Bulky Offense - LizardMan style.

[Warped Worlds]

This is my Bulky Offense team. I have to give credit to Silent Storm though, for being a major help to the base of this team. =)

Heatran@Shuca Berry
Nature:Timid
Ability:Flash Fire
6HP/252SpA/252Spe
-Fire Blast
-Will-O-Wisp/Explosion
-Earth Power
-Stealth Rock

Heatran is easily one of the best leads out there right now. It checks the fire weakness this team has, and lays rocks quite reliably early in the match. Fire Blast and Earth Power provide decent coverage overall, while Will-O-Wisp is good for later in the game. Explosion is my other option, but I usually feel I must preserve Heatran for later in the game to sponge hits. EV's are standard. I chose not to use a Machamp lead, or a 4 attack Metagross lead or something simply because of how important Stealth Rock is right now, and the fact that Bulky Offense doesn't want Suicide leads. I wanted a bulky rock lead to take hits, dish them out himself, and to lay rocks quite reliably early in the game. Heatran is good in that respect.

Lucario@Life Orb
Nature:Jolly
Ability:Inner Focus
252Atk/6Def/252Spe
-Crunch
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Extreme Speed

The pokemon this team is built around. Lucario is easily one of the most broken sweepers in OU right now. With one of the strongest priority moves available in the 4th Gen, Swords Dance, Close Combat, not too much can stop Lucario. Crunch provides perfect coverage alongside Close Combat, and is a strong weapon against the run of the mill Rotom forms. Jolly Lucario also has a chance of beating max speed Timid Suicunes, Mamoswines without relying on Extremespeed or Bullet punch, and the team seems pretty weak to those tbh. Sure, I lose out on the OHKO's on Swampert, Skarmory, and such... but I have ways to deal with those guys on the team. EV's are standard.

Gliscor@Leftovers
Nature:Jolly
Ability:Sand Veil
252HP/36Def/220Spe
-Toxic
-Roost
-Taunt
-Earthquake

Gliscor is my Lucario check, an efficient way to check stall and Tyranitar as well. Not too many walls would enjoy being hit by Toxic, Taunt breaks stall pretty well and checks Curselax and such. Earthquake is your STAB, and what a great STAB it is? It beats two major threats to this team, Lucario and Tyranitar. Roost is to heal, and do its job again and again. Sand Veil makes this guy... really annoying. With Tar being on around 25-30% of teams, alot of the time, this guy will be getting alot of free turns. I run the standard EV's, but an extra 4 in speed for other Gliscor who just runs the bog standard spread. Gliscor, is batman, except he can actually fly. He has a ground resist!

Scizor@Choice Band
Nature:Adamant
Ability:Technician
224HP/252Atk/32Spe
-Bullet Punch
-U-Turn
-Pursuit
-Superpower

Scizor is pretty much my revenge killer, trapper, and scout. Techinician STAB Bullet Punch allows Scizor to revenge kill most of the metagame if the aforementioned pokemon is considerably weakened. U-Turn is a strong move against Celebi, is your other STAB, and lets you scout and rip your opponents team apart. Pursuit is for trapping Latias, Blissey, etc, and gets pumped up by Technician. Superpower is for steel types, which wall this set. The EV's are standard, except I run extra speed for other Scizor for when they are considerably weakened, and things that are geared to outrun minimum speed Scizor I guess. Scizor. It is also a check for Latias, Mence, Tyranitar, and other things.

Latias@Life Orb
Nature:Timid
Ability:Levitate
6HP/252SpA/252Spe
-Surf
-Recover
-Dragon Pulse
-Hidden Power Fire

Latias is a way this team can beat Gliscor, is a reliable attacker early game, and a way to lure Scizor in and beat it with Hidden Power Fire. It has a fire/ground resist, which are help to the defensive core. Dragon Pulse is a solid reliable STAB move, Surf is for great neural coverage, and a weapon against Heatran. Hidden Power Fire hits steels hard, and beats Scizor, and specially defensive Forretress thinking it can take Latias. The Latias is Pursuit bait to Scarf Tar, which allows me to wreck havoc with Lucario with something locked into Pursuit, etc. It also helps me deal with Skarmory if Heatran goes down. It is a check for Heatran, Infernape, and Mix Mence as well.

