Breloom sweep team

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Hey, I'm pretty new to the realm of competitive pokemon battling, and I finally built a team that I think is solid, but maybe not doing as well as I think it should. Obviously I'm missing something. Perhaps you guys could help me out? It would be greatly appreciated :D

I know a lot of Rate My Team threads have nifty little pictures, and I apologize for my lack thereof. I may or may not be too lazy to actually upload them.

Skarmory (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Naive Nature (+Spe, -SpD)
- Spikes
- Brave Bird
- Torment
- Stealth Rocks

This Skarmory is something I made myself. I really wanted a lead that could set up both Stealth Rocks and Spikes, as my Hippowdon is dependent upon entry hazards to be successful (although I may change that). It's a suicide lead that is almost guaranteed to set up stealth rocks and at least one layer of spikes. So far I've been really successful with this for the most part, and I've even been able to set up 3 layers of Spikes and then KO my opponent's lead before. I've been happy with this suicide lead Skarm.

Magnezone @ Salac Berry
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 28 HP/ 252 Spe/ 252 SpAtk
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice or Grass]
- Explosion
- Charge Beam
- Flash Cannon

Magnezone is a pokemon that I'm on the fence about. It seems that in every battle I've been in, he's either useless, or a huge game changer. He's my answer to irritating ground types (which I have a huge inability to attack effectively) with his hidden power, and, if they get irritating enough, explosion. I went with Charge Beam over Thunderbolt because I like the SpAtk boost to Magnezone's already awesome SpAtk stat. Flash Cannon has been a boon to this set, helping take down pokemon who resist Charge Beam.

Hippowdon (F) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Def/ 252 SpDef
Careful Nature (+SpDef, -SpAtk)
- Slack Off
- Toxic
- Stockpile
- Roar

This is my last line of defense. If I have no other choice, I send out my favorite tank in the game, Stockpilodon. This thing is godly, and has won me so many rounds that I would otherwise have lost. Slack Off for instant recovery, which is really handy while I'm setting up his Stockpiles. Toxic is to help take out any pokemon he is facing slowly but surely. Stockpile to make him absolutely IMPENETRABLE. My 3 Stockpile Hippowdon took an Ice Beam from a Vaporeon for 20% damage. Beast, I freakin love this thing. Roar is to roar enemies into Stealth Rocks and Spikes, which can be devastating, although I've been thinking about switching out Roar for Earthquake. What do you think?

Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 Atk/ 6 Def/ 252 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpAtk)
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Seed Bomb

This monster is my sweeper. Breloom has swept entire teams for me, and I wouldn't trade him for the world. This has topped Infernape as my favorite sweeper in the entire game. It's a standard Subpuncher set, but it's extremely effective. Poison Heal is an awesome ability, and helps prolong Breloom's life. This Breloom's sweeping capabilities are best brought to light by my next poke, Gliscor though.

Gliscor (M) @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Spe/ 6 SpDef
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Baton Pass
- Earthquake

This thing is what makes my Breloom even more awesome than it usually is. Because of this thing's amazing typing and bulkiness, I'm routinely able to get off multiple Swords Dances, which I then Baton Pass to Breloom. Earthquake exists on this Gliscor just to get damage on something if I really need to, or as backup in case my attackers go down, otherwise I just leave that up to Breloom.

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpAtk)
- Crunch
- Thunderpunch
- Superpower
- Stone Edge

Tyranitar is quite possibly my favorite pokemon overall. I mean, just look at it, the thing would be horrifying to face IRL, amirite? This thing has amazing stats, and, if I really wanted to, I could Baton Pass those Swords Dances over to Tyranitar and cause about as much havoc as I could with my Breloom (although Choice Scarf limits that capability considerably). The main deviation from the standard Scarftar that I've made is the addition of Thunderpunch, which has come in handy a few times.
 
If you want to baon pass to breloom on a ragular basis I would suggest a different but still effective moveset.

