Banette [0/3]

ssneak

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[OVERVIEW]
  • Banette is outclassed as a physical attacking Ghost-type by both Drifblim and Dusknoir as the former is a potential sweeper and the latter has better bulk
  • It does have a niche as an offensive Ghost-type with much more strength than the others
  • Aside from Attack, its stats are terribly low
  • Banette has a poor offensive movepool with Shadow Claw, Gunk Shot, and Sucker Punch being among its strongest moves
  • On the other hand, Banette has a great utility movepool, including Will-O-Wisp, Taunt, Knock Off, and more


[SET]
name: Offensive Utility
move 1: Shadow Claw
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Dazzling Gleam
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Knock Off / Will-O-Wisp
item: Life Orb
ability: Insomnia
nature: Naughty
evs: 248 Atk / 40 SpA / 220 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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  • Shadow Claw is Banette's most useful STAB move, hitting the majority of the tier for neutral or super-effective damage, and dealing heavy damage when boosted by Life Orb
  • Sucker Punch is used as the priority move to deal damage to Normal-types and to pick off any weakened foes
  • Dazzling Gleam lands a 2HKO Vullaby after Stealth Rock damage, a common switch in to Banette
  • Hidden Power Fighting could be used to OHKO Pawniard
  • Knock Off is a great utility move to spam, as most switch-ins will be bulkier Pokemon that dislike their item being removed such as Vullaby or Pawniard
  • Will-O-Wisp is great for crippling switch-ins such as Pawniard and Vullaby, but you must be weary of Pokemon that benefit from status, such as Stoutland and Ursaring
  • Pursuit could be used to trap Pokemon expecting Sucker Punch or Shadow Claw

Set Details
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  • Maximum the EVs in Special Attack guarantee a 2HKO on Vullaby with Dazzling Gleam after Stealth Rock damage
  • The EVs in Speed let Banette outspeed Pawniard, with the rest in Attack to maximize damage from Shadow Claw and Sucker Punch
  • A Life Orb is used as Banette needs the boost in power to deal significant damage
  • A Naughty nature gives Banette the necessary boost in Attack without compromising damage from Dazzling Gleam and Hidden Power Fighting
  • Insomnia gives Banette an immunity to sleep-causing moves such as Sleep Powder from Jumpluff

Usage Tips
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  • Spamming utility moves such as Knock Off and Will-O-Wisp is an effective strategy to weaken the enemy team for a sweeper or late game cleaner
  • Bring Banette in on bulkier Pokemon that may give your team trouble, as you can cripple it with a burn or remove its item
  • If using Hidden Power Fighting, try not to reveal it or make it obvious that you are carrying it, if there is an opposing Pawniard
  • Banette is vulnerable to all forms of status, so try to avoid it unless absolutely necessary

Team Options
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  • Set up sweepers such as Monferno or Fraxure pair well with Banette, as it can spam Knock Off to remove Eviolites and Will-O-Wisp to rack up damage, so set up sweepers can sweep teams easier
  • Hazard-stacking Pokemon such as Quilladin or Roselia also pair well with Banette, as it can be used as an offensive spin-blocker
  • Banette also appreciates bulky wallbreakers like Stoutland and Ursaring to assist in taking down bulkier Pokemon such as Audio and Probopass

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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  • Banette has a long list of alternate utility moves it could run, including Thunder Wave, Taunt, Pain Split, Pursuit, Toxic, and Destiny Bond, but it doesn't really have room for them
  • Banette's strongest Ghost-type STAB move, Phantom Force, could be used, but it gives the opponent a free turn
  • A Choice Band set with Trick could be run, but Banette wouldn't be hitting much harder, and locking it into one move could make it set up fodder
  • Banette's other two abilities, Cursed Body and Frisk, could be used to potentially disable an opponent's move and a way to determine sets through their held item, respectively

