China Wants its Wall Back (OU Stall)

C05ta

C05ta

I essentially created this team to dip my feet into the stall playstyle. I'm having mixed success with it, and would like to get some feedback on how it can be improved. The main weaknesses to this team are Skarm once Zapdos is down, as well as taunt dd gyarados.

Any and all help would be appreciated, so now it's onto the team.

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Forretress (F) @ Occa Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes
- Payback

*The 112 spd evs allow me to always survive standard lead azelf's fireblast, should I be dumb enough to stay in. Against slower leads, I'll try to stack toxic spikes first, as these leads tend to have bulkier teams behind them. At the first site of fire, switch out, as the goal of the game is to keep forry alive until the entire opposing team is scouted.

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Hippowdon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Slack Off
- Roar
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

*Standard hippo. I'll try to switch him in early to get the sand started, as well as set up rocks. He is invaluable against LO sweepers, and I'll usually spend every turn slacking off if an offensive threat appears.

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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Roost
- Toxic
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
*This is the second half of my defensive game. It does a great job at taking care of sd luke, and it simply fills the gaps that hippo struggles with. If an opposing scizor is u-turning, and rocks aren't up, this is the guy I switch to. Toxic is there to predict switch ins, as mixed electivire does alot of damage to this team if toxic spikes aren't up.

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(Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 40 SAtk / 216 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Softboiled
- Heal Bell
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam

*IB is there to allow me to do something against gengar, and it proves extremely useful against late-game flygon. It's a cleric as alot of my team has problems with status, and I can't imagine facing other stall teams without it. Blissey is the special wall, and it ends up getting switched in alot. It's probably my number 1 priority poke to keep alive.

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Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 104 Def / 68 Spd / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Roar/HP Electric
- Wish
- Protect
- Surf

*I run roar on this vaporeon in order to have a phazer from both the physical and special side. I'm considering running hp electric for no other reason than to beat gyara. Thoughts on this are appreciated.

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Spiritomb (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Pain Split
- Hidden Power [Fire]/Will-o-Wisp
- Sucker Punch
- Shadow Ball/Psychic

*This is my own custom set if you will. The combo of pain split and sucker punch is really appreciated and this seems to be my "emergency stop" if you will. The priority really helps out if my team simply can't handle something.
HP fire is a nasty surprise for forretress' who try to set up on me, the same applies to the scizors who always seem to come in. I'm debating dropping it for will-o-wisp, and some advice is needed. The special EVs are there to allow me to beat Starmie. Also, I'm considering to run psychic so this can be my switchin to lead machamp.

Thanks for your time.
 
I'd hate to act like a mini-mod or something, but you should really expand your descriptions. Just telling you this so you don't have to go through the trouble of editing it and getting it approved by the mods after they lock it. :P

As for team advice, Vaporeon and Blissey seem a bit redundant together. Blissey should become a Wisher, swap Vaporeon with RestTalk Gyarados (who can also serve as a phazer), and try to find another way of dealing with Gengar. Many of them are running the Pain Split + Substitute combination now, which can easily take down Blissey. I would recommend Choice Scarf Tyranitar as he's a valuable asset to stall teams. He can also absorb Trick, which is the absolute bane of stall.
 
This stall team has good synergy, and there isn't one threat I can think of that this team doesn't handle (except Dragon Dance Dragonite). Good job!

First, you need Ice Fang on Hippowdon to revenge DD Dragonite. Place it over Roar.
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Next, place Roar over Toxic on Zapdos to give your team a phazer. The use of Toxic is limited anyway, as you already have a user of Toxic Spikes.

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You need more defensive EVs on Vaporeon to survive onslaughts of Close Combats from Infernape. Blissey can absorb all of the Leaf Storms/Thunderbolts directed at Vappy anyway.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/24 SpD/12 Spe
-Wish
-Protect
-Surf
-HP Electric
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One thing this team does lack is a Win Condition against a last Pokemon like Crocune or Curselax. You should place Curse on Spiritomb to make up for this:

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 HP/ 140 Def/116 SpD
-Curse
-Will-O-Wisp
-Dark Pulse
-Rest

There is not a better Machamp counter in the game than Spiritomb! Pain split can be used in the last slot, but I personally would not recommend it because Blissey is able to heal Spiritomb of sleep status.

This is a really awesome team! One of the best hardcore stall teams I've seen in a long while. (Though, you really should expand your descriptions. It would be a shame if such a good team went to waste).

@hamlin4th:

RestTalk Gyarados does provide some nice resistances for this team, but then he loses his check for opposing DD Gyarados. Choice Scarf Tyranitar is hardly a check for Gengar anymore. They always sub up, and then OHKO it with Focus Blast. As for Trick, just go to Forretress to absorb it. He really doesn't mind it that much.
 
I don't think Hippowdon is useful to this team. The main problem is because of Sandstorm. The Sandstorm it gives damages Zapdos, Blissey, Vaporeon and Spiritomb, greatly decreasing their stalling ability.

Also, as hamlin4th said, having Blissey and Vaporeon on the same team is rather ridiculous. Keep only one of them.

@Super Mario Bro:

I think I battled you today ^^ ign is -hybrid-
 
Super Mario Bro said:
This stall team has good synergy, and there isn't one threat I can think of that this team doesn't handle (except Dragon Dance Dragonite). Good job!

First, you need Ice Fang on Hippowdon to revenge DD Dragonite. Place it over Roar.
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Next, place Roar over Toxic on Zapdos to give your team a phazer. The use of Toxic is limited anyway, as you already have a user of Toxic Spikes.

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You need more defensive EVs on Vaporeon to survive onslaughts of Close Combats from Infernape. Blissey can absorb all of the Leaf Storms/Thunderbolts directed at Vappy anyway.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/24 SpD/12 Spe
-Wish
-Protect
-Surf
-HP Electric
------
One thing this team does lack is a Win Condition against a last Pokemon like Crocune or Curselax. You should place Curse on Spiritomb to make up for this:

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 HP/ 140 Def/116 SpD
-Curse
-Will-O-Wisp
-Dark Pulse
-Rest

There is not a better Machamp counter in the game than Spiritomb! Pain split can be used in the last slot, but I personally would not recommend it because Blissey is able to heal Spiritomb of sleep status.

This is a really awesome team! One of the best hardcore stall teams I've seen in a long while. (Though, you really should expand your descriptions. It would be a shame if such a good team went to waste).

@hamlin4th:

RestTalk Gyarados does provide some nice resistances for this team, but then he loses his check for opposing DD Gyarados. Choice Scarf Tyranitar is hardly a check for Gengar anymore. They always sub up, and then OHKO it with Focus Blast. As for Trick, just go to Forretress to absorb it. He really doesn't mind it that much.
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I'm going to expand my descriptions once I get some more time :/ This RMT was really rushed, and I should have put more time into it before I posted.

As for DD-Nite, I haven't had problems with him as of yet. Each member can do something significant to time out or simply stop his sweep. However, I like the change with ice fang over roar in order to do some damage to flygons, which seem to menace my team. One of the main reasons to use toxic on zapdos was to inflict status on flygon, but with ice fang replacing roar on hippo, I can see how this switch will help my team.

I'll continue later, I have to go.
 
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