Celebi@Life Orb
Nature:Modest
Ability:Natural Cure
232HP/224SpA/32Spe
-Recover
-Leaf Storm
-Thunder Wave
-Hidden Power Fire

Celebi is a great check to Gyarados, is a bulky special attacker, spreads status to help a sweep, and lures Scizor in to kill it with Hidden Power Fire. It is quite bulky, powerful, which will catch opponents off guard if they expect a more defensive Celebi. It beats Swampert, most Suicune, Vaporeon, and more. Leaf Storm tears hard into things that don't resist it, and hits Tyranitar hard. It is also Pursuit bait for Lucario to have a party. Tinkerbell is a great pokemon.

Any suggestions guys, or any weaknesses that you see? I seem to have a Bounce Gyarados weakness. Will probably replace the current Latias with Spec'd Latias just because of how it rips teams wide open.

 

[SandslashPWNS]

Since I see you have a huge Rotom weakness, my suggestion is quick and simple. Change Celebi's item to Leftovers. Bulky Offense is supposed to utilize lures through awkward movesets. If you have Leftovers on Celebi, you're more likely to catch a quick OHKO on Rotom who don't suspect you to be the Tinkerbell set since you have lefties. This will also lure in Scizors more, while you can HP Fire them to back where they came. Good luck.

 

[Boondocker]

If a gengar comes in on gliscor and has the moves substitute, hp fire, shadow ball, and focus blast it can 6-0 you. Also starmie can give you huge promlems. So i suggest a special wall over celebi, either blissey or snorlax.

 

[Epic Cherubi]

If a gengar comes in on gliscor and has the moves substitute, hp fire, shadow ball, and focus blast it can 6-0 you.

It doesn't even need HP Fire. If anything the ones that don't run HP Fire rape him even harder since they don't speed tie with Latias. Scizor takes a massive 60.53% - 71.51% from Life Orb Focus Blast. Should Scizor switch in on a sub Gengar can just use Pain Split, healing itself back to full HP (assuming both pokes have taken Steath Rock damage) and stripping enough HP from Scizor to have it KOed by the follow up Focus Blast. Nothing else on your team will survive a hit except Celebi some of the time, and he is dead after Stealth Rocks. -4 Celebi won't even break Gengar's Subs. -2 HP Fire also won't break his Subs.

Hmm.. You said you are Bounce Gyarados weak but Ice Fang Gyarados also beats you. +1 Ice Fang deals 73.68% - 87.22% to your Celebi. Latias also will die in one hit, it doesn't even need Life Orb to KO. You do have Lucario and Scizor so as long as you can keep the pressure on it it won't.. uhh.. ALWAYS 6-0 you but it will more than likely turn the tide of battle against you. Who cares it Gyarados dies when it takes three pokemon dead to do so :(

Mmm.. Agility Metagross could pose a problem with Ice Punch. Celebi and Scizor are the only things that will stand in its way and both are easily KOed if they drop in health too much. But its probably not a big issue.

You have no way of breaking stall besides maybe Explosion or a late game Lucario sweep. To be honest I don't see enough offense to ever weaken well played stall enough so Lucario ever can sweep. Gliscor breaks stall decently I guess, but its not like he'll wipe out a whole team.

I don't see too much else! You could scarf Heatran and give it HP Electric to beat Gyarados and Gengar (sort of). Scarf Heatran leads about as well as Shuca tran but remains useful at low HP. Fire Blast / Earth Power / HP Electric.. then make the choice between HP Electric and Stealth Rocks.

 

[Setsuna]

I seem to have a Bounce Gyarados weakness. Will probably replace the current Latias with Spec'd Latias just because of how it rips teams wide open.

The thing is that this doesn't make any difference. In fact you'd become more Bounce Gyarados weak if you go with Specs on Latias, since that'll only give Gyarados more opportunities to set up on things like Surf, for example.

To start off, having mentioned Gyarados just a couple of lines above, the first recommendation I want to give is to change Celebi's spread and place a big portion of SpA EVs into Defense, specifically the following: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe with Leftovers. In order to counter DD Gyarados and have a reliable check for any of its variants, this is the spread that you need, and the following moves as well: Grass Knot / Thunder Wave / Reflect / Recover. If you have a close glance at the team, you will see that it is already quite offensive, that Latias can dispose of Scizor in the same way Celebi will attempt to, and also that Gyarados can OHKO the current Celebi with Bounce 100% of the time after 1 DD and Life Orb -- even without LO, a +1 Bounce from BulkyGyarados can OHKO Tinkerbell Celebi if it has received some previous damage already. However, by using Defensive Celebi and Reflect you will not only prevent Gyarados from destroying your team, but having a more defensively complemented set is another plus this variant takes with (which is exactly what Bulky Offensive teams look for, preferably).

