[16:45:02] <Texas> how would you all feel about moving to discord
[16:45:10] <Complications> i wouldn't mind that
[16:45:29] <Jayy> uhh, i wouldnt be against it, but i cant really see why
[16:45:52] <Texas> irc is dead, discord would be easier to get new folk
[16:46:02] <Texas> downsides being someone would have to write a bot that can replicate asbot
[16:46:10] <Complications> discord's pretty cool
[16:46:13] <Complications> np
[16:46:25] <ooraloo> discord is cool
[16:47:11] <Jayy> the only thing about discord's api i never got was how to deal with permissions
[16:47:19] <Jayy> (see: bot writing, not server management)
[16:47:46] <Zarator> <&Texas> irc is dead, discord would be easier to get new folk
[16:47:53] <phoenix> I am perfectly fine moving to discord
[16:47:55] <Zarator> I don't think new players join ASB through #irc
[16:47:58] <phoenix> this is the last holdout
[16:48:03] <phoenix> what zarator said is true
[16:48:06] <Texas> that's kind of the point
[16:48:10] <Zarator> Though they may head to #irc after they joined ASB
[16:48:13] <Texas> new players might if we were on discord
[16:48:22] <Texas> link it in smogon main chat for instance
[16:48:24] <phoenix> doubtful but eh
[16:48:25] <phoenix> but
[16:48:28] <Zarator> It's not like people cruise through random channels then stumb on us by chance
[16:48:31] <Texas> there's 250 ppl there right now
[16:48:38] <phoenix> oh yeah
[16:48:39] <dogfish44> I don't object to setting up a discord server fwiw
[16:48:41] <Texas> 350*
[16:48:47] <phoenix> the OU chan has a list of smogon things
[16:48:50] <Zarator> Smogoners are more likely to stumble on us through the forum IMO
[16:48:55] <dogfish44> Lord knows I already have 40 servers or so, one more won't hurt, and being rid of IRC might be nice
[16:48:56] <Texas> ofc zara
[16:49:04] <Texas> but at some point we need to consider modernizing
[16:49:10] <Complications> I personally found ASB through sig links
[16:49:12] <dogfish44> otoh, the bots will take time to migrate
[16:49:15] <phoenix> the only reason I see to stay here is asbot, which you can probably
[16:49:23] <phoenix> make on discord
[16:49:25] <Zarator> I could see the need of #irc for large communities like #ou or (outside Smogon) #myanimelist
[16:49:26] <Texas> that's my thing too
[16:49:29] <Jayy> bot writing in discord is simple node.js
[16:49:31] <Texas> if we can get a discord asbot
[16:49:35] <Texas> there's not much reaon to remian
[16:49:37] <Birkal> asb is the only smogon-affiliated part of smogon still running on IRC
[16:49:39] <Zarator> for whom attracting people right through the channel is an important thing
[16:49:40] <Birkal> from what I know
[16:49:45] <phoenix> what birkal said
[16:49:50] <Texas> this and strongs are the only reasons i keep irc open
[16:49:51] <phoenix> #flamel just moved
[16:49:51] <dogfish44> CAP still is, afaik
[16:49:52] <Birkal> (running primarily over showdown / discord, I mean)
[16:49:54] <smashlloyd20> asbot or i riot
[16:49:56] <Zarator> But I doubt that we would attract any new ASBers just because we move to discord
[16:49:58] <dogfish44> well, CAP is on showdown I guess
[16:49:58] <Birkal> no, CAP runs on showdown
[16:49:58] <phoenix> cap technically is but
[16:50:08] <phoenix> oya ps
[16:50:09] <smashlloyd20> also bring back onion_bubs
[16:50:10] <Birkal> nothing in CAP happens on IRC anymore lol
[16:50:11] <Zarator> and I've checked discord - it doesn't offer much extra functionality which irc doesn't
[16:50:14] <phoenix> cap IRC is dead
[16:50:22] <Texas> zarator there isnt a functionality argument
[16:50:26] <Texas> the argument is about where people are
[16:50:28] <Complications> zarator it's not necessarily that we attract them because we're on discord
[16:50:33] <Complications> it's more of a visibility issue
[16:50:35] <phoenix> discord doesn't really have anything over IRC and IRC doesn't really have anything over discord
[16:50:40] <Jayy> its modernization and expansion or smthn
[16:50:52] <Zarator> Also the idea of changing chat program every 2-3 years or so kinda bugs me
[16:50:55] <dogfish44> Discord offers a lot of functionality imo. That said, 'visibility' I don't think is an issue
[16:50:57] <phoenix> besides discord having voice which we wouldn't use
[16:51:01] <dogfish44> ... it's been like 6 years of IRC
[16:51:02] <Jayy> i mean, if we're doing this, i might be able to work on cloning asbot
[16:51:07] <Zarator> I mean, IRC has been existing for over a decade
[16:51:18] <Texas> so?