I would change focus punch to mach punch and substitute to sword dance. This could save you two things one allow for a strong priority move and allow you to free up some moves on gliscor. THis set doesn't have the monsterous attack of focus punch but you almost always get a very solid hit in. In my expierience this is the better set for taking care of faster pokemon but it's your team.

Also may I suggest heatran with hp Grass instead of magnezone. His typing goes perfectly with breloom and they make a nice partnership. But doing so causes you severe pain from bulky waters. DO you have issues with swampert on this team? Also your team seems a little weak to Dragons to me.
 
Nighthawkmk2 said:
If you want to baon pass to breloom on a ragular basis I would suggest a different but still effective moveset.

I would change focus punch to mach punch and substitute to sword dance. This could save you two things one allow for a strong priority move and allow you to free up some moves on gliscor. THis set doesn't have the monsterous attack of focus punch but you almost always get a very solid hit in. In my expierience this is the better set for taking care of faster pokemon but it's your team.

Also may I suggest heatran with hp Grass instead of magnezone. His typing goes perfectly with breloom and they make a nice partnership. But doing so causes you severe pain from bulky waters. DO you have issues with swampert on this team? Also your team seems a little weak to Dragons to me.
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Ummm what? you're just suggesting a set change for no reason other then to free up spots that are the main basis of another pokemon. Gliscor's purpose (on this team) is to baton pass and you're suggesting to change that. I think baton pass gliscor is fine (sorry to the other guy i was kinda harsh) but i would suggest rock polish over earthquake. This is because breloom with extra power is nice, but it really benifits from speed. This is my only suggestion for now, Im going to go eat dinner, sorry if it didn't help much im not that good at this.
 
firecape01 said:
Ummm what? you're just suggesting a set change for no reason other then to free up spots that are the main basis of another pokemon. Gliscor's purpose (on this team) is to baton pass and you're suggesting to change that. I think baton pass gliscor is fine (sorry to the other guy i was kinda harsh) but i would suggest rock polish over earthquake. This is because breloom with extra power is nice, but it really benifits from speed. This is my only suggestion for now, Im going to go eat dinner, sorry if it didn't help much im not that good at this.
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Yes I am suggesting that he change up the set and kind of ruin gliscor's purpose on this team. Breloom can use sword dance on his own and can get his attack up way higher than focus punch can provide. This way breloom doesn't have to sponge the attack on the baton pass from gliscor, most attacks aimed at gliscor are going to hit breloom for atleast neutral damage anyway and breloom generally can't afford that. Also he won't have to risk using focus punch or having too little health to use subsititute. Also the same problem of low speed still exists.

Maybe you could do the baton passing with rock polish and turn him into a speed sporer with sword dance and spore that'd be nice atleast for my purposes.

But as I would like to admit I am not commenting because I am particularly good I am commenting because I have been using breloom for a very long time.
 
Swampert isn't a huge problem. Breloom packing Seed Bomb is enough to deal with him most of the time. And if that isn't the case, I usually end up packing Hidden Power Grass on Magnezone most of the time (although it seems I almost always need Ice when I'm carrying Grass >:| )

Also, the Gliscor actually SHOULD have Rock Polish on him... I just effed up his move set and didn't remember to change it lawlawlawl :P
 
you really lack something to deal with stel types and Sub Heatran realy huts your team hard.
I think that a Gyarados over your Magnetzone is a good hoice since Gyarados can actually switch into ground moves and has a super effective STAB to hit them hard with.

If you are passing boosts to Breloom then I would run 3 attack moves on it. the spore Puncher (in my view) does not need attack boosts and such like. If you run more damaing attacks then the boosts can actualy be more usefull to Breloom.

I also think that Skarmory should have roost over Torment. This is because if you want Skarmory to get both SR and Spikes down then you need recovery to make this happen.

