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Twinkytoes

Lead

Jolteon @ Petaya Berry
Timid Nature w/ Volt Absorb
252 hp, 6 SAtk, 252 Spd
-THunderbolt
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Roar

Pretty much Standard Jolty. Subpasser with a petaya boost to my special sweeper, roar Phazes.

Physical Sweeper

Weavile @ Focus Sash/Expert Belt
Jolly Nature w/ Pressure
6 hp, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
-Ice Punch
-Brick Break
-Night Slash
-Pursuit

Standard physical sweeper weavile. Nothing different, we've all seen this before. Focus Sash for Priority moves.

Special sweeper

Raikou @ Life Orb
Timid Nature w/ Pressure
6 hp, 252 Spd, 252 SAtk
-THunderbolt
-HP Grass 70
-Extrasensory
-Calm Mind

Again, pretty much standard. Calm mind makes him a threat if i don't have the right pokemon to BP something without dying to the pokemon i'm up against (Eg. Jolteon vs Scarfchomp locked on EQ).

Wish Supporter And Physical Wall

Leafeon @ Leftovers
Impish nature w/Leaf Guard
252 hp, 6 spd, 252 Def
-Wish
-Protect
-Toxic/Yawn
-Sunny Day

I'm not sure about my status move here. Yawn is better at forcing switches and if they don't, it lets me get a sweeper or BPer out more easily, but toxic can't be avoided easily and does damage, which is useful against walls. I'm not sure. Other tahn that, she is a standard wish supporter, which is better than umbreon because of leaf guard and Sunny day combo.

Special based BPer #2

Ambipom @ Leftovers
Timid Nature w/ Technician
252 hp, 6 SAtk, 252 Spd
-Thunderbolt/Taunt
-Agility
-Nasty PLot
-Baton Pass

THis passes special boosts to Raikou. I'm not sure about TBolt/Taunt. I can deal with Skarmory and GYara etc. with TBolt, as they can easily deal with me, but TBolt lets me actually take them out. If I use taunt, i can put the SAtk EVs into def.

Physical Based BPer

Smeargle @ Salac Berry
Jolly nature w/ Own Tempo
252 hp, 6 def, 252 Spd
-Spore
-Substitute
-Belly Drum
-Baton Pass

Belly-Pass Smeargle. SPore something and sub up, then belly drum, get the speed boost from Salac Berry and safely pass away while i got the speed. THis passes to weavile, which consequently wreaks Havoc.
 
Well ScarfChomp completely destroys your team, and Roar on Jolteon is completely useless on something so fragile with STAB Thunderbolt. You are better off attacking Suicune, Skarmory and Weezing with Thunderbolt than Roaring them away. Swampert could be dealt with HP Grass, meaning you don't get raped by another ground, or you could go HP Ice for dragons. Either way, Roar is a poor choice.

I lulzed when I say this. You don't have a single Taunter on this team, no Ingrain, nothing. You will just be Phazed away. Another thing, you need to switch up your types a bit. You have 3 weaks to fighting and no resists, have fun when Choice Scarf Heracross sweeps with just Close Combat. Hell, Choice Scarf Primeape rips this team in shreds.

CM Kou needs Leftovers and Substitute, even with the boosts, he won't be sweeping for a while since he relies on HP for another attack. Extrasensory is shit, get rid of it for Sub. You should only use it on Choice sets or if you can't get a decent HP, which you have.
 
Hm. Maybe replace roar on jolteon with hp ice, because weavile is the only poke on your team that can handle chomp, or replace hp grass on raikou with hp ice...but i guess its personal preferance?

wow you must really hate gyara
 
@ Albatross 2KO: Ambipom is Taunter. I wasn't sure about roar in the first place, so i will replace it with a hidden power, but i think its dark, so that isn't good is it.

@ PK thunder: I think i might go for Ice shard instead on weavile to handle chomp, but once i get the Salac boost from smeargle i outspeed jolly scarfchomp anyway, let alon adamant, and chomp wouldn't dare switch in on a spore from him, nor an ice punch, and if he does come in on weavile, that can only mean he's scarfed, so can switch to my physical wall (leafeon) and yawn him away or toxic him to annoy. I can then stall him out of life with toxic or as i say, force a switch with yawn. I dont think chomp is a major threat if i've got a weavile that can ice punch and will be receiving a boost from Salac pass anyway, but thanks alot
 
Make leafeon the phazer. Give him this odd set I made up yesterday. I never looked it up in the analysis, but;

Roar
Wish
Yawn
Leaf Blade

It's basically a Tangrowth with wish :D
 
Twinkytoes said:
Lead

Jolteon @ Petaya Berry
Timid Nature w/ Volt Absorb
252 hp, 6 SAtk, 252 Spd
-THunderbolt
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Roar

Pretty much Standard Jolty. Subpasser with a petaya boost to my special sweeper, roar Phazes.

