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Best starter?
- Thread starter Howl
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One pokemon per match? As in a 1 vs 1 Tourney? Well... A Counter-sash pokemon will ensure a victory against any Physical Sweeper...
Actually, Counter-Bliss w/ CM and Focus Sash could win it for you. CM against Special Attackers and use Counter-sash on Phys. Attackers. BAM, you win the Tourney.
Actually, Counter-Bliss w/ CM and Focus Sash could win it for you. CM against Special Attackers and use Counter-sash on Phys. Attackers. BAM, you win the Tourney.
This might work. But be careful as Ttar will screw you, and as far as I know, they're really over used
This is so simple its silly.
As said Focus Sash on any sweeper with a fighting move to kill T-Tar and water/grass/ice move to kill Hippowdon will do.
Yanmega or Crobat work too with the cheapness of their fast sleeps and high defenses/offenses. Breloom does have his Spores but it may have trouble with its mediocre speed.
Also Endure/Reversal/Flail, no wall switching makes them happy.
In other news, Specsmence = overkill.
As said Focus Sash on any sweeper with a fighting move to kill T-Tar and water/grass/ice move to kill Hippowdon will do.
Yanmega or Crobat work too with the cheapness of their fast sleeps and high defenses/offenses. Breloom does have his Spores but it may have trouble with its mediocre speed.
Also Endure/Reversal/Flail, no wall switching makes them happy.
In other news, Specsmence = overkill.
Everything good that Breloom brings starts with an S.
Sash, Sub, Spore, Seed Bomb, Sky Uppercut. Or Brick Break if you're paranoia about accuracy. You can get Spore off on anything that isn't a faster sleeper or that's immune to it for some reason, and from there Substitute to protect against early wake-ups. No need to worry about Tyranitar/Hippowdon obviously. Focus Punch isn't really desirable imo.
Yanmega with Protect/Hypnosis/Bug Buzz/Air Slash with Speed Boost and Wide Lens would work fine as well...most of the time. Crobat is less accurate and has less good STAB, but takes one more Rock hit I guess.
I suppose PorygonZ would work as well, but it's a little slow and has versatility problems.
Sash, Sub, Spore, Seed Bomb, Sky Uppercut. Or Brick Break if you're paranoia about accuracy. You can get Spore off on anything that isn't a faster sleeper or that's immune to it for some reason, and from there Substitute to protect against early wake-ups. No need to worry about Tyranitar/Hippowdon obviously. Focus Punch isn't really desirable imo.
Yanmega with Protect/Hypnosis/Bug Buzz/Air Slash with Speed Boost and Wide Lens would work fine as well...most of the time. Crobat is less accurate and has less good STAB, but takes one more Rock hit I guess.
I suppose PorygonZ would work as well, but it's a little slow and has versatility problems.
Infernape and Swamp... oh. Oh.
Well, if you get one poke, you want coverage and speed. In other words, you want my Jolly Medicham with a Choice Scarf. Porygon-Z with said Choice Scarf (Tri Attack/Shadow Ball (since they aren't switching to a normal type)/HP Fighting or Thunderbolt/Ice Beam or Sleep Talk) is faster than Heracross even if Modest if you'd prefer a Special Attacker.
A good tank works in the lead spot too. Drapion with 252 HP/252 SDef and Battle Armor can Accupressure for a few turns and hit things with Taunt, Night Slash, or Brick Break for fun.
Well, if you get one poke, you want coverage and speed. In other words, you want my Jolly Medicham with a Choice Scarf. Porygon-Z with said Choice Scarf (Tri Attack/Shadow Ball (since they aren't switching to a normal type)/HP Fighting or Thunderbolt/Ice Beam or Sleep Talk) is faster than Heracross even if Modest if you'd prefer a Special Attacker.
A good tank works in the lead spot too. Drapion with 252 HP/252 SDef and Battle Armor can Accupressure for a few turns and hit things with Taunt, Night Slash, or Brick Break for fun.
Choice Scarf Adaptability Hyper Beam Porygon Z
Give it Tri-Attack, Shadow Ball, and HP fire (or Ice Beam) for its other moves. Hyper Beam OHKOs nearly everything.
Weavile with Sash will beat it, but I doubt you'll see many of them in 1v1.
HP fire for Metagross
Give it Tri-Attack, Shadow Ball, and HP fire (or Ice Beam) for its other moves. Hyper Beam OHKOs nearly everything.
Weavile with Sash will beat it, but I doubt you'll see many of them in 1v1.
HP fire for Metagross
no, thats not good because any sash pokemon lives and kills you on you recharging turn...
i personally love swellow as a start. he can purist, u turn, stab guts activated facade, brave bird, and even endeavor if you wish. his speed stat gives him a great advantage over alot of common starters as well.
might not be the best in a 1v1 situation. id say go for Aerodactyl or counter gengar/alakazam.
might not be the best in a 1v1 situation. id say go for Aerodactyl or counter gengar/alakazam.
