CaP Prevos - Cupra and Argalis Movepool Submissions and Ability Discussion

[DHR-107]

Hey all!

I am going to keep up this momentum and see if we can get three threads done in a little under a week! Over the next few days I will be posting the next Prevo update thread for movepools and abilities (if needed). Brattler and Cawdet will also be posted before the end of this week, to be polled before this time next week. Let's get all the Gen 5 prevos out of the way so we only have CaP 24 Prevo (if it has one), Gen 6 Prevo updates (mostly minor) and then we can get back to making the old prevos too!

As we all know, Aurumoth went through some interesting changes from its inception way back when. The below covers most of the basics:

Aurumoth - Complete - [Remove Illusion, Add Light Metal, Add Infestation, Signal Beam, Psychic Terrain] - CBrevan's Sum Up & New Movepool

Cupra and Argalis will also need a discussion made on their new Hidden Abilities as they currently do not have Illusion at all on the sim (and they won't be getting it either). They have original movepools too which I will post below along with Aurumoth's current movepool (which you can also reach by using the link above). The link to Cupra and Argalis' page can be found here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/cap-4-pre-evos-final-product.3479436/ . Please note they already have Shield Dust/Keen Eye/Illusion and Shed Skin/Compoundeyes/Illusion

Cupra Movepool: Evolves at Level 30

Level Up

- Tackle
- String Shot
7 Bug Bite
14 Sunny Day
21 Heal Pulse
27 Struggle Bug
32 Will-o-Wisp
38 Final Gambit
44 Ancient Power
48 Wish
54 Zen Headbutt

TM List

TM03 - Psyshock
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM19 - Telekinesis
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM27 - Return
TM29 - Psychic
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM49 - Echoed Voice
TM51 - Ally Switch
TM56 - Fling
TM61 - Will-o-Wisp
TM67 - Retaliate
TM70 - Flash
TM76 - Struggle Bug
TM77 - Psych Up
TM81 - X-Scissor
TM85 - Dream Eater
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 - Substitute
HM01 - Cut

Tutor Moves

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Roleplay
Skill Swap
Trick
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Egg Moves

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

Argalis Movepool: Evolves At Level 50

Level Up

- Tackle
- String Shot
7 Bug Bite
14 Sunny Day
21 Heal Pulse
27 Ominous Wind
34 Will-o-Wisp
41 Final gambit
47 Ancient Power
52 Wish
57 Light Screen/Reflect
62 Psychic

TM List

TM03 - Psyshock
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM19 - Telekinesis
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM27 - Return
TM29 - Psychic
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM49 - Echoed Voice
TM51 - Ally Switch
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM56 - Fling
TM61 - Will-o-Wisp
TM67 - Retaliate
TM70 - Flash
TM76 - Struggle Bug
TM77 - Psych Up
TM81 - X-Scissor
TM85 - Dream Eater
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 -*Substitute
HM01 - Cut

Tutor Moves

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Roleplay
Skill Swap
Trick
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Egg Moves

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

And here is Aurumoths current movepool:

Level Up

1- Dragon Dance
1- Quiver Dance
1- Tackle
1- String Shot
1- Silver Wind
1- Spotlight
1- Sunny Day
7- Silver Wind
14- Sunny Day
21- Heal Pulse
27- Ominous Wind
34- Will-O-Wisp
41- Final Gambit
47- Ancient Power
Ev.- Psychic Terrain
54- Wish
61- Healing Wish
67- Tail Glow

Egg Moves

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

TMs

TM03 Psyshock
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM22 Solar Beam
TM24 Thunderbolt
TM25 Thunder
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM49 Echoed Voice
TM50 Overheat
TM51 Steel Wing
TM52 Focus Blast
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM68 Giga Impact
TM77 Psych Up
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM94 Surf
TM100 Confide

Tutor Moves

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Role Play
Shock Wave
Signal Beam
Snore
Skill Swap
Trick
Water Pulse
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Old TMs

Ally Switch
Cut
Flash
Retaliate
Secret Power - Universal ORAS TM
Struggle Bug
Telekinesis

Please remember this is a reductive process. Please do not add moves which are not in Aurmoth's movepool above as your submission will be disqualified. You've got at least a few days before I put this to poll and I will of course give you a 24 hour warning! Check back tomorrow to see the next thread!

