Braviary (QC 0/3)

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'murica burd


Overview
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Pros
  • Good 123 Atk
  • Can setup Tailwind
  • Choice Band OHKOes most of the offensive benchmarks
  • Awesome ability in the form of Defiant
  • Kinda bulky
Cons

  • Weak to common offensive types (Ice, Rock and Electric)
  • Slow
  • No priority
  • Easily revenge killed
  • Somewhat outclassed by Tornadus and Talonflame.
Bulky Tailwind
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name: Bulky Tailwind
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Return / Superpower
move 3: Tailwind
move 4: Protect
ability: Defiant
item: Sitrus
evs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe / 12 Def
nature: Adamant

Moves
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  • Brave bird = Super strong STAB
  • Return is awesome for picking of weakned things
  • Protect allows him to scout, disrupt offensive strategies, stops Fake Out etc.
  • Tailwind doubles his and his team speed for 5 turns
  • Superpower should only be used when your team struggles alot with TTar, Bisharp and the likes, otherwise always Return.

Set Details
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  • 188 HP makes him so bulky that he can take a Stone Edge from 252+ Landorus-T, while also being a positive Sitrus number.
  • 252+ Atk gives him ENORMOUS power, allowing him to kill so many things it's amusing.
  • 78 Spe outspeeds 12 Spe Rotom-W
  • Sitrus is used for recovery, futher increasing it's longetivity.

Usage Tips
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  • Braviary's job is to setup TWind then kill things, so switching out should be avoided
  • If the opponent has a lot of offensive pressure against you, it can be wise to sacrifice Braviary, but take something with you first.
  • Setting up TWind is top priority if your team is slower than your opponents's, otherwise you're going to get killed.

Team Options
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  • Since Braviary has no priority anything with priority helps alot, Scizor and Bisharp not only benefit priority but have one of the strongest ones in the game. Talonflame can be used too, but double bird is kinda stupid-ish.
  • Braviary absolutely HATES status, so anything with Safeguard helps alot, Cress is one of those. Having something to deal with Thundurus and Rotom-W (TWave and WoW sets, respectively.) is also good.
  • Anything capable of revenge killing (Scarfers and fast pokemon) with spread help alot, Garchomp and Terrakion are some of those.


Choiced Band
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name: Choice Band
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Return
move 3: Superpower
move 4: U-Turn
ability: Defiant
item: Choice Band
evs: 252 Atk / 176 Spe / 80 HP
nature: Adamant

Moves
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  • Brave Bird kills everything not named Rotom-W, Thundurus, Hetran and Tyranitar. 120 BP + STAB + Band is nothing to play around with.
  • Return is for hitting stuff that resists Brave Bird, like Thundurus, Rotom-W and Rotom-H.
  • Superpower is to hit things that resist both STABs, like Tyranitar, Heatran and Bisharp.
  • U-Turn is for grabbing momentum and revenge killing things.

Set Details
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  • EVs are simple, 252+ Atk is for maximum power, 252+ with Band allows you to OHKO most of the Offensive Benchmarks and do tons of damage to anything. 176 Spe EVs outspeed Max speed adamant Breelom and Bisharp, but be wary that most run max speed. The rest was dumped into HP for more bulk.

Usage Tips
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  • If you have any form of speed control in your team, you want to get it up as quick as possible, it will make it much easier for braviary to sweep.
  • Be wary of Disable + Perish Trap, it will completely ruin Braviary and render him useless.

Team Options
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  • Avoid status at all costs, that means Safeguard users help alot. Cress has Safeguard and Helping Hand, while also providing speed control. Kyurem-B can kill most of the status users.
  • Rage Powder/Follow Me support is always appreciated, Amoong has Spore, which is always threat. Togekiss shares to many weaknesses with Braviary which is bad.
  • This set loves priority, so strong priority users like Scizor and Bisharp work great with him.


Other Options
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  • Trick Room (run Band set with min speed)
  • Bulk Up + Tailwind
  • Scarfed (+ Sky Drop)
  • Rock Slide
  • Yache Berry
  • Charti Berry (Fuck you Excadrill)


Checks & Counters
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**Offensive Typing Advantage**:
  • Max Def Politoed and Suicune can come in on any attack and either try to get a burn with Scald or do heavy damage with Ice Beam.
  • Rock/Electric Types can come in on STAB moves (Electrics cant come in on Return tho) and do heavy damage afterwards with their respective STABs.
  • Notable mentions: Thundurus, Rotom-W, Terrakion, Tyranitar, Zapdos and Rotom-H.

