And you thought Wobbuffet was a Suspect - Team Shining Down (Ubers RMT)
A while back I tried Uber battling after a long hard day in OU. I was tired of fighting OU and I missed the days were I'd play GSC and pick 6 Ubers and just have a lot of fun. Anxious to relive my childhood (I'm not getting any younger ;_;) I decided to try out the Ubers metagame and I quickly fell in love with it. I'm not exactly the most familar with Ubers, but this team is going fairly well but there's always room for improvement, right? Offensive teams are my favorite kind of team so I naturally tried an offensive approach on this team, based around one of my favorite pokemon ever, Rayquaza, but I don't really counter a lot of threats directly. Never the less its very successful so far but as I just said, it could always get better. Anyway without any further ado, heres my team.
Dialga @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/140 SAtk/116 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
Purposely avoiding the obviously standard Deoxys I chose Dialga for my lead, and barely have regretted it since then. Dialga beats most common leads One on One (Except Groundon, who doesn't really like taking Draco Meteor). Thunder Wave is suprisingly crippling in Ubers, as the metagame is so speed oriented and one Pokemon being slower can ruin it, especially when it's needed to check another pokemon. Lack of Lefties kinda ruins it's bulk, but being able to Draco Meteor on Darkrai to and leave him vulnerable to my Rayquaza's Extremespeed makes it all worthwhile.
I chose Dialga cause it makes a semi-reliable Kyorge check, it can paralyze it into obscurity and hammer it with 100% accurate Thunders, it's ability to set up rocks is amazing too. Normally though I paralyze the opposing pokemon first to ensure that I can set up rocks unless the lead its Groundon. Normally I'm tempted to Draco Meteor but I usually switch Kyorge in because noones stupid enough to risk a Kyorge's Water Spout in the rain even though I'm not actually running Water Spout. The power of suggestion is key. EV's ensure that I'm never 2HKO'd by a ScarfOrge's Water Spout (Imagine how much a Surf would do) and the rest is pumped into Special Attack to boost Draco Meteor's power.
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Kyogre @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
I love Kyorge, it's my second favorite Uber ever and its a force on any team. I oringally picked Kyorge cause it was a badass threat and it patches up Scizor's Fire weakness (Scizor has been replaced with Tyranitar though) and no one on my team really hates the rain anyway. Kyorge is the reason so many ubers run Thunder, so since it was so influencial on the metagame I decided to give it a try. So I put it on and originally tried a Scarf Kyorge. But then I realized that I wanted to hit harder than that and that Wobbuffet isn't only for setting up Rayquaza's Swords Dance. I tried a Sub Kyorge and it immediately meshed into the team. CM lets it break through walls like an other offensive sweeper, but it also adds a lot of bulk to the team and walls pokemon that could otherwise be deadly.
Now, looking at the EV spread, it might look weird minimizing Special Attack on a CM set, but Kyorge really can't afford missing any speed because 7 other Ubers (Counting opposing Kyorge's) are base 90 speed and 2 run positive speed natures sometimes (Giratina-O and Kyorge) so I wanted to at least speed tie against these. Calm mind usually gives me enough power to KO even the sturdiest walls regardless of how much I invest in Special Attack. Max HP also gives me the added benefit of 101 HP subs so I beat Blissey unless they're the running the really weird CM Bliss set. Even then Wobbs can break it and give me a chance to set up my other pokemon.
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Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
Come on, when you saw Kyorge you should have guessed Palkia. Or if you're smart you would've seen it in the Team pose thingie.