 

[Drew]

I'd like to put forth Magic Guard for Cupra. On a flavor level, I think it fits perfectly, but since Cupra literally doesn't have a role, I think the only way to salvage it in CAP LC is to give it a super OP ability, and giving it one that can allow Cupra to be immune to Stealth Rock will likely help. Don't have much more to add for now, and I probably won't make a movepool, but I am likely to get involved when we make the next Prevo from scratch!

 

[plaindrome]

I like Run Away for Cupra, since it ties in to a lot of other larval Pokemon. I'd also suggest Overcoat for Argalis as a less extreme alternative to Sturdy. It also has the flavor of Argalis' protective shell, and it's a Hidden Ability for the Escavalier, Wormadam, and Forretress lines, all of which have armor or cover similar to Argalis.

 

[G-Luke]

I like Run Away for Cupra, since it ties in to a lot of other larval Pokemon. I'd also suggest Overcoat for Argalis as a less extreme alternative to Sturdy. It also has the flavor of Argalis' protective shell, and it's a Hidden Ability for the Escavalier, Wormadam, and Forretress lines, all of which have armor or cover similar to Argalis.

I also like these abilities for them, but I'd also like to see Sturdy on Argalis and interestingly, Illuminate on Cupra

 

[snake]

I'd like to put forth Magic Guard for Cupra. On a flavor level, I think it fits perfectly, but since Cupra literally doesn't have a role, I think the only way to salvage it in CAP LC is to give it a super OP ability, and giving it one that can allow Cupra to be immune to Stealth Rock will likely help. Don't have much more to add for now, and I probably won't make a movepool, but I am likely to get involved when we make the next Prevo from scratch!

I'd actually like to second Magic Guard for Cupra. I find it pretty flavorful for a Psychic-type, and I'd like for the baby CAPs to at least have a fighting chance in the metagame. With Cupra rather...limited movepool and stat spread, it shouldn't be overpowered by any means.

 

[porg_111]

Final Submission

Cupra

Level-up

1-Tackle
1-String Shot
7-Bug Bite
14-Sunny Day
21-Heal Pulse
27-Struggle Bug
32-Will-o-Wisp
38-Final Gambit
44-Ancient Power
48-Wish
54-Zen Headbutt

Nothing new added to its level-up movepool.

TMs

TM03 Psyshock
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM49 Echoed Voice
TM 51 Steel Wing
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM77 Psych Up
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM100 Confide

New moves are Infestation (common bug type move) , Steel Wing (basic move for winged mons) , Sleep Talk and Confide (both are universally learn TMs).

Tutors

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Role Play
Signal Beam
Shock Wave
Snore
Skill Swap
Telekinesis
Trick
Water Pulse
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Added Icy Wind for consistency since both evolve forms have it so why not give Cupra that move it also have wings for it to use.
Added Water Pulse since Cupra can learn Hydro Pump through breeding and to show that it can at have the ability to use water as an attack.
Added Shock Wave since its evolve forms can able to use some electric type moves Cupra should able to learn a weaker version of it.
Both Snore and Signal Beam are added (Snore is a universally learn move and Signal Beam for its a common bug type move).

Egg

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

Egg moves are still the same.

Transfer

Ally Switch
Cut
Flash
Retaliate
Secret Power - Universal ORAS TM
Struggle Bug

Argalis

Level-up

1-Tackle
1-String Shot
1-Spotlight
7-Bug Bite
14-Sunny Day
21-Heal Pulse
27-Ominous Wind
Evo-Protect
34-Will-o-Wisp
41-Final gambit
47-Ancient Power
52-Wish
57-Light Screen/Reflect
62-Psychic

Added Spotlight since Aurumoth have it.
Added Protect as an evolve move since its a pupal stage it should have that ability to guard itself once it evolve.

TMs

TM03 Psyshock
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM13 Ice Beam
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM24 Thunderbolt
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM49 Echoed Voice
TM51 Steel Wing
TM52 Focus Blast
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM77 Psych Up
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM100 Confide

Same explanation as Cupra.

Tutors

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Role Play
Shock Wave
Signal Beam
Snore
Skill Swap
Telekinesis
Trick
Water Pulse
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Same moves as Cupra and Aurumoth.