On the other hand, I would also like to suggest a new spread for Scizor, since it looks like you could found yourself having troubles with the likes of LO Gengar and LO Starmie if Scizor and Latias, respectively, faint. Although Scizor can't always act as a check for those two offensive variants of Gengar and Starmie, it can indeed revenge kill them both while being at good health. The only real way Scizor can accomplish this is by using a spread such as: 168 HP / 176 Atk / 160 SpD / 4 Spe, which will permit him to survive two consecutive Draco Meteor from SpecsLatias, and an Hydro Pump from LO Starmie factoring in SR damage.
On Gliscor, I highly suggest using a Jolly nature, just to make sure you'll always outspeed the uncommon Jolly Lucario and also tie with opposing Gliscors and get the Taunt/Toxic first.

Good team overall, gl.

 

[Warped Worlds]

Since I see you have a huge Rotom weakness, my suggestion is quick and simple. Change Celebi's item to Leftovers. Bulky Offense is supposed to utilize lures through awkward movesets. If you have Leftovers on Celebi, you're more likely to catch a quick OHKO on Rotom who don't suspect you to be the Tinkerbell set since you have lefties. This will also lure in Scizors more, while you can HP Fire them to back where they came. Good luck.

I will consider this. Thanks.

If a gengar comes in on gliscor and has the moves substitute, hp fire, shadow ball, and focus blast it can 6-0 you. Also starmie can give you huge promlems. So i suggest a special wall over celebi, either blissey or snorlax.

Yeah... I didn't notice that weakness until now. =(

It is a rough draft, so yeah. I will probably use a specially defensive Scizor or something.

It doesn't even need HP Fire. If anything the ones that don't run HP Fire rape him even harder since they don't speed tie with Latias. Scizor takes a massive 60.53% - 71.51% from Life Orb Focus Blast. Should Scizor switch in on a sub Gengar can just use Pain Split, healing itself back to full HP (assuming both pokes have taken Steath Rock damage) and stripping enough HP from Scizor to have it KOed by the follow up Focus Blast. Nothing else on your team will survive a hit except Celebi some of the time, and he is dead after Stealth Rocks. -4 Celebi won't even break Gengar's Subs. -2 HP Fire also won't break his Subs.

Hmm.. You said you are Bounce Gyarados weak but Ice Fang Gyarados also beats you. +1 Ice Fang deals 73.68% - 87.22% to your Celebi. Latias also will die in one hit, it doesn't even need Life Orb to KO. You do have Lucario and Scizor so as long as you can keep the pressure on it it won't.. uhh.. ALWAYS 6-0 you but it will more than likely turn the tide of battle against you. Who cares it Gyarados dies when it takes three pokemon dead to do so :(

Mmm.. Agility Metagross could pose a problem with Ice Punch. Celebi and Scizor are the only things that will stand in its way and both are easily KOed if they drop in health too much. But its probably not a big issue.

You have no way of breaking stall besides maybe Explosion or a late game Lucario sweep. To be honest I don't see enough offense to ever weaken well played stall enough so Lucario ever can sweep. Gliscor breaks stall decently I guess, but its not like he'll wipe out a whole team.

I don't see too much else! You could scarf Heatran and give it HP Electric to beat Gyarados and Gengar (sort of). Scarf Heatran leads about as well as Shuca tran but remains useful at low HP. Fire Blast / Earth Power / HP Electric.. then make the choice between HP Electric and Stealth Rocks.

Gengar weakness! D:

I don't see Ice Fang Gyarados much nowadays. IIRC it is no longer in the analysis, but yes it does wreck this team. Agility Gross rarely runs Ice Punch, but with Ice Punch it would be gg for me late game.

I will try Scarfed Heatran, and I never used this team against stall yet. Thanks much for the rate Emily! ^_^

The thing is that this doesn't make any difference. In fact you'd become more Bounce Gyarados weak if you go with Specs on Latias, since that'll only give Gyarados more opportunities to set up on things like Surf, for example.

To start off, having mentioned Gyarados just a couple of lines above, the first recommendation I want to give is to change Celebi's spread and place a big portion of SpA EVs into Defense, specifically the following: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe with Leftovers. In order to counter DD Gyarados and have a reliable check for any of its variants, this is the spread that you need, and the following moves as well: Grass Knot / Thunder Wave / Reflect / Recover. If you have a close glance at the team, you will see that it is already quite offensive, that Latias can dispose of Scizor in the same way Celebi will attempt to, and also that Gyarados can OHKO the current Celebi with Bounce 100% of the time after 1 DD and Life Orb -- even without LO, a +1 Bounce from BulkyGyarados can OHKO Tinkerbell Celebi if it has received some previous damage already. However, by using Defensive Celebi and Reflect you will not only prevent Gyarados from destroying your team, but having a more defensively complemented set is another plus this variant takes with (which is exactly what Bulky Offensive teams look for, preferably).