[16:51:20] <ToonDizzy> Or we can poke apt-get
[16:51:23] <Texas> smogon no longer enforces it
[16:51:24] <Zarator> whereas discord sounds like those chat programs which come and die every couple years
[16:51:30] <Texas> our target audience is smogon/showdown
[16:51:44] <Jayy> when the audience changes, we should change with it
[16:51:51] <Complications> i think discord is a step up from those zara
[16:51:52] <dogfish44> having been involved in a community of around 300 moving from Skype to Discord, I'll say that Discord taakes about a week to get used to, but it's much better
[16:52:06] <Complications> skype curse and ts all tend to have issues i don't find in discord personally
[16:52:07] <Texas> +1 who adapted to discord pretty quikly
[16:52:16] <Texas> only thing i dislike
[16:52:18] <Jayy> hell, im a huge computer gamer, discord is much better for me than any other program
[16:52:21] <Texas> is that it has shite log functionality
[16:52:23] <Jayy> so make that another +1
[16:52:24] <Zarator> Mind you, I tried discord myself
[16:52:25] <Texas> log searching anyway
[16:52:26] <Zarator> I have it on PC
[16:52:31] <Zarator> and it's definitely not hard
[16:52:32] <phoenix> confirming discord has shit log searching
[16:52:34] <Jayy> yeah logs suck on discord
[16:52:37] <phoenix> also shit log c/ping
[16:52:39] <Zarator> I mean, it's a chat program - how hard can it be?
[16:52:44] <Complications> discord has a cleaner interface than teamspeak and doesn't cost money and skype and curse are both buggier
[16:52:46] <Complications> substantially
[16:52:46] <Zarator> I just think nothing will change
[16:52:49] <phoenix> discord isn't hard at all
[16:52:53] <dogfish44> Discord's perms setup is easier
[16:52:53] <Zarator> so yeah, do it if you feel like
[16:52:57] <Texas> does it matter if anything changes?
[16:52:57] <Jayy> ^ @ dogfish44
[16:52:58] <Complications> the live chat might be nice
[16:52:59] <Zarator> I don't care much either way
[16:53:02] <dogfish44> for instance, we could genuinely set up a #raidzone
[16:53:05] <Jayy> perms in discord are easy af
[16:53:09] <Jayy> lmao #raidzone
[16:53:15] <smashlloyd20> yeah subchannels are much easier on discord
[16:53:16] <Zarator> Dogfish44: No reason to
[16:53:20] <Zarator> it'd kill #capasb
[16:53:21] <Zarator> <3
[16:53:24] <Texas> at the end of the day we've maxed any utility we can get from irc i reckon
[16:45:10] <Complications> i wouldn't mind that
[16:45:29] <Jayy> uhh, i wouldnt be against it, but i cant really see why
[16:45:52] <Texas> irc is dead, discord would be easier to get new folk
[16:46:02] <Texas> downsides being someone would have to write a bot that can replicate asbot
[16:46:10] <Complications> discord's pretty cool
[16:46:13] <Complications> np
[16:46:25] <ooraloo> discord is cool
[16:47:11] <Jayy> the only thing about discord's api i never got was how to deal with permissions
[16:47:19] <Jayy> (see: bot writing, not server management)
[16:47:46] <Zarator> <&Texas> irc is dead, discord would be easier to get new folk
[16:47:53] <phoenix> I am perfectly fine moving to discord
[16:47:55] <Zarator> I don't think new players join ASB through #irc
[16:47:58] <phoenix> this is the last holdout
[16:48:03] <phoenix> what zarator said is true
[16:48:06] <Texas> that's kind of the point
[16:48:10] <Zarator> Though they may head to #irc after they joined ASB
[16:48:13] <Texas> new players might if we were on discord
[16:48:22] <Texas> link it in smogon main chat for instance
[16:48:24] <phoenix> doubtful but eh
[16:48:25] <phoenix> but
[16:48:28] <Zarator> It's not like people cruise through random channels then stumb on us by chance
[16:48:31] <Texas> there's 250 ppl there right now
[16:48:38] <phoenix> oh yeah
[16:48:39] <dogfish44> I don't object to setting up a discord server fwiw
[16:48:41] <Texas> 350*
[16:48:47] <phoenix> the OU chan has a list of smogon things
[16:48:50] <Zarator> Smogoners are more likely to stumble on us through the forum IMO
[16:48:55] <dogfish44> Lord knows I already have 40 servers or so, one more won't hurt, and being rid of IRC might be nice
[16:48:56] <Texas> ofc zara
[16:49:04] <Texas> but at some point we need to consider modernizing
[16:49:10] <Complications> I personally found ASB through sig links
[16:49:12] <dogfish44> otoh, the bots will take time to migrate
[16:49:15] <phoenix> the only reason I see to stay here is asbot, which you can probably
[16:49:23] <phoenix> make on discord
[16:49:25] <Zarator> I could see the need of #irc for large communities like #ou or (outside Smogon) #myanimelist
[16:49:26] <Texas> that's my thing too
