Alright, so I've been trying to make a good team for the past couple of days and I'm godawful at teambuilding, so I'm hoping somebody here can help me out with the team I'm about to present and maybe somebody can suggest something that'll make me feel better.
I'd been looking around for team ideas, because I was tired of using the same old shit that everybody online uses. I figured I'd base my team around Celebi because it's my favorite pokemon and it's not absolutely terrible enough that I don't see it being completely impossible to work with. When looking for a second pokemon to compliment, I figured I'd pair it up with Suicune because that also isn't a pokemon that I don't see being completely impossible to work with and because I liked Pokemon 4ever so I figured I might as well just base a team around the duo from one of my favorite pokemon movies.
My initial teambuilding process:
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
Starting out, I figured that since Suicune is bulky, going with a specially defensive variant would compliment my pokemon pretty well, so I went with this set. Stealth Rocks is nice to setup against my opponent and the rest is there to help stall against my opponent while I try and take damage little by little against it
Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
When I got to Suicune, I thought I'd go with the tried and true CroCune set that it's famous for. I hadn't used it in years and I thought it'd be fun to go with as a start.
Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Overheat
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
At this point, I realized I'd probably be good at starting off with a FGW core, so I began to look for a bulky fire type to compliment my other two partners. Doing my research, I had learned that Celebi, Suicune and Heatran were a famous combo that had been used for years, but given that Heatran ends up on the majority of my teams for some reason, I was sick and tired of using it all the time, so I wanted to look for some variation on the core. It's then that I thought Rotom-H would be nice for my partners since it has some decent bulk all around and it has some tools to help stall out my opponent and cripple them with Will-O-Wisp. It also makes for a great scout in case I'm ever unsure at some point what to bring out or if I can get a great prediction against my opponent.
Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 28 Def / 236 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Protect
- Earthquake
I'll be honest, I've kinda forgotten why I included Gliscor on my team to begin with. It was late last night and I was exhausted, and when I saw Suicune, I thought "Gee, he's weak to electric, I should really put something in that'll be able to sponge up the electric attacks, and I can also get more coverage in moves", so Gliscor ended up being put in my team. It's a standard SubToxic Gliscor so pretty much it speaks for itself and I don't feel like I have to elaborate anymore upon the set
Togekiss (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Roost
- Air Slash
- Thunder Wave
- Defog
I've also kinda forgotten why I put Togekiss in the first place. I think my line of reasoning was "I have too many defensive pokemon so now I think I should try and balance out my team with some special defense as well. On top of that, I have Celebi who's vulnerable to dark type attacks and I can further get type coverage with this Togekiss that'll prevent dragons from coming in and wiping out my team." I ended up choosing Togekiss for the aforementioned, with it giving me coverage against some of the other dragons, like Mega Charizard X and Lati@s, that might give my team trouble. I also like having at least one defog user on my team to take off stones and screw my opponent over. Aside from that Togekiss is annoying as hell and I just like bothering my opponent sometimes with bullshit like this.=
Diggersby @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Wild Charge
- U-Turn
At this point in the team, I thought I might need someone to break through other walls that might pose themselves as a challenge, with my team not having the best attack power to take care of them. I ended up choosing Diggersby because with Rotom-H with U-Turn, I thought, well why not? Huge Power gives me access to a sizeable attack stat that I need to tear down other walls and it has a decent movepool to allow me to take advantage of it.
My team on further testing:
After testing out my team, I became very unsatisfied with it. I ended up making many changes to many of the pokemon listed above, and even then, I'm still unsatisfied with the way my team is coming out.
Diggersby @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Wild Charge
- U-Turn
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Mawile @ Mawilite
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 40 Def / 36 SpD
Brave Nature
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
This change came immediately after my first match where I realized the horrible truth that 4/6 members on my team were vulnerable to ice type attacks and Rotom-H and Suicune alone weren't capable of handling it by themselves. In my first match, someone brought out Articuno and began to decimate my team with it. It completely plowed through all my defenses and the only ones that came somewhat close to taking it out were Rotom-H and Diggersby. The problem was that they were still outsped by Articuno or just too weak to OHKO it, so it kept regaining health while my moves were cut very short with its pressure ability. Rotom-H also just couldn't keep overheating after doing it once because by then it was already too weak to take it out ever, regardless. After the match ended, I immediately went back to the drawing board and did my research as to what could help against an Articuno, as well as just taking out my ice weakness in general. I found Mega Mawile that seemed to operate on the same basis as Diggersby with its Huge Power ability, as well as being able to get priority in with sucker punch and being able to use Iron Head against Articuno to take it out. I ended up making the change and my team became better, but still not good enough for reasons I'll list further below
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psychic
Frankly said, defensive Celebi was just not pulling its weight in the match. It would come in and pretty much just die, so I said fuck it and instead chose to try and make it a second attacker instead. I chose a Nasty Plot variant and for the most part, it's worked out a lot better than my old Celebi did, so I'm not complaining on that side.
