Cursing in the swamp (ou team)

[Ogreman2l1]

My 2ed attement at a RMT Almost copying my friend prof. dickweed, I choose to use cursing Lickilicky. Hoping to not get moded again here we go. At a glance in no paticular order:

Here we go

(levitate)
azelf-navie @ focus sash
4 Atk 252 SpA 252 Spe

stealth rock
explosion
flamethrower/ taunt
psychic

My lead for this team. I get the steath rock up no matter what. Flamethrower for any lead sizor. Psychic for lead ape and explosion for when im down with the focus sash. Im concidering taunt becuase i have the heatran but i dont know.

(natural cure)
Starmie @ Life Orb
4 HP 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Nature: Timid -
Hydro Pump
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Reflect


My heatran counter and gyarados., and status asorber. thanks to katherine fo the change, i now have some way of killing many common threats.

(pressure)
Zapdos-bold @ leftovers
252 HP 220 Def 36 Spe

discharge
heatwave
roost
hp grass

My main sizor counter. also some hope of walling a ttar but little hope of killing it. My physical wall. It aslo can counter lucario being resisant to aura sphere and close combat. some sweeping abliliy but not much.

(flash fire)
Heatran-Timid @ choice scarf
252Spe 252SpA 6HP
Fire blast
Dragon pulse
explosion
earth power

My revenge killer. Does what it needs to do which is to kill the things that may be a counter or problem for my lickilicky mostly weavile and i can kill a salamance hopefuly with dragon pulse. also i can deal with sizor too if i need to. my main problem is power but it is a heatran so i hope it can ko things fast.

i dont know what set to run, im thinking choice band. any help wanted

My late game sweeper.

Threats:

TTar- machamp!
Suicune-O crap i cant even fathom a way to kill it. my main sorce of problems.
Heatran- i can come in with my heatran or starmie and ko with earth power and surf repectivly
i think i cover the main threats in the explations.

Thanks in advance im open to all suggestions. and all spelling errors are my fault and will be taken care of if pointed out. (and on a side note, killzone 2 in 4 days if you want to add me just ask.) changed to snorlaxz and my machamp is a choice band fits better

 

[YTP]

Opposing Zapdos are a very big problem for this team. Lickilicky can't take many hits because of his lack of recovery and his average Special Defense. So to fix this I would replace Lickilicky with the standard Curse Lax. Not only does this help with Zapdos but it also helps with Heatran. On Zapdos I suggest giving it an EV spread of 252 HP / 80 SAtk / 176 Speed. This outruns Jolly SD Luke and allows you to KO him with Heat Wave.

I would actually replace Starmie with Vaporeon. This gives your Heatran wish support and gives you a much better switch into DDLO Gyarados who can do some major damage to your starmie with Bounce. Zapdos/Heatran/Vaporeon deals with most of the threats in the metagame. Azelf lead just isn't fitting for me. Looks like your Heatran could use some fire bait so maybe a ScarfJirachi lead over it.

 

[Colloquy]

On Azelf, Fire Blast > Flamethrower, as it will 2HKO Bronzong.

Okay, now. You don't need so many Gyarados counters. I'd remove Porygon2, as it's doing absolutely nothing besides "countering" Salamence, who can be handled by using HP Ice on Heatran over Dragon Pulse. Starmie is a fine choice as a Gyarados counter, but I don't think you need to use the Rapid Spinning set, as you only have one SR weak, who can heal itself back to full health. So, I propose you use this set.

Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam / Reflect
- Recover

Hydro Pump 2HKOs Bronzong and Jirachi as well as Tyranitar, but we'll get to that later. Thunderbolt + Ice Beam provide great coverage, and Thunderbolt takes on Gyarados, but you can't outpace it after a DD, so using Reflect could come in handy.

Okay, another thing about this team is it's giant Tyranitar weakness, nothing can even touch it. Therefore, I propose having Machamp in place of Porygon2, who we have removed, as it takes on any Tyranitar with absolute ease.
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Okay, full rate coming tomorrow, sorry.

 

[Thorns]

Lickilicky isn't really that great. If you want a Normal Curser, use Snorlax. Granted, Snorlax doesn't have Explosion, but he does have Selfdestruct (like you should be using it). Curse/Body Slam/Crunch/Fire Punch is really cool, but you can use Rest over Fire Punch.

Actually, you shouldn't really be using Curselax either. You can replace Lickilicky with a Vaporeon who can take on Tyranitar, Suicune and Heatran very well (well, to a certain extent).

