Can we mock my friend for being god awful at Paper Mario?

Chinchou1984

Chinchou1984

I visited him yesterday to play video games together. He told me he had trouble fighting Fracktail in The Thousand-Year Door (no, this is not a typo). If you had to guess which TTYD boss he was really referring to, what would be your guess?

I wanted to get this friend into the Pokémon series as he likes Mewtwo and wants Rayquaza playable in Smash but after he demonstrated his incompetence at Paper Mario I’m on the fence.
 
Mechalico said:
did he not equip the badge
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He didn’t equip the badge to defeat Hooktail and also didn’t seem to level up anything besides HP. He told me he always has to get someone to beat Hooktail for him and has never defeated her himself. Given the game tells you about the badge being her weakness and he referred her as Fracktail it tells me he doesn’t really read the text.

Let's go shuckles said:
I'm gonna be real with you, I don't think mocking your friend is a good strategy to getting them interested in turn based rpgs.
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I wouldn’t mock people if they actually READ THE FUCKING GAME TEXT especially if there are hints to beat a boss.

I wanted to get him into Pokémon so we could play together but after he demonstrated his incompetence to read game text I don’t think i would be able to teach him the basics
 
Pokemon has historically been pretty bad at detailing the battle system ingame (have they gotten around to showing how much a stat boost actually is yet?) so reading the story text isn't all that much of a prereq to understanding it. Now, attempting to force a (perceived to be) tough opponent with just more HP is a potential low point, but that habit seems like it would be easier to break in a situation where grinding isn't possible. There is also an argument that they have some preconceptions about Paper Mario specifically, since they are apparently at least somewhat aware of SPM which lacked strategic depth. You might need data from a different series to draw a conclusion anyway, so might as well make the attempt.

--the guy that needed to look up a guide to use light arrows on OoT Ganondorf, followed by needing to look up a guide to use the Master Sword on OoT Beast Ganon.
 
Chinchou1984 said:
I wouldn’t mock people if they actually READ THE FUCKING GAME TEXT especially if there are hints to beat a boss.

I wanted to get him into Pokémon so we could play together but after he demonstrated his incompetence to read game text I don’t think i would be able to teach him the basics
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You should treat your buddy with more patience and respect. “Demonstrated his incompetence” is a relationship-ending way to describe the way anyone did anything, especially something as unimportant as a video game.
 
TheMantyke said:
You should treat your buddy with more patience and respect. “Demonstrated his incompetence” is a relationship-ending way to describe the way anyone did anything, especially something as unimportant as a video game.
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It would depend on how you demonstrate your incompetence.

Is it your first time playing the game? I wouldn’t call that demonstrating your incompetence

Having trouble beating the final boss in a video game? I wouldn’t call that demonstrating your incompetence

Having trouble beating a warm up boss? Depends on if you’re new to the game or played it since you were a kid

Getting the name of the boss wrong despite it being mentioned in text multiple times (instead using the name of a different boss that doesn’t even exist in the game)? How do you fuck this part up?
 
Prefacing this by saying that I thoroughly enjoyed and 100%ed ttyd.

Paper Mario is an easy game that you don't really need to pay attention to 90% of the time. If someone thinks that the dialog is boring or trite or childish or otherwise not worth paying attention to, they won't. This is fine unless the game slips in a crucial hint during otherwise pointless flavor text or stupid obvious tutorial shit you'd mash through.

Not remembering the boss's name or glossing over its weakness doesn't "demonstrate incompetence". It shows boredom with the game, and if they aren't entertained by the game, it just isn't worth playing.

Pokémon has about the same level of maturity as pape and worse writing. Your friend probably wouldn't like it anyway.
 
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