On the other hand, I would also like to suggest a new spread for Scizor, since it looks like you could found yourself having troubles with the likes of LO Gengar and LO Starmie if Scizor and Latias, respectively, faint. Although Scizor can't always act as a check for those two offensive variants of Gengar and Starmie, it can indeed revenge kill them both while being at good health. The only real way Scizor can accomplish this is by using a spread such as: 168 HP / 176 Atk / 160 SpD / 4 Spe, which will permit him to survive two consecutive Draco Meteor from SpecsLatias, and an Hydro Pump from LO Starmie factoring in SR damage.
On Gliscor, I highly suggest using a Jolly nature, just to make sure you'll always outspeed the uncommon Jolly Lucario and also tie with opposing Gliscors and get the Taunt/Toxic first.

Good team overall, gl.

I like the specially defensive Scizor idea, and will try out the different Celebi. Thanks much for the rate. =)

 

[Snorlaxe]

Hi LizardMan,

Cool team, but as with most bulky offense teams, you have problems with Dragon Dancers, specifically DD Salamence and Gyarados. While both of these Pokemon can be problematic, you at least have Scizor for Salamence; for Gyarados, the only Pokemon you have who stands a chance against Gyarados is Celebi. Unfortunately, many DDDos carry Bounce, and so will have little problem breaking past Celebi, particularly if Celebi was already weakened. While a bit situational, Substitute Gengar will also do quite a number to you. I think that the best way to fix all of these weaknesses would be to simply change Latias' set to a Choice Scarf variant:

Latias @ Choice Scarf
Timid nature | 4 HP | 252 SpA | 252 Spe
Draco Meteor | Surf | Thunderbolt | Trick

Scarf Latias is a bit risky with all the ScarfTar running around, but oh well...at least Lucario can set up on ones locked into Pursuit. Anyway, Scarf Latias can outspeed and KO Gengar with Draco Meteor, and can also outspeed Gyarados and Salamence at +1 and OHKO them with Thunderbolt and Draco Meteor respectively. Overall, Scarf Latias solves all of your main problems, so I think she's worth a try.

I would also try a few changes on Lucario. I would switch Crunch to Bullet Punch, firstly. Crunch has no place on Lucario anymore imo considering that it doesn't do that much even at +2 to defensive Rotom-A (who will just burn you the next turn). Bullet Punch, on the other hand, serves as a great weapon against ScarfTar (not to mention Gengar), who otherwise stops it cold. I would also advise you to go for an Adamant nature over your current Jolly one. Adamant allows you to always OHKO ScarfTar and Life Orb Gengar with Bullet Punch after a Swords Dance and Stealth Rock damage, and just allows for more power in general.

Anyway I see that you are in a bit of a dilemma as whether or not to use Will-O-Wisp or Explosion on Heatran. I would advise you to always use Will-O-Wisp if only for the reason that burn support is quite wonderful on bulky offense teams like yours. While Explosion is helpful for blowing up on a last-ditch threat, you say that you tend to play conservatively with Heatran, and so I think that it would be more beneficial for your team to keep it around until lategame so it can burn things.

Good team overall, good luck! ;)

 

[Epic Cherubi]

Ice Fang is more common than Bounce. Gyarados has a 33.2% chance of running Ice Fang or Bounce.

Scarfing Latias or making Celebi bulky would help a little but then you're changing your sets around (arguably worse sets). Scarf Heatran will work about the same as Shuca tran, besides obviously not surviving ground hits. It outruns Adamant Gyarados (19.3% are Jolly, Celebi will beat these) and can blow up on Blissey (or anything really).

You will be a little weak to Jolly Ice Fang / Bounce Gyarados but only 6.4% of teams carry this.

If you give Latias Choice Specs its still doing 20.85% - 24.47% to Gyarados with Surf, which will put Gyarados into KO range from Lucario after two hits and Stealth Rocks. Gyarados takes 46.22% - 54.38% from -2 Draco Meteor, so you can easily switch to Lucario after it dances to catch an Ice Fang, Stone Edge or anything else it would aim at Latias. Choice Specs will also do tons more damage than your current set. Specs Draco Meteor has nearly double the power of Life orb Dragon Pulse.