Checks and Counters
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**Faster Pokemon**: As Banette is very frail and slow, faster Pokemon can easily outpace and KO with their respective moves, such as Simipour, Monferno, Raichu, and Rotom-F

**Dark-types**: Vullaby and Pawniard both take minimal damage from Banette's Ghost-type STAB, and can OHKO with their respective Dark-type STAB, but neither like getting burnt and the latter is OHKOed by a Life Orb boosted Hidden Power Fighting

**Status**: Banette is crippled greatly by all forms of status and is made much easier to take down once afflicted, so common status spreaders such as Rotom-F and Stunfisk make good checks

**Guts Machoke**: While it can't really switch-in to any of Banette's moves, Machoke can absorb a Will-O-Wisp and OHKO with Knock Off
 
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Overview:
'Banette is outclassed as a physical attacking Ghost-type by both Drifblim and Dusknoir' - mention why the other ghosts are generally better, but also mention bannette's niches (strength/ghost STAB) as it isn't totally outclassed as it is D-rank
Its ability isn't useful enough to be worth mentioning in the overview

set:
I dont think gunk shot should be slashed with knock off (just leave it in moves) as gunk only really hits 2 targets and both aren't too common rn, and gunk isnt too much stronger than sclaw

moves:
Mention will-o targets

SD:
'Adamant is used as Banette prefers the boost in Attack over any other stat and you miss out on crucial 2HKOes without' give an example

UT:
The first two lines belong in TO as you are talking about what team its on rather than how it should be used (though the second part of the first point is relevant in UT)
'Bring Banette in on bulkier Pokemon that may give your team trouble, as you can cripple it with a burn or remove its item' - this is very vague. You should say something about banette being played as a wallbreaker or revenge killer with its priorities

TO:
'Offensive Dark-types make great partners for Banette, specifically Pawniard' - why? Dark and Ghost have the same dark coverage, and banette doesn't need a specific partner to remove other ghosts as they are rare
'For hazard-stacking teams, Pawniard can take advantage of the Vullaby or any Defogger that may try to remove hazards on Banette for a free +2 Attack boost' - this isn't a team option for banette really rather a team option for the type of team banette is used on

OO:
the reason banette doesn't run those support moves are mostly because it doesn't have room

c&c:
Normal-types aren't great switch ins as offensive ones are KO'd by LO knock off + sucker punch (stout is KOd by that + rocks)
Mention status users under 'status'
You overstate how well machoke checks banette as LO knock off + shadow claw does 80%+ (just dont say it can come in on any of banettes moves)

ssneak
 
yeah i just saw the post and realized that. i ran the set by some others and they said it was fine. what spread would you recommend tho? maybe enough spatk to 2hko vullaby on the switch and the rest in speed/atk?
 
40 special attack is the amount required for that. other than that, I think you get the idea for the correct mixed set, I don't have too much experience with banette but since nobody is responding I'll go ahead and say yes
 
Hi ssneak sorry for the long wait but here is the set QC think should be used:

name: Offensive Utility
move 1: Shadow Claw
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Dazzling Gleam
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Knock Off / Will-o-Wisp
item: Life Orb
ability: Insomnia
nature: Naughty
evs: 248 Atk / 40 SpA / 220 Spe

EVs outspeed Pawniard and 2HKO Phdef vull after rocks
 
Overview:
when you say 'Aside from Attack, its stats are terribly low' and 'On the other hand, Banette has a great utility movepool, including Will-O-Wisp, Taunt, Knock Off, and more' mention the implications like being walled by stuff like Tangela and being fairly easily RK'd due to bad bulk/speed

Mention Pursuit in moves, its really nice as you scare a lot of stuff out w/ sucker

TO:
mention stuff like Monferno/Grumpig that like Vullaby being lured

c&c:
mention faster Pokemon have to be healthy to not get KOd by sucker
Guts machoke isnt worth a spot as willo is only the third slash, instead do **Defensive Pokemon** and mention stuff like relicanth and quilladin

ssneak sorry for the wait but 1/3
 
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