CAP 32 - Art Poll 1

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CAP 32 So Far

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Topic Leadership Team:

Topic Leader: spoo
Typing Leader: dex
Ability Leader: Scizivire
Stats Leader: quziel
Movepool Leader: shnowshner

Concept:
D2TheW said:
Name: Bang Average

Description: This pokemon will attempt to circumvent average or below average stats to become viable.

Justification: Ou has always shown a massive preference towards mons with great statlines and high base stats, but there have always been exceptions to this rule. However in Cap we have always exclusively made mons with good to great stats, meaning we have left a lot of interesting design space untouched. There's a variety of ways we could go about a concept like this and I think this would be an illuminating and interesting project for us to engage with.

Questions:
What actually counts as average stats?
This will likely be up for some debate, as this is somewhat relative. 85 speed is a perfectly good speed stat on fini, but if zera had 85 speed it'd probably be in ru. As for bst, the lowest bst of ou ranked mons at the conclusion of ss (sv is a bit young to draw conclusions from) is Pelipper at 440, with Clefable in 2nd with 483. Both of these are undeniably average but 3rd lowest is Ferrothorn at 489, whose statline could definitely be seen as above average. It'd be pretty hard to deny that Toxapex has a better statline than Alolatales, despite the 10 point bst difference being in the fox's favour. Particular attention will have to be paid to how the stats synergise, rather than a flat interest in BST

How much stat efficiency is permissable?
To return to the above example part of what gives Ferro and Pex above average stats is the efficiency with which their bst is divided, with speed and various attacking stats being dropped in favour of juicing up defenses. Conversely, to use a lower tier example, Cobalion has a bst 91 points higher than ferro, but that bst is inefficiently distributed giving Cob mediocre attacking stats and good bulk on only one side. Despite it's high bst, Coba has pretty average stats. Obviously some degree of efficiency will be necessary but to what extent. Breloom has a frankly awful statline with the exception of it's attack, finding use through it's unique combination of other strong attributes. Is one stat pushing 130 fundamentally antithetical to the concept or is it permissable if all other stats take hits? Where do we draw that line?

Do we actually do stats first?
This is obviously a very stat centric concept, but there's good reasons that stats are usually done so late in the process. It'd certainly be a shake up to the process but you could probably still achieve a similar result with a more standard process order.

How does this affect our power budget?
The Chromera process afforded a large power budget to other aspects of the process to account for it's bad ability. To what extent, if any, do we allow that here? Remember that the goal here is using stats that are average or below average, not explicitly bad. The sort of affordances allowed in chroms process are almost certainly over the line, and honestly we could potentially make a perfectly reasonable end product without dipping into anything explicitly overpowered.

What types suit average stats, if any?
For example, dragon might be more suitable for it's access to strong stabs like Draco and Outrage that mitigate ower attacking stats. Psychic on the other hand may suit less well due to its reliance on weaker stabs. Are there typings that can work around mediocre bulk by leveraging unique or valuable defensive profiles?

What can we learn from gen 9?
The early stages of SV has given us some interesting examples of successful mons with average stats. In particular, we've been given two excellent examples of what to avoid. Espathra and Houndstone both clearly have very average stats with both having a sub 500 bst and highest individual stats of 105 and 101 respectively. These two became the lowest bst mons to be banned to ubers since Mega Sableye in oras. Houndstone isn't particularly interesting, as it was purely broken by virtue of having one of the most cracked moves to ever exist. Espathra is more notable, as it initially fell to uu before rising through the ranks thanks to it's stored power shenanigans and ridiculous tera synergy. Espathra shows us that even with pretty shit stats, we have to be careful to not overtune in other stages, which is definitely a tendency that we have in cap projects.
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Primary Role: Offensive Pivot

Type: Fire / Fairy

Primary Ability: Pixilate

Defining Moves:
shnowshner said:
Required:
  • If Physical/Mixed: Extreme Speed, Double-Edge, Flare Blitz/Heat Crash
  • If Special/Mixed: Hyper Voice, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Overheat
  • At least one of: U-Turn/Volt Switch/Parting Shot
Optional:
  • Boomburst, Rapid Spin, Fire Lash, Knock Off, Will-o-Wisp, Taunt, 50% Recovery, Strength Sap, Stealth Rock, Spikes
  • At most one of: Bitter Blade/Armor Cannon/Torch Song — Psychic Coverage/Electric Coverage
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Threats:
spoo said:
Switch-ins: :jumbao:
Shaky Switch-ins: :iron valiant::cinderace::arghonaut::meowscarada:
Stat-dependent Switch-ins: :tomohawk::corviknight:
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Pressures Us: :greninja::venomicon-epilogue::equilibra:(Bulky Grounds)
We Pressure: :gholdengo::caribolt::dragapult:(Offensive Dragons)
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C&C: :toxapex::skeledirge::garganacl:(P):venomicon:(P):clodsire:(S)
(P=Physical CAP32, S=Special CAP32)
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Stats: 90 HP / 99 Atk / 89 Def / 99 SpA / 97 SpD / 55 Spe