**Speed**:
  • Braviary is really slow so he's prone to being killed by aanything faster than can hit for super effective damage or neutral STAB.
  • Notable mentions are Genesect, Kyurem-B, Talonflame, Thundurus, Keldeo and Mamoswine.

**Status**:
  • Braviary hates all sorts of status, Toxic will make him easier to kill, Burn and Paralysis will make him offensively useless for the rest of the match.
  • Notable status users: Rotom-W, Rotom-H, Thundurus.

**Opposing Weather**
  • Swift Swim sucks alot for Braviary, Kingdra does 60% with Ice Beam and Kabutops OHKOes.
  • HailRoom, Aboma outspeeds in TR and fucking reks Braviary with Blizzard spam.
Written version
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'murica burd


Overview
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Braviary is a fearsome but underrated pokemon. Just like Bisharp, it's ability Defiant is what makes him worth using, the ability to keep Intimidate users at bay is wonderful when you are paired with something like Scizor or Garchomp; futhermore, 123 Atk is nothing to play around with or without +1. With Choice Band he literally OHKOes 4/5 of the offensive benchmarks, the rest takes 70%-80%. It also has the ability to setup Tailwind futhermore increasing it's utility.
Sadly, Braviary is weak to really common attack types: Ice, Electric and Rock. Kyurem-B, Terrkakion and Thunudurus can naturally outspeed and threaten Braviary with STAB super effective hits, and they aren't the only ones; futhermore, because of his low speed he can be easily revenge killed by scarfers or faster things, while also being really weak to priority and lacking some of it's own.

Bulky Tailwind
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name: Bulky Tailwind
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Return / Superpower
move 3: Tailwind
move 4: Protect
ability: Defiant
item: Sitrus
evs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe / 12 Def
nature: Adamant

Moves
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Brave Bird is insanely strong, is what you're going to use 90% of the time, 120 BP is nothing to play with, and with STAB it makes it even better.
Return is basically for fnishing things, it will do tons of damage to anything, but the extra power from BB is more appreciated, the only time you'll be using Return is when something that resist BB comes in, so you can replace it for Superpower if you have enough coverage vs Electric types.
Tailwind is the star of this set, by doubling his speed, Braviary will be able to outspeed and kill most things except for Rock types, and not only that, it also increases it's partner speed, making it even better.
Protect is mostly used for scouting, but it can be used to stall Trick Room or rain etc.

Set Details
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EVs are simple, 188 HP increases its bulk to such high levels that he can survive a Stone Edge coming from 252 Adamant Lando-T and also makes it so he can properly heal with Sitrus, 252+ Atk makes his 123 Atk skyrocket to 374, and if you get at +1 and TWind you are guranteed to do some damage, 56 Spe makes it so you outspeed 4 Spe Rotom-W which is useful since you do 60% damage to one with Return, thus killing a weakened one. Sitrus makes it last longer so he can kill more things and setup more TWinds. 12 Def are there so we can take Rock Slides better.

Usage Tips
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Braviary's main job is to stup Tailwind and kill things afterwards, switching should be avoided when you can OHKO something on the field. If the opponent has a lot of offensive pressure against you, it can be wise to sacrifice Braviary. if an attack doesnt kill, the most wise thing is to either Protect or Switch out, attacking twice isnt recomendable because Braviary is really prone to revenge killing.

Team Options
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Braviary really likes anything with a strong priority, Breelom and Scizor fit well here, since they benefit from Tailwind. Talonflame can be used too, but wont make much use from TWind. Braviary also hates status, so something that can kill status users like Rotom-W and Thundurus or setup Safeguard works great, Cress can setup Safeguard and give Helping Hand support, while Kyurem-B can easily deal with Thundurus and Rotom-W, but be wary, Kyurem-B will probably get a paralyzis when dealing with Thundurus. Anything that's fast also helps, like Skymin or Scarf Garchomp.