So now we got to the generic Ubers sweeper, Palkia. This is basically Kingdra on steriods, and x10 more bulk. Seriously, this thing can come in on Scarf Kyorge, eat the Water Spout, and just start sweeping with the Rain that Kyorge put down. While it doesn't get the Swift Swim that Kingdra has (Imagine if it did) it has twice the power and no set up required (Unless you call the near constant rain cloud over Ubers "set up"). Palkia often serves as a early to mid game sweeper, depending on how fast I set up rain and it can really punch holes in teams that aren't adequately prepared for it (I.E. teams that don't have Blissey). Speaking of Blissey, even if it is brave enough to switch in, it gets slapped around and 2HKO'd by Aqua Tail. Salamence wishes it was Palkia. I switched to a Scarf because I was sick of Scarf Palkia's OHKOing me before I could even attack, besides the only notable KO I miss is Giratina-O (As far as I know).
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Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 200 HP/56 Atk/252 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
As suggested, I'm giving Scizor another shot at making the team. Scizor provides a valuable Dragon resist that my team lacked ever since I originally got rid of Scizor and Scizor's monstrous attack coupled with it's Priorty that most ubers don't resist helps me pickup quick KO's that I otherwise would have used Rayquaza for, and needless to say, LO and SR add up quick and could potentially mess up my sweep at the end of the game. I originally switched him for a Tyranitar since Tyranitar has a lot more bulk and it can dispose of CM Lugia (Or any Lugia for that matter), but not having a Dragon resist proved to be a huge loss as Dialga can run through me if left unchecked so I'm thinking or going back to Scizor. Besides, I can still check Lugia as long as both Scizor and Wobbuffet are alive and in good shape.
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Wobbuffet (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 28 HP/228 Def/252 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
Without a doubt, the most useful pokemon in the game. Period, point blank, no question. Wobbuffet will literally strap you to an electric chair but then let someone else (Usually Rayquaza) flip the switch. He's basically the physical embodiment of the Support characteristic.
Wobbuffet has about 8 moves, but he can put these 8 moves together to put an end to most setups or just provide Rayquaza a safety net that will let him start his 1 turn set up and blaze through teams in a flash. Wobbuffet went from the joke of the Pokemon world to what's arguably the Best Pokemon created. Nothing can stop it. It can trap Lugia's anxious to counter my Rayquaza, encore their move, soften them up with tickle and give them to Tyranitar to OHKO with Pursuit because no -6 Lugia would be stupid enough to stay in against Tyranitar. If they do, thats either extremely intelligent or borderline retarded. Wobbuffet's Shadow tag allows me the opportunity to set up a sub with Kyorge or give Rayquaza the setup (And not to mention battle time) it deserves.
EVs are Wobb's twist on the Max/Max, but since I ran Calm on it before I was trying to survive a Kyorge's Water Spout but I realized Groudon and physical attacks of the like are a bigger threat.
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Rayquaza @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
And here we are. The King of this team. What in my mind, is the most potent threat I've seen in Ubers so far.
Now, I've debated DD Quaza and SD Quaza in my mind for a while now, especially before the making of this team. Now reviewing my team again, I realized that it is the perfect late game sweeper. After a brutal offense from the rest of the team and support from Wobbuffet, Rayquaza is basically free to SD and pick off weakened pokemon not named Giratina, and even Giratina falls to a Swords Danced Outrage seeing as I outspeed it. But since they won't be on every team until Arceus is realeased, I'm relatively safe from having to Outrage all the time and I can rely on my priority. I try to hold back on sweeping with him unless I really need the priority to KO pokemon like Sashed lead Darkrai or something like that. If I try sweeping midgame, then it almost always bites me in the butt cause some random Garchomp might survive and OHKO with Dragon Claw.
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Darkrai: Dialga can hit sash leads with Draco Meteor and Rayquaza can finish off the KO. Midgame, it can be a problem so I try to wall it with Kyorge.
Deoxys: See Below.
Deoxys-A: Thank God for priority. But if it's running Mirror Coat and Extremespeed, it's a serious problem.
Deoxys-D: Kyorge can Sub and use it as setup bait, regardless of Taunt as Knock Off does way too little damage.
Deoxys-S: See Darkrai.
Dialga: Tyranitar eats special hits and slams it with EQ. Bulk up varieties are a pain though, usually end up with me trying to CM on it and hit it with Ice Beam.