Physical Sweeper

Weavile @ Focus Sash/Expert Belt
Jolly Nature w/ Pressure
6 hp, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
-Ice Punch
-Brick Break
-Night Slash
-Pursuit

Standard physical sweeper weavile. Nothing different, we've all seen this before. Focus Sash for Priority moves.

Special sweeper

Raikou @ Life Orb
Timid Nature w/ Pressure
6 hp, 252 Spd, 252 SAtk
-THunderbolt
-HP Grass 70
-Extrasensory
-Calm Mind

Again, pretty much standard. Calm mind makes him a threat if i don't have the right pokemon to BP something without dying to the pokemon i'm up against (Eg. Jolteon vs Scarfchomp locked on EQ).

Wish Supporter And Physical Wall

Leafeon @ Leftovers
Impish nature w/Leaf Guard
252 hp, 6 spd, 252 Def
-Wish
-Protect
-Toxic/Yawn
-Sunny Day

I'm not sure about my status move here. Yawn is better at forcing switches and if they don't, it lets me get a sweeper or BPer out more easily, but toxic can't be avoided easily and does damage, which is useful against walls. I'm not sure. Other tahn that, she is a standard wish supporter, which is better than umbreon because of leaf guard and Sunny day combo.

Drop Sunny Day. Leaf Guard is not that great ability to use and you don't have pokemon benefit from it. Just use seds set or another set instead.

Special based BPer #2

Ambipom @ Leftovers
Timid Nature w/ Technician
252 hp, 6 SAtk, 252 Spd
-Thunderbolt/Taunt
-Agility
-Nasty PLot
-Baton Pass

THis passes special boosts to Raikou. I'm not sure about TBolt/Taunt. I can deal with Skarmory and GYara etc. with TBolt, as they can easily deal with me, but TBolt lets me actually take them out. If I use taunt, i can put the SAtk EVs into def.

Physical Based BPer

Smeargle @ Salac Berry
Jolly nature w/ Own Tempo
252 hp, 6 def, 252 Spd
-Spore
-Substitute
-Belly Drum
-Baton Pass

Belly-Pass Smeargle. SPore something and sub up, then belly drum, get the speed boost from Salac Berry and safely pass away while i got the speed. THis passes to weavile, which consequently wreaks Havoc.
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Fast and Strong scarfers will cause havoc for you , so will the dragons, to remedy this problem may I suggest putting in a celebi with: thunderwave, hp ice, grass knot, and recover over leafeon? Also a togekiss over raikou may help add some much needed bulk and raikou and jolteon is kinda redundant.
Hopefully this helps.
 
Jolteon-Fine

Weavile-Sash>Expert Belt for the reason you mentioned.

Raikou-Fine

Leafeon-Fine

Ambipom-Fine

Smeargle-it is going to get eaten up without Sash. Yes I know you can't get Belly Drum and Salac Boost but use Dragon Dance instead since it increases both the stats you would with Belly Drum and Salac Berry
 
This team really need a status absorber/natural curer.
A lead such as Jolteon w/o any absorber backing it up will guaranteed you several -1/-2 turn behind. You should understand how many and common Choice Scarf users are there these days.
 
Yeah the problem with this team is how easily it can be shut down with a phazer or status. Blissey would just love this team because she doesn't care how good raikou is without sub. I think 1-2 BPers are suffecient since this is lacking power. A good BP Team has 5 BP and 1-2 recipitents. If it doesn't then just forgo that route. Consider Woob on here if you insist on BP though as it works well with smeargle.
 
Hinorushi said:
Jolteon-Fine

Weavile-Sash>Expert Belt for the reason you mentioned.

Raikou-Fine

Leafeon-Fine

Ambipom-Fine

Smeargle-it is going to get eaten up without Sash. Yes I know you can't get Belly Drum and Salac Boost but use Dragon Dance instead since it increases both the stats you would with Belly Drum and Salac Berry
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Smeargle only sets up on anything he outspeeds. He can Spore them and then he Subs. If they swicth i can belly drum next turn after subbing and he won't get hit because of the sub. He then passes it and will outspeed most of the time anyway because of the berry boost. If i have the sub then yay for me, but weavile still wont die on the BP in because of STAB.