Have a Nice Day!
 
ginganinja said:
you really lack something to deal with stel types and Sub Heatran realy huts your team hard.
I think that a Gyarados over your Magnetzone is a good hoice since Gyarados can actually switch into ground moves and has a super effective STAB to hit them hard with.

If you are passing boosts to Breloom then I would run 3 attack moves on it. the spore Puncher (in my view) does not need attack boosts and such like. If you run more damaing attacks then the boosts can actualy be more usefull to Breloom.

I also think that Skarmory should have roost over Torment. This is because if you want Skarmory to get both SR and Spikes down then you need recovery to make this happen.

Have a Nice Day!
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To deal with Steel types I have Earthquake on Gliscor and Superpower on Scarftar. Gliscor outpaces Heatran and hits for the 4x damage.

Gyarados sounds like a wonderful addition tbh. He'd really allow me to hit Ground types effectively, what move set would you recommend?

I'll take the Breloom advice into consideration... Although instead of getting a new move set, I think I'll just Baton Pass to Gyarados or someone else.

Skarmory has torment in case he meets a lead who tries to set up multiple layers of Spikes. Just today I ran into a Skarmory lead and the taunt helped considerably. He set up one layer and then just roared me into Breloom, which he happened to be unprepared for, and once I set up a spore and a sub I swept 6-0 :D
 
You have absolutely nothing to take Heatran's STAB Fire Blast, and Tyranitar really doesnt want to be constantly absorbing those in fear of Earth Power. I also don't really like Hippo on your team, because he makes your entire team Taunt bait for Gliscor which can beat your ScarfTar 1v1 on most of his moves and take on the rest of your team bar Gyara (which he can Toxic). Maybe replace him with a Offensive Suicune which can sweep with Calm Mind and has enough bulk to withstand many hits
TImid 252SpA/252Spe/4Def
Surf/Ice Beam/HP Electric/Calm MInd

Also, replace Zone with TauntDDGyara

He pairs well with Breloom to act as a solid offensive core, taking Fire and physical attacks aimed at Breloom while Breloom takes Electric and Rock types

I'm aware that you now have 3 Mon's weak to electric, but Breloom and Gliscor can somewhat alleviate this issue
Good luck
 
HeiSe said:
You have absolutely nothing to take Heatran's STAB Fire Blast, and Tyranitar really doesnt want to be constantly absorbing those in fear of Earth Power. I also don't really like Hippo on your team, because he makes your entire team Taunt bait for Gliscor which can beat your ScarfTar 1v1 on most of his moves and take on the rest of your team bar Gyara (which he can Toxic). Maybe replace him with a Offensive Suicune which can sweep with Calm Mind and has enough bulk to withstand many hits
TImid 252SpA/252Spe/4Def
Surf/Ice Beam/HP Electric/Calm MInd

Also, replace Zone with TauntDDGyara

He pairs well with Breloom to act as a solid offensive core, taking Fire and physical attacks aimed at Breloom while Breloom takes Electric and Rock types

I'm aware that you now have 3 Mon's weak to electric, but Breloom and Gliscor can somewhat alleviate this issue
Good luck
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Would using Suicune and Gyarados require some form of Wish support?

I just tested this team out with the Taunt DD Gyarados and a Subcune set for Suicune, and Suicune wasn't very useful, and Gyarados took quite a bit of damage (hence the question about Wish support) and wasn't really able to be tested properly since he got the burn hax :((((((((

I looked at potential recovery moves and neither had a great one besides Rest. I am not a huge fan of Sleeptalking sets though, I used to run a Sleeptalk Snorlax and it seemed the Sleep Talk always chose the worst possible move.
 
Sorry the Gyarados I suggested is BulkyDos

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Intimidate
Adament
156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge/Bounce

The EVs allow you to survive 2 LO Heatran Fire Blasts after SR so it has the bulk to help your team. This varient of Gyarados does not need Wish Support so much.

Have a NIce Day!
 
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