enjoy Thunder Wave support, it is not a necessity, as your strategy does not involve a particularly slow Pokemon. Slowbro can easily take a +1 Outrage and OHKO in return with Ice Beam provided Multi Scale is not activated. Ice Beam works similarly against DD Salamence, who, while not as common, can still wreak havoc on your team. Furthermore, Slowbro now has a better option for dealing with Landorus and Gliscor, both who could prove problematic if you don't deal with them immediately. I would also swap Tyranitar for a Choice Scarf variant to better deal with SD Lucario. Scarftar, although not as powerful, can still take out troublesome threats, such as Latias, Latios, Starmie, and Celebi, by virtue of its now higher Speed. It can now also outspeed Lucario and OHKO with Superpower. Should Lucario carry Bullet Punch instead of Extremespeed, it wont be powerful enough to take down Landorus. Both ways, Lucario is not sweeping you. The only problem perhaps is CM Reuniclus, which I will explain how to address next.

I'm not exactly sure why there's a problem with Virizion and Gyarados. CM Virizion loses 1v1 in CM wars vs Latias bar a crit. If you want some insurance, I suggest going with a CM Roar Latias instead, which also gives you a way of dealing with Reuniclus. Latias is faster and will therefore have the advantage of being able to pick a move based on its health condition. If you're low on HP, Recover, if Virizion has more boosts, CM up; if Virizion is almost dead, hit it with Dragon Pulse. Virizion has no option to Recover, has inferior Special stats, and HP Ice doesn't hit particularly hard. Dragon Pulse is only slightly outdamaged by Hidden Power Fire anyways. In fact, Hidden Power Fire is hurting your Latias more than it is helping. Yes, you have an easier time dealing with Ferrothorn, but there's already Heatran to accomplish this job. Furthermore, HP Fire forces you to run an imperfect Speed EV, which means you can't outspeed standard Choice Specs/ Life Orb Latios. Substitute is a nice innovation, but you do have Heatran to absorb Toxic and Will-O-Wisp, and Landorus to absorb Thunder Wave. If you really feel Substitute is important though, Latias can still potentially win a CM war anyways. SubDD Gyarados with Stone Edge is not common enough to be worth bothering with, as you'd be much better off trying to deal with more common variants, which Rotom-W already accomplishes.

Finally, I suggest swapping Heatran's item from Air Balloon to Leftovers. While I understand the whole paranoia with HP Ground on Volcarona, this can be easily scouted for using Protect, which by the way, should go in place of Earth Power, as Earth Power is really only good for opposing Heatran, which you can beat with Rotom-W. Using an Air Balloon Heatran to check Volcarona is incredibly dangerous. Not only do you not have a Wish passer, but no Rapid Spinner either. Entry hazards could potentially wear down Heatran throughout the course of a match, which would jeopardize its ability to check dangerous threats such as Volcarona and Latias. As well, if Volcarona Bug Buzzes Heatran on the switchin, you will be prone to HP Ground anyways, so no good is done there.

In Summary:
Ice Beam>Psychic on Slowbro
pros: check Dragonite, Salamence, better against Landorus, Gliscor
cons: lose paralysis support

Scarftar>CBTtar
pros: check SD Lucario, outspeed and KO Latias, Latios, Starmie, Celebi
cons: no longer able to beat down CM Reuniclus, not as powerful in general

CM Roar Latias>CM Substitue Latias
pros: check Reuniclus for Tyranitar, no longer hindered by imperfect Speed, wins 1v1 against CM Virizion every time
cons: no longer able to block status, although Heatran and Landorus can alleviate that issue

Leftovers/ Protect>Air Balloon/ Earth Power on Heatran
pros: Leftovers is just very important, Heatran NEEDS it to check Latias/ Latios, Protect to scout for random HP Grounds
cons: while Air Balloon is useful, you do not have a cleric or Wish support, and Heatran will be worn down very quickly, Earth Power isn't useful beyond hitting opposing Heatran

GL, and GJ with the title :)

Sets:
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Recover

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Roar

Heatran @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Protect
Thank you both for the rates. I will definatley test them out. Oh and by the way I pretty much died laughing when I read "Very High and Defensive Counter playstyle" because it makes no sense.
 
I'm running late, so I can't give a proper rate just yet, but it struck me on first glance how vunerable this team appears to be to Choice Band T-tar. A Stone Edge from 600+ attack could wreake havoc considering you have no rock resist, and whilst Slowbro can tank a hit, I'm guessing it won't enjoy a CB Crunch too much. Just a small point, I'll get a proper analysis in later. Hope this was useful nontheless.
 
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