Egg

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

Still the same.

Transfer

Ally Switch
Cut
Flash
Retaliate
Secret Power - Universal ORAS TM
Struggle Bug

Hidden Ability

Cupra - Run Away or Magic Guard
Argalis - Sturdy

 

[G-Luke]

Magic Guard -> Overcoat -> Light Metal sounds like a funny way of showing the evolving ability of the family. I'd support it

 

[G-Luke]

Final Submission

Cupra

Level Up

- Tackle
- String Shot
7 Bug Bite
14 Sunny Day
21 Heal Pulse
27 Struggle Bug
32 Will-o-Wisp
38 Final Gambit
44 Ancient Power
48 Wish
54 Zen Headbutt
60 Tail Glow

TM List

TM03 Psyshock
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM49 Echoed Voice
TM51 Steel Wing
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM77 Psych Up
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM100 Confide

Tutors

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Role Play
Signal Beam
Shock Wave
Snore
Skill Swap
Trick
Telekinesis
Water Pulse
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Egg Moves

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

Transfers

Ally Switch
Cut
Flash
Retaliate
Secret Power - Universal ORAS TM
Struggle Bug

Argalis

Level Up

Tackle
1 String Shot
1 Spotlight
7 Bug Bite
14 Sunny Day
21 Heal Pulse
27 Ominous Wind
34 Will-o-Wisp
41 Final gambit
47 Ancient Power
52 Wish
57 Light Screen
57 Reflect
62 Psychic
65 Tail Glow

TM/HM List

TM03 Psyshock
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM13 Ice Beam
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM22 Solar Beam
TM24 Thunderbolt
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM49 Echoed Voice
TM51 Steel Wing
TM52 Focus Blast
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM77 Psych Up
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM94 Surf
TM100 Confide

Egg Moves

Bug Buzz
Close Combat
Counter
Disable
Feint
Hydro Pump
Megahorn
Safeguard
Wing Attack

Tutor Moves

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Role Play
Shock Wave
Signal Beam
Snore
Skill Swap
Telekinesis
Trick
Water Pulse
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

Transfers

Ally Switch
Cut
Flash
Retaliate
Secret Power - Universal ORAS TM
Struggle Bug

Big WIP (currently stealing porg's outline), but I'd like to look at Tail Glow for a second. I think Tail Glow should be consistent throughout the family. For flavour reasons, all of the bugs seem to have the glowy aspect, and each would refer to the shiny aspect that all metals have. Also since Aurumoth is notable for having three different ways to set up, and its prevos have access to none of them seems weird. Competitively speaking, Cupra would at least have SOME worth of usage, as of rn its completely unviable. Cupra would still be outclassed by Syclar, but Tail Glow seems like a neat and useful addition.

 

[Reviloja753]

I’m on board with giving both of them Tail Glow and giving Cupra Magic Guard. Flavor all checks out, and it gives Syclar a bit of competition.

 

[Drew]

I’m on board with giving both of them Tail Glow and giving Cupra Magic Guard. Flavor all checks out, and it gives Syclar a bit of competition.

As resident LCer, I disagree. Cupra has a meh speed tier and a garbage typing past switching in on Fighting types. Cupra also literally doesn't have a role without Illusion, and it'll will prob only be used as a situational revenge sweeper. Tail Glow doesn't upset the meta much, and it gives Cupra something to do. I guess if you are afraid of Syclar not being unique that's fine, but I feel it is justified and a positive.

 

[K. Roolest Shark]

I'm thinking of Heavy Metal for Cupra as its ironic since Aurumoth has Light Metal and then the unevolved one is heavier. I think of Steelworker or Swarm for Argalis. It continues the trend of Cupra getting lighter (kinda) and now its kinda steelworking its way with its silver wings and for Swarm, most bugs get this as an ability

 

[DHR-107]

Okay I am giving about 24 hours for you guys to polish up movepools and have discussions on Abilities.

I am currently leaning for:

Cupra
Magic Guard
Run Away

Argalis
Overcoat
Sturdy

Any other abilities haven't had many mentions or are one off comments. The above ones will go to polls tomorrow at the same time I make up the movepool poll (if I need to do one).

 

[DHR-107]

Congratulations to G-Luke for giving us new movepools!

I'll throw up ability polls shortly!