Porygon2 admittedly isn't doing too much for this team. Heatran comes in on Outrage, and Starmie can come in on (an unboosted) Earthquake or a Fire move. Plus, since Draco Meteor + any move together will beat Porygon2, it isn't a Salamence counter.

Your weakness to SkarmBliss is pretty disgusting as well. On such an offensive team like this, I'm thinking a (you're welcome to shoot me for this) Mixed Dragonite can really help you out. It beats SkarmBliss and other obese defensive threats like Rotom-a.

 

[Imran]

Heh, your comments aren't "as" bad as they look at a first glance, although you tell us what each member does, you don't really tell us much about how your team works as a unit. This also shows in your last RMT, although the comments have improved since then. Try to think outside of simple "roles for your Pokemon" and try to see the bigger picture as to how your team works together, what you do with each mon, common situations you find yourself in etc... That way you will not only understand the team more yourself, but you will have a clearer idea what you want out of your RMT, what problems the team has been having, and what help you need with it! If you need help with this, there is always the tutoring programme, Battling 101, to help you out =)

First off, I am like fourthing the notion that Curseing Lickylicky is almost entirely outclassed by Curseing Snorlax in OU. Snorlax has a much larger SpD and HP stats that it can use to set up on a lot of Special Attackers, Zapdos and Heatran are good examples. Lickilicky, whilst boosting it's Defence leaves itself a little open on the Special side, especially considering the power levels of some of the special attackers in the OU tier, that are mainly held in check by Blissey, and of course, Snorlax! So the standard set will probably do well for you to start with:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Careful Nature / Thick Fat
EVs: 168 HP / 126 Def / 220 SpD
~ Curse
~ Return
~ Rest
~ Earthquake

This is the moveset that will probably work out best for you, you have a very large Tyranitar weakness, which Earthquake allows you to get around, as a secondary check. I will try to patch up this weakness for you in a bit, but I would still keep Earthquake in there as a second insurance. The EVs give you good all-round defenses after one Curse, and a decent Atack stat after a couple of Crses, so that you can begin to deal out large damage. Curselax will allow you to set up on Blissey with Rest which will really benefit you, as a lot of your team is walled by it (barring Explosions.) Consider Crunch over Rest if Rotom becomes a huge issue, but odds on it is just going to Will-o-Wisp anyway, so you are better off switching to Heatran.

The second problem with your team is really that it doesn't seem to be designed to take out the counters to Curseing Pokemon, these counters are usually powerfully physically Attacking Pokemon such as CBTar who can lay some serious damage on Snorlax before it gets a chance to Curse. Specifically the problem Pokemon here is Tyranitar, and then there are a multitide of threats that will sweep if your one (in some cases feeble) check goes down.

I want to get rid of Starmie in all honesty. It isn't doing a whole load for your team, the spinning isn't that necessary. It is bait for DD tar, Latias, Salamence and a whole host of other threats that could be dangerous to your team. You really need a physical presence here to ward off Blissey. I also am going to propose that you use Machamp in that spot, it is a certain switch in to Blissey the majority of the time and is a decent Tyranitar counter (good job Katherine.) Here is the set that I would like you to use:

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature / No Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 248 HP / 8 Spe
~ DynamicPunch
~ Payback
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

The 8 Spe is to get ahead of 4 Speed Blissey who may get lucky on the Seismic Toss and beat you, that is not something that you can allow to happen. Alternative EV spread as are possible, there are bulkier spreads that will allow you to take further beatings from the likes of Tyranitar, and there are Speedier spreads that will allow you to outspeed stuff like Tyranitar and Skarmory, and all the while you can be playing around with the Attacking power vs Bulk issue. PM me if you would like to pursue this in more detail.

Furthermore, as thorns pointed out MixMence will be bothersome, as will Skarmbliss. Sticking another Steel type in there may be useful, perhaps over Porygon2, but test out the ideas i have given you so far, come back, tell me what works and what doesn't work and we will proceed to patch up any more weaknesses that you might find from there. SD Scizor might be nice somewhere, if you want to give it a go. Best of luck!

EDIT: Oh you subbed Machamp in whilst I posted, I'd still say get rid of Starmie instead, which admittedly may open up a larger Infernape weakness, but I feel we can patch that up a little later. Perhaps you could out a Calm Mind Latias over Zapdos. Play around with a few things and see what happens. Find the variation of the team that works best and we will see where to go from there!

 

[Ogreman2l1]

thanks for helping but i need starmie for special attack coverage or im screwed and i have been around a while, but most of my teams are sandstrom teams so i never needed help with them so i never posted a rmt until i tryed to become more standard.