Garchomp: Wobbuffet crushes scarfed variants and tbh, I haven't seen any SD Garchomps yet.
Giratina: Kyorge can set up on Giratina with no problems.
Giratina-O: Tyranitar survives a boosted Aura Sphere and OHKO's with Crunch as long as SR isn't up on my side, and if said Giratina-O has Aura Sphere anyway, then Kyorge can setup on it.
Groudon: Don't have a really reliable check for it and the Double boost sets can really hurt when setup. But usually since they Rock Polish first, Wobbuffet can Encore it and if they SD, Kyorge can revenge kill when it beats Wobbuffet. Kyorge is usually my universal check for it.
Ho-oh: Kyorge walls this , and regardless of a burn or not, Tyranitar's Stone Edge will hurt. Especially if SR is up.
Kyogre: Dialga makes a reliable check for it and Palkia can come in and threaten a sweep.
Latias: Latias didn't like Tyranitar in OU, she doesn't like him here either.
Latios: Tyranitar hanldes him too.
Lugia: Tyranitar is here because of this guy, and with Wobbuffet support its only easier to take down.
Manaphy: Dialga can slow him down and him him with Thunder, especially if he opted for Grass Knot.
Mew: Mew has sets for days, and is a really hard to deal with since Pursuit doesn't work on Baton Pass >.<
Mewtwo: Tyranitar can revenge kill it since Aura Sphere doesn't KO, but damn is it hard to beat.
Palkia: Dialga checks it with Draco Meteor.
Rayquaza: It's almost impossible for me to beat the DD set if Spikes and rocks are up, but Rayquaza can revenge kill it after LO takes it's toll. Palkia can also revenge kill it if only SR is up.
Shaymin-S: Dialga can take an Earth Power, Thunder wave and proceed to KO with Draco Meteor.
Wobbuffet: You can't counter what you can't switch out of so I don't know what to say.
The Non-Ubers
Blissey: Non CM Blissey's are screwed over by Kyorge and Wobbuffet fucks up CM ones.
Forretress: Kyorge uses it as Setup bait.
Lucario: If it gets a SD (which it usually does) I can't fight back, at all. Especially since it resists Extremespeed.
Ludicolo: I haven't seen any but based on what I've seen it run in OU, I might be able to KO it with Mirror Coat on Wobbs.
Metagross: Palkia can switch in safe and wreak havoc.
Ninjask: Well, Baton Passers are a pain. And this thing is almost as bad as Mew.
Scizor: Kyorge doesn't mind coming in.
Skarmory: Skarm is scared of Kyorge's thunder, even though it doesn't have it :D.
Tyranitar: Nothing on my team is particularly scared of it besides Dialga.
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OK its time for the part of the RMT that everyone wants to see! No not the end, the team building process!
OK I started the team with my favorite pokemon in Ubers, Rayquaza.
Now I wanted proper support for the SD set so I went for Wobbuffet. After seeing other Ubers RMT's I realized that its basically the best support pokemon in the game and it can trap any pokemon that could be a threat.
Now that I could trap Pokemon I needed something to stop them from running when Wobbuffet switches out. I originally chose Scizor.
Now, I realized I was a little weak to Kyorge and I needed a good lead, so I chose Dialga because I didn't want to choose Deoxys-S or Darkrai.
Now I chose the next 2 Pokemon simaltaneously, Kyorge and Palkia are too good to pass up, and none of my other Pokemon really hate the rain. Hell, Scizor even benefits from it. Also Kyorge is one of my favorite ubers so I was happy to find a place to fit him in.
Now after testing everything out, I realized I was really CM Lugia weak, so I went for Tyranitar instead of Scizor. Tyranitar is another pokemon I've been anxious to try so I didn't pass up the opportunity to use it.