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This will be a multiple bold vote - vote for as many options as you like. The order of your votes DOES NOT matter. A typical ballot might look like the following:
An Entry I Approve
Another Entry I Approve
Yet Another Entry I Approve

Any comments would go below the votes in non-bold text.
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The voting options are:

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SillyTopplingGoose
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Mova
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HealthGage
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AggSandwich
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Weakness Policy Contrary
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Supporting Material
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KaenSoul
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Supporting Material
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flying moose
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SirinC&Kokomi
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StephXPM
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NoahIOTJ
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Supporting Material
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BlorengeRhymes
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Supporting Material
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Sunfished
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Morghulis
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mark6870
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Screamin'Demon
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Felis Licht
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DrifblooomCF
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Supporting Material
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Lectrys
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Gaboswampert
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XavierTheCoolDudeX
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Quanyails
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Yellow Paint
cap32-png.513538

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Golurkyourself
SPsrHMp.jpg

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ausma
cap-32-png.513731

Supporting Material
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Scizivire
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sneakyjeans
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Darek
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Tessamon
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Quotidian
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Supporting Material
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BobKingOfSeagulls
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JAGFL
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Explosion Badger
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ShinyOrthworm
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Mos-Quitoxe
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IronTemplar
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BaffleTome
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Supporting Material
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Yilx
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Raakshi
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DougJustDoug
Sun-Faerie-41-Cropped-2.jpg

Supporting Material
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Chillie
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Supporting Material
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Brambane
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Sgt.Moose
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Yokaiju
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Supporting Material
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pecanbegone
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T-Okay
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lucasgvc
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Falchion
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Gravity Monkey
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paintseagull
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Tommaniacal
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Shadowshocker
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Magmajudis
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woah :0
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EnderTrenton
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Amamama
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Hatful0fBomb
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Pipotchi
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Pinesmoke
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Bloopyghost
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Unsee
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YamiTheYin
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Those voting options without formatting:

SillyTopplingGoose
Mova
HealthGage
AggSandwich
Weakness Policy Contrary
KaenSoul
flying moose
SirinC&Kokomi
StephXPM
NoahIOTJ
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Morghulis
mark6870
Screamin'Demon
Felis Licht
DrifblooomCF
Lectrys
Gaboswampert
XavierTheCoolDudeX
Quanyails
Yellow Paint
Golurkyourself
ausma
Scizivire
sneakyjeans
Darek
Tessamon
Quotidian
BobKingOfSeagulls
JAGFL
Explosion Badger
ShinyOrthworm
Mos-Quitoxe
IronTemplar
BaffleTome
Yilx
Raakshi
DougJustDoug
Chillie
Brambane
Sgt.Moose
Yokaiju
pecanbegone
T-Okay
lucasgvc
Falchion
Gravity Monkey
paintseagull
Tommaniacal
Shadowshocker
Magmajudis
woah :0
EnderTrenton
Amamama
Hatful0fBomb
Pipotchi
Pinesmoke
Bloopyghost
Unsee
YamiTheYin

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This poll will be open for 48 hours.
 
Yokaiju
Sunfished
Amamama
JAGFL

Just incredible entries from top to bottom. It's been lovely to watch the entries develop!
 
HealthGage
StephXPM
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Felis Licht
Quanyails
ausma
Darek
BobKingOfSeagulls
JAGFL
Mos-Quitoxe
Chillie
Sgt.Moose
Yokaiju
T-Okay
Gravity Monkey
Pipotchi
Pinesmoke
 
StephXPM
Sunfished
Felis Licht
Gaboswampert
Quanyails
Golurkyourself
BaffleTome
Chillie
Yokaiju
Gravity Monkey
 
StephXPM
woah :0
ausma
BlorengeRhymes
Chillie
ShinyOrthworm
Mova
Unsee
Weakness Policy Contrary
Sunfished
Pipotchi
IronTemplar
mark6870
BobKingOfSeagulls
Yellow Paint
NoahIOTJ
 
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Sunfished
Quotidian
NoahIOTJ
BobKingOfSeagulls
BaffleTome
Pipotchi
Quanyails
Chillie
pecanbegone
ausma
JAGFL
Yokaiju
BlorengeRhymes
Raakshi
KaenSoul
Felis Licht
DougJustDoug
Darek
Magmajudis
woah :0
Explosion Badger
paintseagull
Gaboswampert
StephXPM
Falchion
Amamama
Golurkyourself
YamiTheYin
Gravity Monkey
Yilx
Brambane
mark6870
EnderTrenton
Bloopyghost
Morghulis
Sgt.Moose
XavierTheCoolDudeX
Pinesmoke
Shadowshocker
Tommaniacal
DrifblooomCF
Hatful0fBomb
lucasgvc
HealthGage
SillyTopplingGoose
Unsee
T-Okay
Tessamon
ShinyOrthworm
Mos-Quitoxe
Scizivire
Mova
AggSandwich
sneakyjeans
Weakness Policy Contrary
flying moose
SirinC&Kokomi
Screamin'Demon
Lectrys
Yellow Paint
IronTemplar

The top 15 are probably the ones that matter the most to me, but all of the designs have been great.

