Bronzong! Hippowdon! Gliscor!

mirage_drag0n

Which is better against Salamence, Rhyperior, Garchomp and Hippowdon, and also at a lesser extent Gyarados?
Please tell me either Bronzong, Hippowdon, Gliscor or some other Pokemon and the reason.

Thanks.
 
No non-uber in the game is going to beat all of those Pokemon. If you need one Pokemon to do it, you should revise your team.
 
Bronzong with Levitate basically resists all their moves unless it's a special Salamence, and Gyarados' Waterfall.

Moveset wise who knows I'm just saying Bronzong resist their crap.

I guess EQ/Rock Slide can super effective them all besides Hippowdown but I doubt Bronzongs would do a whole lot.
If it can even learn those. >_o
 
Turismo2029 said:
Bronzong can basically wall them all.
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Bronzong can't wall Garchomp, Salamence or Gyarados. It also can't do anything to them unless it has HP Ice or Charge Beam, respectively. It might get to put one of them to sleep with Hypnosis, but if Gyarados has Taunt then Bronzong is screwed.
 
Cresselia will do you some good against those but i suggest revisng your team like misty says if you need one pkmn to counter all of those
 
Absolutely. Cresselia in fact is one heck of a wall, it's weak point is the lack of a RELIABLE recovery move. Or you can try a RestTalk set if you like.
 
Is this set good enough in a team with Gyarados, Infernape, Electivire, Bronzong and Heracross:

 Cresselia
Timid, 6 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
 @Leftovers
Calm Mind
Psychic
Ice Beam
Charge Beam

And should I swap charge beam with grass knot? Though that will leave my WHOLE team vulnerable to Gyarados and Manaphy!
 
I'd say Cresselia/Gliscor. Because

Brongong- Hit hard By Garchomps Flamethrower/Fire Blast, Special Salamence, and Can't do much to them.

Hippodon- Helps Rhyperior and garchomp, Stab can't hit Salamence or Gyrados.
 
I guess your right. But then how do I deal with fighting types like Infernape, which my whole team is vulnerable to. Or even without psychic, Cresselia can beat it?
 
If your whole team is vunerable to fighting types, then I suggest (like Misty) to revise your team. Infernape and Heracross are two common sweepers, both of which normally carry Close Combat, and get STAB, making it 180 Base Power. Heracross can take on Cress with Night Slash. Infernape, I'm not so sure about, but possibly a Nasty Plot'd Flamethrower/Grass Knot could do some damage.
 
Infernape typically isn't getting through Cresselia no matter what set it has, but none of the above pokemon you want to use on your team are going to do a thing about Heracross, who is only countered by, of the pokemon mentioned so far, Gliscor and (to a lesser extent) Gyarados.

I'd therefore lean towards some combination of Cresselia/Gyarados/Electivire/Gliscor/Infernape/Heracross, though you will have trouble with SpecsMence with this team.
 
No, it's not completely vulnerable to fighting types. If you don't know, my team includes, gyarados, infernape, bronzong, electivire and heracross and I think they aren't vulnerable to fighting types. I just don't know what should be my Cresselia's moveset.

If I get rid of psychic, I "might" (yes only might) get pawned by Infernape. It still needs to take a while to kill me anyway and I might kill it after a calm mind with charge beam.

If I get rid of ice beam, i'll die to garchomp and salamence

If I get rid of Charge Beam, I'll lose to Gyarados and other water types (that aren't killed by Grass Knot like Manaphy)...
 
This is turning into a thinly-veiled RMT — you'd be better off gathering your thoughts, formatting them and posting them in an actual RMT. That said, as I pointed out above, you're going to have trouble with Salamence either way, and if you really plan on using gyara/ape/vire/hera/cress/zong then Tyranitar will walk all over you.
 
Rest/Sleep Talk/Ice Beam/Charge Beam takes care of all of them to an extent. Rhyperior can Megahorn it to death though.
 
Yeah, starmie can hit them all, but it doesn't wall anything.

Bronzong works, but it takes fairly heavy damage from Fire fang. It does wall Ryperior and Hippopowdon incredibly well. Using hypnosis on the switch works. Cresselia will benefit your team the most. It can wall, especially with a HP recovering move.
 
yeah some sort of Death Star\specs set with thunderbolt surf icebeam and grassknot will dominate them, and most of the time those pokes wont be staying in anyways, most likely switching to weavile or CBtar for pursuit
 
I'm starting to dislike Bronzong more and more for some reason. I love using it's levitate with it's amazing typing for switch ins, but it's a pain in the ass to use when all it does is sit there and hypnosis. It's fairly easy to set up on and it doesn't wall as much as some of the other walls with much worse typing can, mostly because of no recovery other than rest/talk.

As for your problem, I'd go with Cresselia and Skarmory, but you still could have some problems since you'll have to decide on whether to go with Spec. Defensive or physically defensive Cressy. Cressy's recovery isn't all that bad. In sandstorm, yeah you only heal 33% but you can still pull that off during switch ins.

Imo, you should go for Gyara/Cressy/Skarmory/ and the rest is up to you. Gyara's mostly there to help out with Hera to an extent.
 
Well a better set would be this:
Cresselia
Bold, 252 HP / 120 Special Attack / 138 Special Defence
@Leftovers
Rest/Moonlight/Reflect
Sleep Talk/Thunder Wave
Ice Beam
Charge Beam
If you can help me decide the moves and evs.
 
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