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Currently testing
Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 28 HP/252 Atk/228 Spd
Jolly/Adamant (Still deciding) nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
As suggested by Twash, Metagross can prove to be a reliable check for both Lucario and Lugia. It can trick any Lugia trying to CM, and survive a +2 Lucario's Extremespeed and retaliate with EQ. Also since it's going in Scizor's current spot, its provides me a much needed Dragon resist. Unfortunately, its hits are a little on the light side for Ubers so I'm thinking of bumping up the Attack a little more. Another thing that bugs me is the fact that it doesn't have Pursuit, which I could of course run but I'm not sure about running it on a choiced set, especially when its scarfed.
A while back I tried Uber battling after a long hard day in OU. I was tired of fighting OU and I missed the days were I'd play GSC and pick 6 Ubers and just have a lot of fun. Anxious to relive my childhood (I'm not getting any younger ;_;) I decided to try out the Ubers metagame and I quickly fell in love with it. I'm not exactly the most familar with Ubers, but this team is going fairly well but there's always room for improvement, right? Offensive teams are my favorite kind of team so I naturally tried an offensive approach on this team, based around one of my favorite pokemon ever, Rayquaza, but I don't really counter a lot of threats directly. Never the less its very successful so far but as I just said, it could always get better. Anyway without any further ado, heres my team.
Team Shining Down
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Dialga @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/140 SAtk/116 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave : Thunder Wave is one of the most useful moves in Ubers, given how speed oriented it is.
- Stealth Rock : Still the most useful move in the game, bumps a lot of Rayquaza's 2HKO's to OHKO's.
- Draco Meteor : For Stab of course, and it packs a punch against most leads.
- Thunder : Thunder helps me check Kyorge, someone who can be a problem
Purposely avoiding the obviously standard Deoxys I chose Dialga for my lead, and barely have regretted it since then. Dialga beats most common leads One on One (Except Groundon, who doesn't really like taking Draco Meteor). Thunder Wave is suprisingly crippling in Ubers, as the metagame is so speed oriented and one Pokemon being slower can ruin it, especially when it's needed to check another pokemon. Lack of Lefties kinda ruins it's bulk, but being able to Draco Meteor on Darkrai to and leave him vulnerable to my Rayquaza's Extremespeed makes it all worthwhile.
I chose Dialga cause it makes a semi-reliable Kyorge check, it can paralyze it into obscurity and hammer it with 100% accurate Thunders, it's ability to set up rocks is amazing too. Normally though I paralyze the opposing pokemon first to ensure that I can set up rocks unless the lead its Groundon. Normally I'm tempted to Draco Meteor but I usually switch Kyorge in because noones stupid enough to risk a Kyorge's Water Spout in the rain even though I'm not actually running Water Spout. The power of suggestion is key. EV's ensure that I'm never 2HKO'd by a ScarfOrge's Water Spout (Imagine how much a Surf would do) and the rest is pumped into Special Attack to boost Draco Meteor's power.
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Kyogre @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf : Stab is necessary. Always.
- Ice Beam : Ice beam for coverage, besides after enough CM's I can still break through Kyorge.
- Calm Mind : For set up, of course.
- Substitute : Sub protects me from status and from damage, and it's especially hard to break through after some CM's.
I love Kyorge, it's my second favorite Uber ever and its a force on any team. I oringally picked Kyorge cause it was a badass threat and it patches up Scizor's Fire weakness (Scizor has been replaced with Tyranitar though) and no one on my team really hates the rain anyway. Kyorge is the reason so many ubers run Thunder, so since it was so influencial on the metagame I decided to give it a try. So I put it on and originally tried a Scarf Kyorge. But then I realized that I wanted to hit harder than that and that Wobbuffet isn't only for setting up Rayquaza's Swords Dance. I tried a Sub Kyorge and it immediately meshed into the team. CM lets it break through walls like an other offensive sweeper, but it also adds a lot of bulk to the team and walls pokemon that could otherwise be deadly.