Mawile @ Mawilite
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 40 Def / 36 SpD
Brave Nature
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
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Mew @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SDef / 120 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Soft-Boiled
- Will-O-Wisp
- Knock Off
After playing with Mawile for a bit, I just wasn't very happy with it still. It wasn't a pokemon I could just switch in and sponge in damage reliably without just dying super goddamn fast. Its pitiful amount of HP made it hard to work with somewhat ok defensive stats. I ended up switching Mawile for another pokemon that could better serve to attack while still remaining at around the same base stats as Mawile. I chose Mew since it had a bigger HP stat and more or less the same defenses as Mawile. I made it a defensive variant to befit the team, although I think I'm just going to change that. I don't like this set very much for my team and I'm out of ideas what to put in place of Mew as well.
The cons:
-Gliscor and Suicune:
They just don't work out very well for my team. Gliscor feels really out of place in there and I keep getting countered by basically everybody because everybody and their mothers know by now the set I'm running. I can't seem to be unpredictable with either set of pokemon and I don't know what to do with it to make it better.
- Mew: It's not terrible, but it's also not great either. I just don't know what to do with my pokemon in order to make it work best anymore. I also wish I had that steel type move in order to deal with other fairies that rear their heads in from time to time
And this is what my team is more or less right now. I can't perform well with it and it's giving me a headache to figure out how to make it work. I've pretty much been working on 2 days straight to try and make it viable, so I can go ahead and make breed myself a copy on my actual copy of X, but I just can't seem to make it work. While I'm decent in battling, I'm terrible at teambuilding and these last few days I've been trying to put more effort to improve, but I just don't see it happening with the results I keep getting. If anyone can suggest me anything to improve it, I'd love it if someone could. I just don't want to throw it in the trash because I believe it can be salvaged, but if it's unsavable, then that's that
I'd been looking around for team ideas, because I was tired of using the same old shit that everybody online uses. I figured I'd base my team around Celebi because it's my favorite pokemon and it's not absolutely terrible enough that I don't see it being completely impossible to work with. When looking for a second pokemon to compliment, I figured I'd pair it up with Suicune because that also isn't a pokemon that I don't see being completely impossible to work with and because I liked Pokemon 4ever so I figured I might as well just base a team around the duo from one of my favorite pokemon movies.
My initial teambuilding process:
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
Starting out, I figured that since Suicune is bulky, going with a specially defensive variant would compliment my pokemon pretty well, so I went with this set. Stealth Rocks is nice to setup against my opponent and the rest is there to help stall against my opponent while I try and take damage little by little against it
Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
When I got to Suicune, I thought I'd go with the tried and true CroCune set that it's famous for. I hadn't used it in years and I thought it'd be fun to go with as a start.
Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Overheat
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
At this point, I realized I'd probably be good at starting off with a FGW core, so I began to look for a bulky fire type to compliment my other two partners. Doing my research, I had learned that Celebi, Suicune and Heatran were a famous combo that had been used for years, but given that Heatran ends up on the majority of my teams for some reason, I was sick and tired of using it all the time, so I wanted to look for some variation on the core. It's then that I thought Rotom-H would be nice for my partners since it has some decent bulk all around and it has some tools to help stall out my opponent and cripple them with Will-O-Wisp. It also makes for a great scout in case I'm ever unsure at some point what to bring out or if I can get a great prediction against my opponent.
Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 28 Def / 236 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Protect
- Earthquake
I'll be honest, I've kinda forgotten why I included Gliscor on my team to begin with. It was late last night and I was exhausted, and when I saw Suicune, I thought "Gee, he's weak to electric, I should really put something in that'll be able to sponge up the electric attacks, and I can also get more coverage in moves", so Gliscor ended up being put in my team. It's a standard SubToxic Gliscor so pretty much it speaks for itself and I don't feel like I have to elaborate anymore upon the set
Togekiss (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Roost
- Air Slash
- Thunder Wave
- Defog
I've also kinda forgotten why I put Togekiss in the first place. I think my line of reasoning was "I have too many defensive pokemon so now I think I should try and balance out my team with some special defense as well. On top of that, I have Celebi who's vulnerable to dark type attacks and I can further get type coverage with this Togekiss that'll prevent dragons from coming in and wiping out my team." I ended up choosing Togekiss for the aforementioned, with it giving me coverage against some of the other dragons, like Mega Charizard X and Lati@s, that might give my team trouble. I also like having at least one defog user on my team to take off stones and screw my opponent over. Aside from that Togekiss is annoying as hell and I just like bothering my opponent sometimes with bullshit like this.=
Diggersby @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Wild Charge
- U-Turn
At this point in the team, I thought I might need someone to break through other walls that might pose themselves as a challenge, with my team not having the best attack power to take care of them. I ended up choosing Diggersby because with Rotom-H with U-Turn, I thought, well why not? Huge Power gives me access to a sizeable attack stat that I need to tear down other walls and it has a decent movepool to allow me to take advantage of it.
My team on further testing:
After testing out my team, I became very unsatisfied with it. I ended up making many changes to many of the pokemon listed above, and even then, I'm still unsatisfied with the way my team is coming out.
Diggersby @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Wild Charge
- U-Turn
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Mawile @ Mawilite
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 40 Def / 36 SpD
Brave Nature
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
This change came immediately after my first match where I realized the horrible truth that 4/6 members on my team were vulnerable to ice type attacks and Rotom-H and Suicune alone weren't capable of handling it by themselves. In my first match, someone brought out Articuno and began to decimate my team with it. It completely plowed through all my defenses and the only ones that came somewhat close to taking it out were Rotom-H and Diggersby. The problem was that they were still outsped by Articuno or just too weak to OHKO it, so it kept regaining health while my moves were cut very short with its pressure ability. Rotom-H also just couldn't keep overheating after doing it once because by then it was already too weak to take it out ever, regardless. After the match ended, I immediately went back to the drawing board and did my research as to what could help against an Articuno, as well as just taking out my ice weakness in general. I found Mega Mawile that seemed to operate on the same basis as Diggersby with its Huge Power ability, as well as being able to get priority in with sucker punch and being able to use Iron Head against Articuno to take it out. I ended up making the change and my team became better, but still not good enough for reasons I'll list further below
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
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v
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psychic
Frankly said, defensive Celebi was just not pulling its weight in the match. It would come in and pretty much just die, so I said fuck it and instead chose to try and make it a second attacker instead. I chose a Nasty Plot variant and for the most part, it's worked out a lot better than my old Celebi did, so I'm not complaining on that side.
Mawile @ Mawilite
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 40 Def / 36 SpD
Brave Nature
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
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Mew @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SDef / 120 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Soft-Boiled
- Will-O-Wisp
- Knock Off
After playing with Mawile for a bit, I just wasn't very happy with it still. It wasn't a pokemon I could just switch in and sponge in damage reliably without just dying super goddamn fast. Its pitiful amount of HP made it hard to work with somewhat ok defensive stats. I ended up switching Mawile for another pokemon that could better serve to attack while still remaining at around the same base stats as Mawile. I chose Mew since it had a bigger HP stat and more or less the same defenses as Mawile. I made it a defensive variant to befit the team, although I think I'm just going to change that. I don't like this set very much for my team and I'm out of ideas what to put in place of Mew as well.
The cons:
-Gliscor and Suicune:
They just don't work out very well for my team. Gliscor feels really out of place in there and I keep getting countered by basically everybody because everybody and their mothers know by now the set I'm running. I can't seem to be unpredictable with either set of pokemon and I don't know what to do with it to make it better.
- Mew: It's not terrible, but it's also not great either. I just don't know what to do with my pokemon in order to make it work best anymore. I also wish I had that steel type move in order to deal with other fairies that rear their heads in from time to time
And this is what my team is more or less right now. I can't perform well with it and it's giving me a headache to figure out how to make it work. I've pretty much been working on 2 days straight to try and make it viable, so I can go ahead and make breed myself a copy on my actual copy of X, but I just can't seem to make it work. While I'm decent in battling, I'm terrible at teambuilding and these last few days I've been trying to put more effort to improve, but I just don't see it happening with the results I keep getting. If anyone can suggest me anything to improve it, I'd love it if someone could. I just don't want to throw it in the trash because I believe it can be salvaged, but if it's unsavable, then that's that
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