About the suspect testing (not ranting)

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So I've noticed that every suspect test done so far has resulted in the suspect being placed into whatever tier it was being tested for.

Garchomp tested as uber - became uber

Skymin test - uber

Latias test - OU

Deoxys speed form - tested for OU, entered OU, then when there was another vote for uber status it went there. Same for Wobby.

And to be honest I'm confident just based on these results that Latios will end up in OU. I just wondered how much of this could be due to bias in the suspect testing. I mean, it stands to logic, and if statistics prove me wrong please say so, that more people will play on these suspect ladders that do want to move that poke to the testing tier than people that want things to remain the same. If the distribution of skill levels is the same, those who end up with voting rights would follow those same patterns.

I think that's one reason I oppose some tests that have come up, for instance I am opposed to Stealth Rock testing. Because if a Stealth Rock-less ladder appeared, a larger number of players who wanted to ban it would play there to prove it is "better." THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ON SR, I WAS SIMPLY PROVIDING AN EXAMPLE OF WHY I OPPOSE SOME SUSPECT TESTING!

Now, I'm not opposed to suspect testing, but just want to make two points. First, is my theory correct? Second, is a call to players who oppose a suspect test to play that suspect ladder as well as possible in order to have a better representation of opposition when it comes time to vote.

Opinions? Comments? Arguments (rational, please)?
 
Skymin was tested in OU and voted Uber. It was a completely new Pokemon, so it is different than all the other cases.

Anyway, this pattern is evident because the people who decide which Pokemon to test are very intelligent people who understand what Ubers are and are not. They only open it up for a vote in order to have the community confirm their "hypothesis" and make it a "democratic" decision. That's a harsh way of putting it, but it's really just a way of saying that the decision-makers really know what they're doing. Having the community continually confirm their hypotheses is just a testament to that. Bottom line, the decision-makers of this forum know what they are doing and where a Pokemon is going to end up. The voting process is a mere formality.
 
Possibly could be coincidence? It is hard to know in all honestly. I'm not sure if I should leave this open (it's not that the premise of your thread is bad - I just don't know what responses are going to be like).

If we assume your theory is true, why aren't people who want a different action playing to achieve that then? Ideally, the suspect testers should go in without bias or preconceptions (how realistic that is is possibly debatable lol). Are those players unbiased or are they not? I'm not certain and I probably never will be since I doubt any bias players are going to come an announce that in this thread.

However, I'll give it a shot to see where this goes, but I suspect it'll turn into something without a lot of substance but we'll see.

Edit: I do agree with calling more people who have the time to play suspect actively.
 
I think the response is usually, "why test them if they aren't what we are testing them for".

For example, I think it was long known (about 2 months where yache chomp was everywhere and chomp was closing in to be on about 50% of teams) before the garchomp testing that we knew Garchomp was uber. We had the test with knowledge of it most likely being uber but testing it to make sure.

With Wobbuffet and Deoxys-s, they were brought in by Colin and removed by Smogon so I'm not sure you can really argue the trend there.

Skymin was a foreign threat as it was brand new with the Platinum metagame. The vote was 59-56 uber to ou iirc which is extremely close and I admit, there seemed to be some bias to get Skymin into Uber.

With the Latis, I think a lot of people are very underwhelmed right now with them, as they lose terribly to Tyranitar, Scizor, Metagross, Blissey, ect. A lot of people believe the Latis were OU for a while and this was just the ammount of checks / counters was to make it OU for certain.

Yes, there is a trend but its by coincidence and by reason of testing. We aren't going to test Electivire for Uber because there is no reason to, it doesn't overcentralize the metagame. But Garchomp did at the time, which is why it was tested and eventually, made Uber.
 
Skymin was a special case because it was something completely new, and the other three were voted to their current status by landslide margins. There's not much discussion that can come from this.
 
besides, by definition this shouldn't surprise anyone:

Any Pokémon, move or clause that respectively may benefit competitive standard or uber battle if moved or implemented elsewhere.

suspect were decided on by our hunches that they didn't belong in the tiers they were currently in at the time. this is also the reason we're not still testing darkrai after its nasty plot addition, because "we can tell" it is much less likely to benefit ou if it goes in there
 
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