I will put sash on weavile

sakae said:
This team really need a status absorber/natural curer.
A lead such as Jolteon w/o any absorber backing it up will guaranteed you several -1/-2 turn behind. You should understand how many and common Choice Scarf users are there these days.
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LEafeon absorbs status because of the SunnyGuard combo. Leaf guard and sunny day prevent and cure status.

KinglerDude24 said:
Yeah the problem with this team is how easily it can be shut down with a phazer or status. Blissey would just love this team because she doesn't care how good raikou is without sub. I think 1-2 BPers are suffecient since this is lacking power. A good BP Team has 5 BP and 1-2 recipitents. If it doesn't then just forgo that route. Consider Woob on here if you insist on BP though as it works well with smeargle.
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Explain how blissey doesn't die to weaviles Brick Break, especially with maxed attack form Smeargles bellyPass.

And i don't see how Woob works with smearrgle. He doesn't need any boosts at all so he wont be taking the BPs, and the aim of Spore and Sub is that he won't die. I don't think a revenge killer would be any help on a team that will be hitting hard and fast and shouldn't be dying too quickly anyway. I suppose wobby would be good for finishing the game after i've done some sweeping, and he could be useful for taking out scarfed opponents.

I'm not sure about wobby, but he is myrder to train up to lvl 100 and EV and Pokesav is against my principals, so i think i will give it a miss for now, but thanks anyway. By far the most constructive point here so far
 
If smeargle correctly does this. With all the sleep talkers / lum berry / phazers / NCers ect. smeargle has trouble doing this. With wobby he can come in on something encored and set up somewhat better but I still think it doesn't work. And only 1 recipitent in the form of weavile is not too good.
 
Why is weavile not good? After the berry boost it will outspeed pretty much the entire game and will have insane attack after getting the boost.

I think i might use sweelow, because she is gettinng the GutsSTABFacade combo, which will be doing loads from a belly pass, but for now i like weavile.
 
Im not saying weavile is bad but I am saying that it isn't wise to have him as the only recipitent and that he is your only physical attacker. If something phazes him away like skarmory you could be in trouble. And if they have anything with a priority move weavile is pretty much done. Then blissey comes in and wreaks havoc. I just would consider adding another physical sweeper to benefit from it.
 
But if I add another physical sweeper then it is losing the theme because I have to replace a BPer.

Priority WTF??? THats the point of focus sash, and a Belly Drummed Ice punch, Night Slash or brick Break isn't going to forgive much.

After weavile dies I will be LURVED by the Fat Whore, but weavile won't be outsped by much after she has the Berry boost from smeargle, and Phazers always strike last anyway. And I can wish-pass to smeargle to start again.
 
An Agiligross can easily set up on Weavile, Leafeon and Ambipom and sweep your team. Other versions of Metagross are also a problem. Also, the viability of Baton Pass teams is a lot lower than it used to be with the new and improved taunt, Phazing moves and Encore. Also I'd recommend not using Focus Sash on anything because almost every team runs either Stealth Rock or Sandstorm, which renders it useless. SubSalac Garchomp is also a big problem for this team if it sets up a Sub on Raikou, Ambipom or Leafeon. All in all, I recommend starting again without using a BP team.
 
Well, i think your team can lead off with Machamp with Stone Edge/ Dynamic Punch/ Rest/ Sleep Talk. In this way, you can counter Gengar, Gyaraods, Tyranitar, Weavile, and have sleep talker.
 
Or maybe if you guys would stop thinking Dynamic Punch is machamps only good move, you could get Guts and use Cross Chop on the restalker, doing more than 1.5 times as much damage... Seriously, No Guard isn't machamp's only ability.
 
I think if I used machamp I might go for guts and Cross Chop, because I will be hitting harder with either of my moves, but I can't reliably counter gengar if I have a 2/3 chance of using Cross Chop or Rest. For now I'll stick with my Jolt lead, but I might change the style of the team. I have tried this team out and it Hasn't been very successful.
 
I personally think that weaisel, jolteon, smeargle, and raikou are great, yet leafeon cant really help. maybe you should try adding an infernape, and you have 2 electrics...maybe a ice type could help...just a thought
 
Ape isn't helping here. I have no problemos with walls, I set up with boosts thay can't handle.

I am thinking of removing raikou, maybe I'll put in my Gengar. If I am passing to something with the same waknesses as the pokemon that passes, then I will surely die quickly, whereas Gar has EQ immunity so taht might be slightly more useful than Kou. The only prblem I have with this is that gar doesn't work as well in the late game because he can't get a stat booster despite his diverse movepool. Any opinions?
 
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