Really, you'll be playing rock paper scissors. The main players would be:
FEAR
Beats: Most normal Sashers
Beaten by: Weather, Breloom, fast sleep
Breloom
Beats: Weather, anything slow, Lum (if it has Sash)
Beaten by: fast sleep, Sleep Talk
Fast sleepers (Crobat/Yanmega)
Beats: Breloom (most of the time), FEAR, Sashers
Beaten by: Lum, faster sleep
Generic fast Focus Sash/Choice Band attackers
Beats: non-Sash Breloom, sometimes weather, sometimes fast sleepers
Beaten by: anything else
FEAR
Beats: Most normal Sashers
Beaten by: Weather, Breloom, fast sleep
Breloom
Beats: Weather, anything slow, Lum (if it has Sash)
Beaten by: fast sleep, Sleep Talk
Fast sleepers (Crobat/Yanmega)
Beats: Breloom (most of the time), FEAR, Sashers
Beaten by: Lum, faster sleep
Generic fast Focus Sash/Choice Band attackers
Beats: non-Sash Breloom, sometimes weather, sometimes fast sleepers
Beaten by: anything else
smeargle@focus sash
jolly max speed and HP
-spore
-encore
-mind reader
-sheer cold
Spore anything slower. If they are faster, then you hold on with sash and spore anyway. If you think they are going for a non-attacking move like substitute which would stop spore, then just encore it and sheer cold away.
Every pokemon will have their counters. I think this set minimizes that though. I stuff that actually counter this probably won't be too common. ttar/hippo/abomasnow aren't a problem for sash as they are all slower and will be spored.
Here's what to look out for:
Sleep immune pokemon: not very common, doubt anyone would uses UU/NU pokemon just for sleep immunity.
Lum / Chesto berry: can't be helped I suppose but I think in a 1v1 people are going to be more inclined towards items like focus sash, choice items, life orb rather than stuff to avoid status.
Faster sleep inducers: only 3 that are good enough to actually be used that come to mind. Crobat, gengar and yanmega. Nothing you can do but good news is hypnosis can miss while spore can't so you have a 30% chance of winning if you come up against these 3 pokemon.
Faster taunters: again not too common, gyarados probably the only one that carries it as standard.
Sleep talkers / Sturdy: both are usually only seen on tanks and highly unlikely anyone will pick a tank when it's 1v1. They'd want something that's fast and hits hard.
Seems like a lot of things can stop it I know but most of these are either gonna be uncommon in a 1v1 environment or fairly specific pokemon counters. Believe me any other pokemon will have just as many and most likely more counters. It has a good chance of taking out most single pokemon threats people would use in 1v1, including all above suggestions I might add.
jolly max speed and HP
-spore
-encore
-mind reader
-sheer cold
Spore anything slower. If they are faster, then you hold on with sash and spore anyway. If you think they are going for a non-attacking move like substitute which would stop spore, then just encore it and sheer cold away.
Every pokemon will have their counters. I think this set minimizes that though. I stuff that actually counter this probably won't be too common. ttar/hippo/abomasnow aren't a problem for sash as they are all slower and will be spored.
Here's what to look out for:
Sleep immune pokemon: not very common, doubt anyone would uses UU/NU pokemon just for sleep immunity.
Lum / Chesto berry: can't be helped I suppose but I think in a 1v1 people are going to be more inclined towards items like focus sash, choice items, life orb rather than stuff to avoid status.
Faster sleep inducers: only 3 that are good enough to actually be used that come to mind. Crobat, gengar and yanmega. Nothing you can do but good news is hypnosis can miss while spore can't so you have a 30% chance of winning if you come up against these 3 pokemon.
Faster taunters: again not too common, gyarados probably the only one that carries it as standard.
Sleep talkers / Sturdy: both are usually only seen on tanks and highly unlikely anyone will pick a tank when it's 1v1. They'd want something that's fast and hits hard.
Seems like a lot of things can stop it I know but most of these are either gonna be uncommon in a 1v1 environment or fairly specific pokemon counters. Believe me any other pokemon will have just as many and most likely more counters. It has a good chance of taking out most single pokemon threats people would use in 1v1, including all above suggestions I might add.
I have to ask, what is FEAR?
Also, I assume Explosion is an autoloss, right? Otherwise, you can always go for the comedy option of draw every round.
Beyond that, looks like Mekkah pretty much summed up the options. The only other thing I can think of is some kind of painful stalling death by Toxic or other junk, but most of those are going to lose badly to a lucky CH.
Also, I assume Explosion is an autoloss, right? Otherwise, you can always go for the comedy option of draw every round.
Beyond that, looks like Mekkah pretty much summed up the options. The only other thing I can think of is some kind of painful stalling death by Toxic or other junk, but most of those are going to lose badly to a lucky CH.
Can Shuckle get a mention? After all he has sky rocketing defenses and access to some very annoying moves. The only real thing that absolutely owns Shuckle is S. toss/ Night shade, which I doubt anybody plans on running.
Fear is :
Focus Sash
Endeavor
quick Attack
Rattata
Also replaced with whatever poke you want that also learns endeavor/priority.
mind reader is still required. It lowers the luck factor of the set as it guarantees the kill after 2 turns. Just spamming sheer cold by itself is risky as even if the chance of you missing all 8 is low, the chance of your opponent waking up before you hit them is higher. At least with mind reader you only lose if they happen to wake up after 2 turns of sleep.
Yeah, fair enough.
What can Shuckle possibly do in this environment? He cannot OHKO anything, he loses to Breloom and faster sleepers, he loses to Sash sweepers (many of which should carry Substitute), he has no way of damaging Crobat at all (lol Stone Edge), he has nothing on Taunt, even Tyranitar/Abonasnow/Hippowdon can beat him...pretty much, if you cannot put something to sleep, have massive killing power, have access to weather or use Endeavor you have no place in this environment.
What can Shuckle possibly do in this environment? He cannot OHKO anything, he loses to Breloom and faster sleepers, he loses to Sash sweepers (many of which should carry Substitute), he has no way of damaging Crobat at all (lol Stone Edge), he has nothing on Taunt, even Tyranitar/Abonasnow/Hippowdon can beat him...pretty much, if you cannot put something to sleep, have massive killing power, have access to weather or use Endeavor you have no place in this environment.