Choiced Band
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name: Choice Band
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Return
move 3: Superpower
move 4: U-Turn
ability: Defiant
item: Choice Band
evs: 252 Atk / 176 Spe / 80 HP
nature: Adamant

Moves
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Brave Bird is your best option when killing things, unless it's resisted or you cant take any recoil damage, then you should use one of your other options, at 120 BP + STAB you'll be doing tons of damage to anything not named Rotom-W, Thundurus, Hetran and Tyranitar.
Return is your second STAB and your best option to hit Electric types like Rotom-W and Thundurus, it is also good for when you cant take any recoil damage Ilike with 10% HP or something)
Superpower is for coverage against things like Bisharp and Tyranitar, which resist both STAB, there isnt much use to it besides that, since you will get your attack lowered, and we dont want that do we.
U-Turn is mainly for grabbing momentum and have something to hit cress with, just like Lando-T, the idea is to come in, lure an attack, do tons of damage, then leave.

Set Details
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EVs are simple, 252+ Atk is for maximum power, 252+ with Band allows you to OHKO most of the Offensive Benchmarks (PROOF: http://pastebin.com/i4tL7eyn) and do tons of damage to anything. 176 Spe EVs outspeed Max speed adamant Breelom and Bisharp, but be wary that most run max speed. The rest was dumped into HP for more bulk.

Usage Tips
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If you have any form of speed control in your team, you want to get it up as quick as possible, it will make it much easier for braviary to sweep. Be wary of Disable + Perish Trap, it will completely ruin Braviary and render him useless.

Team Options
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This set absolutely HATES status, so Safeguard or things that can kill most status users are good partners, Cress can setup Safeguard and Kyurem-B can kill most status users. This set also LOVES Follow Me/Rage Powder support, Amoongus and Togekiss are the best options here, Amoongus gets Spore which is always a threat while Togekiss has more offensive presence and can setup Tailwind. This set also appreciates any sort of priority on it's side, so Scizor, Azumarill etc. are all good options.


Other Options
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You can run TR Braviary, just remove all speed EVs, use Brave and get 0IVs on speed, another option is Bulk Up instead of Protect in Bulky Twind, the scouting capability of Protect is better, but the extra power and bulk from Bulk Up is also really appreciated.
A scarfed set with Sky Drop is also viable, but without the extra power from band Braviary wont be killing that many things, so a scarfed set must be used mostly for revenge killing or neutralizing stuff for a turn with Sky Drop.
Braviary also gets some Shadow Claw and Rock Slide, which can be used instead of Superpower if you have enough coverage vs Rock and Steel types.


Checks & Counters
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**Offensive Typing Advantage**: Max Def Politoed and Suicune can come in on any attack and either try to get a burn with Scald or do heavy damage with Ice Beam. Rock/Electric Types can come in on STAB moves (Electrics cant come in on Return tho) and do heavy damage afterwards with their respective STABs, notable mentions are Thundurus, Rotom-W, Terrakion, Tyranitar, Zapdos and Rotom-H.

**Speed**: Braviary is really slow, and when outside of TWind it is very prone to being killed by anything faster, notable mentions are Genesect, Kyurem-B, Talonflame, Thundurus, Keldeo and Mamoswine.

**Status**: Any sort of status really hurts Braviary, Thundurus and Rotom-W can take a BB and Twave/WoW it, making him offensively useless for the rest of the match.
 
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It needs to be in bullet points. Once you get two QC checks, then you can write it up.

My advise to you would be to put the written analysis under a "Hide" tag, write this up in Bullet point form, then once you've gotten 2 QC Checks you can pull out your written analysis and add what QC suggested.
 
It needs to be in bullet points. Once you get two QC checks, then you can write it up.

My advise to you would be to put the written analysis under a "Hide" tag, write this up in Bullet point form, then once you've gotten 2 QC Checks you can pull out your written analysis and add what QC suggested.
k tnks Luxray
 
Just to save you the trouble, just do the first set for now. The second one is outclassed by many Offensive Birds in doubles. In fact, the only niche the first set has over Thundurus is Brave Bird + Item > Itemless + Acrobatics.