[16:49:29] <Jayy> bot writing in discord is simple node.js
[16:49:31] <Texas> if we can get a discord asbot
[16:49:35] <Texas> there's not much reaon to remian
[16:49:37] <Birkal> asb is the only smogon-affiliated part of smogon still running on IRC
[16:49:39] <Zarator> for whom attracting people right through the channel is an important thing
[16:49:40] <Birkal> from what I know
[16:49:45] <phoenix> what birkal said
[16:49:50] <Texas> this and strongs are the only reasons i keep irc open
[16:49:51] <phoenix> #flamel just moved
[16:49:51] <dogfish44> CAP still is, afaik
[16:49:52] <Birkal> (running primarily over showdown / discord, I mean)
[16:49:54] <smashlloyd20> asbot or i riot
[16:49:56] <Zarator> But I doubt that we would attract any new ASBers just because we move to discord
[16:49:58] <dogfish44> well, CAP is on showdown I guess
[16:49:58] <Birkal> no, CAP runs on showdown
[16:49:58] <phoenix> cap technically is but
[16:50:08] <phoenix> oya ps
[16:50:09] <smashlloyd20> also bring back onion_bubs
[16:50:10] <Birkal> nothing in CAP happens on IRC anymore lol
[16:50:11] <Zarator> and I've checked discord - it doesn't offer much extra functionality which irc doesn't
[16:50:14] <phoenix> cap IRC is dead
[16:50:22] <Texas> zarator there isnt a functionality argument
[16:50:26] <Texas> the argument is about where people are
[16:50:28] <Complications> zarator it's not necessarily that we attract them because we're on discord
[16:50:33] <Complications> it's more of a visibility issue
[16:50:35] <phoenix> discord doesn't really have anything over IRC and IRC doesn't really have anything over discord
[16:50:40] <Jayy> its modernization and expansion or smthn
[16:50:52] <Zarator> Also the idea of changing chat program every 2-3 years or so kinda bugs me
[16:50:55] <dogfish44> Discord offers a lot of functionality imo. That said, 'visibility' I don't think is an issue
[16:50:57] <phoenix> besides discord having voice which we wouldn't use
[16:51:01] <dogfish44> ... it's been like 6 years of IRC
[16:51:02] <Jayy> i mean, if we're doing this, i might be able to work on cloning asbot
[16:51:07] <Zarator> I mean, IRC has been existing for over a decade
[16:51:18] <Texas> so?
[16:51:20] <ToonDizzy> Or we can poke apt-get
[16:51:23] <Texas> smogon no longer enforces it
[16:51:24] <Zarator> whereas discord sounds like those chat programs which come and die every couple years
[16:51:30] <Texas> our target audience is smogon/showdown
[16:51:44] <Jayy> when the audience changes, we should change with it
[16:51:51] <Complications> i think discord is a step up from those zara
[16:51:52] <dogfish44> having been involved in a community of around 300 moving from Skype to Discord, I'll say that Discord taakes about a week to get used to, but it's much better
[16:52:06] <Complications> skype curse and ts all tend to have issues i don't find in discord personally
[16:52:07] <Texas> +1 who adapted to discord pretty quikly
[16:52:16] <Texas> only thing i dislike
[16:52:18] <Jayy> hell, im a huge computer gamer, discord is much better for me than any other program
[16:52:21] <Texas> is that it has shite log functionality
[16:52:23] <Jayy> so make that another +1
[16:52:24] <Zarator> Mind you, I tried discord myself
[16:52:25] <Texas> log searching anyway
[16:52:26] <Zarator> I have it on PC
[16:52:31] <Zarator> and it's definitely not hard
[16:52:32] <phoenix> confirming discord has shit log searching
[16:52:34] <Jayy> yeah logs suck on discord
[16:52:37] <phoenix> also shit log c/ping
[16:52:39] <Zarator> I mean, it's a chat program - how hard can it be?
[16:52:44] <Complications> discord has a cleaner interface than teamspeak and doesn't cost money and skype and curse are both buggier
[16:52:46] <Complications> substantially
[16:52:46] <Zarator> I just think nothing will change
[16:52:49] <phoenix> discord isn't hard at all
[16:52:53] <dogfish44> Discord's perms setup is easier
[16:52:53] <Zarator> so yeah, do it if you feel like
[16:52:57] <Texas> does it matter if anything changes?
[16:52:57] <Jayy> ^ @ dogfish44
[16:52:58] <Complications> the live chat might be nice
[16:52:59] <Zarator> I don't care much either way
[16:53:02] <dogfish44> for instance, we could genuinely set up a #raidzone
[16:53:05] <Jayy> perms in discord are easy af
[16:53:09] <Jayy> lmao #raidzone
[16:53:15] <smashlloyd20> yeah subchannels are much easier on discord
[16:53:16] <Zarator> Dogfish44: No reason to
[16:53:20] <Zarator> it'd kill #capasb
[16:53:21] <Zarator> <3
[16:53:24] <Texas> at the end of the day we've maxed any utility we can get from irc i reckon