Now, looking at the EV spread, it might look weird minimizing Special Attack on a CM set, but Kyorge really can't afford missing any speed because 7 other Ubers (Counting opposing Kyorge's) are base 90 speed and 2 run positive speed natures sometimes (Giratina-O and Kyorge) so I wanted to at least speed tie against these. Calm mind usually gives me enough power to KO even the sturdiest walls regardless of how much I invest in Special Attack. Max HP also gives me the added benefit of 101 HP subs so I beat Blissey unless they're the running the really weird CM Bliss set. Even then Wobbs can break it and give me a chance to set up my other pokemon.
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Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Aqua Tail : Aqua Tail provides me the ability to hit on the physical side of the spectrum that many Uber walls don't invest in.
- Surf : 95 base power X 1.2 X 1.5 X 1.5 again = 256.5 base power. But hey, I failed math.
- Thunder : 100% accurate moves are amazing, especially when they're electric and have 120 base power.
- Spacial Rend : I need a reliable move on choiced sets because Draco Meteor is more hit and run and if I can't switch I'll just be ruining my sweeping potential.
Come on, when you saw Kyorge you should have guessed Palkia. Or if you're smart you would've seen it in the Team pose thingie.
So now we got to the generic Ubers sweeper, Palkia. This is basically Kingdra on steriods, and x10 more bulk. Seriously, this thing can come in on Scarf Kyorge, eat the Water Spout, and just start sweeping with the Rain that Kyorge put down. While it doesn't get the Swift Swim that Kingdra has (Imagine if it did) it has twice the power and no set up required (Unless you call the near constant rain cloud over Ubers "set up"). Palkia often serves as a early to mid game sweeper, depending on how fast I set up rain and it can really punch holes in teams that aren't adequately prepared for it (I.E. teams that don't have Blissey). Speaking of Blissey, even if it is brave enough to switch in, it gets slapped around and 2HKO'd by Aqua Tail. Salamence wishes it was Palkia. I switched to a Scarf because I was sick of Scarf Palkia's OHKOing me before I could even attack, besides the only notable KO I miss is Giratina-O (As far as I know).
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Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 200 HP/56 Atk/252 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch : Scizor isn't nearly as good without it's STAB priorty move.
- U-turn : U-Turn and pursuit help because of the number of Psychic's in Ubers and because some might actually stay in expecting a Pursuit.
- Pursuit : Pursuit is for Pokemon who might run, especially Lugia who I need to beat.
- Superpower : I'm thinking of running Quick Attack in this slot cause I'm only going to be hitting Dialga with this but for now it's here.
As suggested, I'm giving Scizor another shot at making the team. Scizor provides a valuable Dragon resist that my team lacked ever since I originally got rid of Scizor and Scizor's monstrous attack coupled with it's Priorty that most ubers don't resist helps me pickup quick KO's that I otherwise would have used Rayquaza for, and needless to say, LO and SR add up quick and could potentially mess up my sweep at the end of the game. I originally switched him for a Tyranitar since Tyranitar has a lot more bulk and it can dispose of CM Lugia (Or any Lugia for that matter), but not having a Dragon resist proved to be a huge loss as Dialga can run through me if left unchecked so I'm thinking or going back to Scizor. Besides, I can still check Lugia as long as both Scizor and Wobbuffet are alive and in good shape.
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Wobbuffet (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 28 HP/228 Def/252 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Tickle : A weaken those Lugia's that were caught in Wibbuffet's elaborate web and leave them for Tyranitar to Pursuit.
- Counter : Obligatory.
- Mirror Coat : Obligatory.
- Encore : See above.
Without a doubt, the most useful pokemon in the game. Period, point blank, no question. Wobbuffet will literally strap you to an electric chair but then let someone else (Usually Rayquaza) flip the switch. He's basically the physical embodiment of the Support characteristic.