Modedit: Fixing ballot format.
 
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mark6870
BlorengeRhymes
StephXPM
Gravity Monkey
BobKingOfSeagulls
BaffleTome
Yokaiju
KaenSoul
Pinesmoke
Chillie

Modedit: Fixing spelling of "Gravity Monkey".
 
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Weakness Policy Contrary
KaenSoul
StephXPM
NoahIOTJ
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Morghulis
mark6870
Screamin'Demon
Felis Licht
DrifblooomCF
Quanyails
Golurkyourself
ausma
Quotidian
BobKingOfSeagulls
JAGFL
Explosion Badger
Mos-Quitoxe
BaffleTome
Chillie
Sgt.Moose
Yokaiju
T-Okay
lucasgvc
Falchion
Gravity Monkey
paintseagull
Shadowshocker
EnderTrenton
Amamama
Pipotchi
Pinesmoke
Unsee
YamiTheYin
 
HealthGage
KaenSoul
BlorengeRhymes
Screamin'Demon
Felis Licht
Quanyails
Golurkyourself
Scizivire
sneakyjeans
Darek
Tessamon
JAGFL
Explosion Badger
BaffleTome
Chillie
Brambane
Sgt.Moose
pecanbegone
T-Okay
paintseagull
woah :0
Amamama
Pipotchi
YamiTheYin
 
HealthGage
KaenSoul
SirinC&Kokomi
NoahIOTJ
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Felis Licht
Gaboswampert
Quanyails
ausma
Darek
Quotidian
BobKingOfSeagulls
JAGFL
Yilx
Raakshi
Chillie
Brambane
Sgt.Moose
pecanbegone
Gravity Monkey
paintseagull
Magmajudis
EnderTrenton
Pipotchi
 
Lectrys
DougJustDoug
BlorengeRhymes
mark6870
BaffleTome
T-Okay
lucasgvc
Shadowshocker
Explosion Badger
StephXPM
YamiTheYin
Mos-Quitoxe
Weakness Policy Contrary
XavierTheCoolDudeX
Quanyails
woah :0
Sgt.Moose
Golurkyourself
Amamama
Chillie
pecanbegone
AggSandwich
 
Mova
KaenSoul
StephXPM
NoahIOTJ
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Felis Licht
Gaboswampert
Quanyails
Golurkyourself
ausma
Darek
Quotidian
JAGFL
Mos-Quitoxe
BaffleTome
DougJustDoug
Chillie
Sgt.Moose
Yokaiju
T-Okay
lucasgvc
Gravity Monkey
paintseagull
Shadowshocker
woah :0
EnderTrenton
Pinesmoke
Bloopyghost
YamiTheYin
 
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Explosion Badger
Pipotchi
Amamama
Bloopyghost
T-Okay
BaffleTome
Quotidian
StephXPM
JAGFL
BobKingOfSeagulls
ausma
Quanyails
mark6870
Morghulis
Sunfished
BlorengeRhymes
NoahIOTJ
Chillie
Weakness Policy Contrary
HealthGage
 
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Mova
Weakness Policy Contrary
KaenSoul
StephXPM
NoahIOTJ
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Felis Licht
Darek
BobKingOfSeagulls
JAGFL
Mos-Quitoxe
Yilx
Brambane
Sgt.Moose
Yokaiju
pecanbegone

Modedit: Fixing spelling of "Mos-Quitoxe".
 
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StephXPM
BlorengeRhymes
Sunfished
Felis Licht
Gaboswampert
Quanyails
Darek
BobKingOfSeagulls
JAGFL
Explosion Badger
BaffleTome
Yilx
DougJustDoug
Chillie
Sgt.Moose
Yokaiju
pecanbegone
T-Okay
Gravity Monkey
paintseagull
Magmajudis
EnderTrenton
Pipotchi
Bloopyghost
NoahIOTJ
 
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StephXPM
sneakyjeans
woah :0
Weakness Policy Contrary
Yilx
Raakshi
pecanbegone
Brambane
Mos-Quitoxe
Gravity Monkey
Pipotchi
paintseagull
Hatful0fBomb
JAGFL
BobKingOfSeagulls
 
StephXPM
Sunfished
mark6870
Felis Licht
Quanyails
Golurkyourself
ausma
Quotidian
BobKingOfSeagulls
Raakshi
DougJustDoug
Yokaiju
T-Okay
Falchion
Shadowshocker
Hatful0fBomb
Pipotchi
Pinesmoke
Bloopyghost
 
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