Edit: WHOOPS TORNADUS
 
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Just to save you the trouble, just do the first set for now. The second one is outclassed by many Offensive Birds in doubles. In fact, the only niche the first set has over Thundurus is Brave Bird + Item > Itemless + Acrobatics.
How is that the only niche that Braviary has over thundurus? What about setting up Tailwind? And having more attack? Why is Brave Bird + Item the only niche over Defiant thundurus?
 
21:14 Pwnegone: !learn tornadus, tailwind
21:14 TIBot: Tornadus can learn Tailwind.

21:14 Pwnegone: !learn tornadus, superpower
21:14 TIBot: Tornadus can learn Superpower, only when obtained from: Gen 5

trading 5 more atk for 31 less speed = worth

braviary's only niche is being able to hit harder and having a secondary STAB so it can beat rotom-w without dropping its attack. Don't oversell it.
 
21:14 Pwnegone: !learn tornadus, tailwind
21:14 TIBot: Tornadus can learn Tailwind.

21:14 Pwnegone: !learn tornadus, superpower
21:14 TIBot: Tornadus can learn Superpower, only when obtained from: Gen 5

trading 5 more atk for 31 less speed = worth

braviary's only niche is being able to hit harder and having a secondary STAB so it can beat rotom-w without dropping its attack. Don't oversell it.
Lolk actually said Thundurus so I was confused lol, and yes pwne, you're right.
 
ah nice typo lolk you dumbarse

edit: i must confess you've done a fine job not overselling it now that i read the thread, you had me worried after your rambling in the ps room
 
Not QC so feel free to ignore me.
  • Shadow Claw isn't really worth a mention, even in OO, it's weak af unSTAB and hits most Ghost-types for less damage than BRAVE BIRD. The only relevant ghost you're hitting for more damage is Aegislash and you can't even 3HKO that if it has a sitrus. This mon is best left to teammates.
  • In usage tips, a mention of disable / perish trap is a little too specific. This isn't a hugely common strategy on the ladder so it isn't worth bringing up.
  • Mention Blizzard spam in checks and counters, aboma / kyurem and the gang
  • Yache Berry in OO
  • I wouldn't mention Toge in team options, it shares too many weaknesses with Braviary. Amoong is good because it resists electric and can tank and spore the odd ice-type
  • Charti Berry helps deal with unsuspecting Lando-T or Excadrill
  • in set details say why a sitrus is used
  • under moves say when you would chose superpower over return, for example if you struggle with TTar or Tran
kinda lame check in a horrible order to work with but w/e
just some things to think about
 
Not QC so feel free to ignore me.
  • Shadow Claw isn't really worth a mention, even in OO, it's weak af unSTAB and hits most Ghost-types for less damage than BRAVE BIRD. The only relevant ghost you're hitting for more damage is Aegislash and you can't even 3HKO that if it has a sitrus. This mon is best left to teammates.
  • In usage tips, a mention of disable / perish trap is a little too specific. This isn't a hugely common strategy on the ladder so it isn't worth bringing up.
  • Mention Blizzard spam in checks and counters, aboma / kyurem and the gang
  • Yache Berry in OO
  • I wouldn't mention Toge in team options, it shares too many weaknesses with Braviary. Amoong is good because it resists electric and can tank and spore the odd ice-type
  • Charti Berry helps deal with unsuspecting Lando-T or Excadrill
  • in set details say why a sitrus is used
  • under moves say when you would chose superpower over return, for example if you struggle with TTar or Tran
kinda lame check in a horrible order to work with but w/e
just some things to think about
tnks m8 :3
EDIT. All done
 
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"12 Def are there so he can take Rock Slides and Stone Edges better." <--- what exactly does that even mean? i could use 252 sdef abomasnow to take fire blasts better, but without actually living a specific benchmark it's kinda pointless. honestly i remain unconvinced that this Pokemon even deserves an analysis, and the niche that Pwnemon pointed out about Rotom-Wash (which really is its only niche) is not enough, especially when Torn can use Knock Off or U-turn to wear down Rotom-Wash and break through it later while remaining a much better Pokemon.

qc reject
 
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Since mizu gave me the to ahead I'm movin this to locked & outdated. This thing just really doesn't deserve an analysis. Hopefully you'll have better luck with a future writeup Roxer123
 
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