Wobbuffet has about 8 moves, but he can put these 8 moves together to put an end to most setups or just provide Rayquaza a safety net that will let him start his 1 turn set up and blaze through teams in a flash. Wobbuffet went from the joke of the Pokemon world to what's arguably the Best Pokemon created. Nothing can stop it. It can trap Lugia's anxious to counter my Rayquaza, encore their move, soften them up with tickle and give them to Tyranitar to OHKO with Pursuit because no -6 Lugia would be stupid enough to stay in against Tyranitar. If they do, thats either extremely intelligent or borderline retarded. Wobbuffet's Shadow tag allows me the opportunity to set up a sub with Kyorge or give Rayquaza the setup (And not to mention battle time) it deserves.
EVs are Wobb's twist on the Max/Max, but since I ran Calm on it before I was trying to survive a Kyorge's Water Spout but I realized Groudon and physical attacks of the like are a bigger threat.
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Rayquaza @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Outrage : I've always been a Power > reliability guy so Outrage was a given.
- Swords Dance : Can't have a Swords Dance set without Swords Dance.
- Extremespeed : Extremespeed makes up for the fact that Swords Dance doesn't boost my speed.
- Earthquake : I haven't used Earthquake once tbh, so it's mainly filler unless I run into a Dialga late game.
And here we are. The King of this team. What in my mind, is the most potent threat I've seen in Ubers so far.
Now, I've debated DD Quaza and SD Quaza in my mind for a while now, especially before the making of this team. Now reviewing my team again, I realized that it is the perfect late game sweeper. After a brutal offense from the rest of the team and support from Wobbuffet, Rayquaza is basically free to SD and pick off weakened pokemon not named Giratina, and even Giratina falls to a Swords Danced Outrage seeing as I outspeed it. But since they won't be on every team until Arceus is realeased, I'm relatively safe from having to Outrage all the time and I can rely on my priority. I try to hold back on sweeping with him unless I really need the priority to KO pokemon like Sashed lead Darkrai or something like that. If I try sweeping midgame, then it almost always bites me in the butt cause some random Garchomp might survive and OHKO with Dragon Claw.
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The Non-Ubers
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OK its time for the part of the RMT that everyone wants to see! No not the end, the team building process!
OK I started the team with my favorite pokemon in Ubers, Rayquaza.
Now I wanted proper support for the SD set so I went for Wobbuffet. After seeing other Ubers RMT's I realized that its basically the best support pokemon in the game and it can trap any pokemon that could be a threat.
Now that I could trap Pokemon I needed something to stop them from running when Wobbuffet switches out. I originally chose Scizor.
Now, I realized I was a little weak to Kyorge and I needed a good lead, so I chose Dialga because I didn't want to choose Deoxys-S or Darkrai.
Now I chose the next 2 Pokemon simaltaneously, Kyorge and Palkia are too good to pass up, and none of my other Pokemon really hate the rain. Hell, Scizor even benefits from it. Also Kyorge is one of my favorite ubers so I was happy to find a place to fit him in.
Now after testing everything out, I realized I was really CM Lugia weak, so I went for Tyranitar instead of Scizor. Tyranitar is another pokemon I've been anxious to try so I didn't pass up the opportunity to use it.
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Currently testing
Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 28 HP/252 Atk/228 Spd
Jolly/Adamant (Still deciding) nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash : Meteor Mash provides me with a hard hitting STAB move that could even raise my attack even more.
- Earthquake : Handles those Lucario's and Dialga's.
- Explosion : Explosion is an amazing move on any offensive team, and the only common Uber Ghost is Giratina.
- Ice Punch : Ice Punch lets me OHKO Rayquaza despite me not outspeeding it after a DD.
As suggested by Twash, Metagross can prove to be a reliable check for both Lucario and Lugia. It can trick any Lugia trying to CM, and survive a +2 Lucario's Extremespeed and retaliate with EQ. Also since it's going in Scizor's current spot, its provides me a much needed Dragon resist. Unfortunately, its hits are a little on the light side for Ubers so I'm thinking of bumping up the Attack a little more. Another thing that bugs me is the fact that it doesn't have Pursuit, which I could of course run but I'm not sure about running it on a choiced set, especially when its scarfed.
