Dancing Fatality

[Skillie23]

Introduction

Hello guys, I wanted to build a team around a powerful pokémon with a moveset that people not easily expect in wifi. So, I decide to take Dragon Dance Tyranitar.

Here's my main pokémon.

Heatran is the perfect teammate because it's an resistance to steels attacks and he take care of Tyranitar's mainly counters.

I take Zapdos because I needed a fighting and ground resistance and he can take care of Heatran's mainly counters.

My 4th pokemon is Heracross because it's help me to defeat Blissey and Snorlax who is walling me. It's an ground and fighting resistance too so it's cool.

I needed a pokémon who can resist powerful water attacks. I take vaporeon who absorb they and defeat Heracross mainly counters

Finally, I search for a pokemon who is certain to put stealth rock in the battle. Ptera can perfectly do this, thankfully to his great speed. He can taunt too so I've got a little advantage in the match.


The team in depht:

@ focus sash
Pressure
4 hp / 252 attack / 252 speed
Nature: Jolly
♦ Stealth Rock => It's why he's in the team.
♦ Taunt => Prevent other Stealth Rock in 99 % of times.
♦ Earthquake => Coverage attack
♦ Rock Slide => Coverage stabbed Attack. Rock Slide for precision and "haxxing"

=> Aerodactyl is here for setting up his Stealth Rock and for taunting a pokemon who attempt to do the same.

Threat List:

=> I taunt at the first round and set up my Stealth Rock at the second.

=> I set up my Stealth Rock and go to death so I can Revenge Kill him with Zapdos (see later with Zapdos description).

=> I taunt (depending on winning or loosing the speed tie) and set up my SR (depending from the speed tie one more time) and attack with Rock Slide. If I loose my speed tie, I attack with Rock Slide

=> I set up my Stealth Rock and if I don't die with Météor Mash + Bullet Punch, I taunt.

=> I taunt and after his ice beam, I set up my Stealth Rock.

=> I set up my Stealth Rock and if he didn't trick me, I taunt

=> I taunt so I don't sleep and set up my Stealth Rock.

=> I taunt so he don't WoW me or set up his Stealth Rock and I set up my Stealth Rock.

=> I taunt and set up my Stealth Rock.

@ Lum berry
Sand Stream
4 HP / 252 attk / 252 speed
Nature: Jolly
♦ Dragon Dance => It's the reason why I take him.
♦ Earthquake => Coverage Attack
♦ Crunch => Coverage Stabbed Attack
♦ Stone Edge => Coverage Stabbed Attack

=> Dragon Dance Tyranitar is here for finish the team after the other pokemons have eliminate all his counters.

@ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
252 spec. attack / 4 spec.defense / 252 speed
Nature: Naive
♦ Fire Blast => Coverage Stabbed Attack
♦ Earth Power => Coverage Stabbed Attack used to kill other heatrans mainly.
♦ H.P Grass => It's my only think to defeat Swampert.
♦ Explosion => It's a final attack if i'm paralysed or if I have nothing more to kill Blissey because Heracross is died.

=> I needed a pokémon who can take care of the mainly counters of Tyranitar : Scizor, Lucario, Skarmory, Swampert, Hippowdon . And at the same time who resists from steels attacks . The other counters of Tyranitar : Breloom and Machamp are defeated by Zapdos (see Zapdos description). So I take Scarftran because it's the only way to outspeed Lucario.

@ Choice specs
Pressure
4 attk / 252 sp. attk / 252 speed
Nature: Timid
♦ Thunderbolt => Stabbed Coverage Attack
♦ Heat Wave => Second opportunity to kill Scizor and Lucario if Heatran died
♦ H.P Fly => He's taking care of Breloom and Machamp who are Tyranitar's mainly counters. Without that, Machamp was destroying all my team.
♦ U-Turn => He can U turn out to an appropriate counter

=> I'm taking him because he take care of Heatran's mainly counters: Bulky waters. I needed too a ground and fighting resistance.

@ Choice Band
Guts
96 HP / 252 attk / 160 speed
Nature: Adamant
♦ Close Combat => Stabbed Coverage Attack
♦ Stone Edge => allows him to defeat fly pokémons on the switch
♦ Sleeptalk => He can attack without taking hits because he must wait to wake up.
♦ Rest => Increase his staying power and his attack too.

=> I take Heracross because it's my second resistance to fighting and ground but it's too a pokemon who can take care of Blissey and Snorlax, the two biggest special defenses wall in the game who were walling my team without him or require Heatran to explode and I will lost him for the rest of the battle.

@ leftovers

Water absorb
252 HP / 4 spec. attack / 252 spec. defense
Nature: Calm
♦ Surf => Stabbed Coverage Attack
♦ H.P Electric => Allows me to defeat Gyarados and absorb his attacks very wel.
♦ Wish => Increase my staying power and health another pokemon who's going to die
♦ Protect => Prevents me from some explosion and make me sure that my wish will come true to health me.

=> I needed a pokémon who take care of Heracross mainly counter mainly : Gliscor and I needed to a resistance to water because the combo water/ice kill 3 pokémons of my team so I take him that absorb it.

Conclusion of the strategy:

All the pokémons are here to help Tyranitar to do his work to finish the opponment's team. I've got very difficult with my team vs Starmie Life Orber.

 

[gritane]

It's too short try to add some descriptions to the team
overall it semms solid

Use megahorn on rest for your heracross sleep talk is here just to absorb sleep powders in midgame ( cuz ptera will take care of roserade so you can even use pursuit on sleep talk

If you have the time add a threat list :D

 

[Azlanslayer]

Hey, solid team. and short rate

Threats
SD/NP Infernape, DD Dragonite, Lack of Rapid Spinner.

Solutions
Having Zapdos without a Rapid Spinner is weird, taking 25% from SR is hurting Zapdos, as well as his offensive capabilities to attack. I suggest you replacing Heracross/Vaporeon for Starmie. Starmie serves as a Rapid Spinner, as well as a check to many pokemon such as Infernape,Gyarados,Dragonite. Here's the set: Starmie @ Life Orb | Natural Cure | Timid | 4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe | Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Surf / Rapid Spin. Yeah, the team looks solid. You can use Specs Heatran, and make Zapdos, Agilty Zapdos.

Good Luck

 

[Skillie23]

Gritane => Yes, sorry it was an error from me. My Heracross has Megahorn, I just think that I had rest (lol)

Azlanslayer => I can't change Heracross, if I do, I have nothing to defeat snorlax and blissey that walls my team. And he bring me a second fighting and ground resistance. If I change vaporeon, starmie would be a good teammate so he can RK dragonite and gyarados but I don't like to have a lot of same weakness so I try to build a good team without a lot of same weakness.

I can't change scarftran in heatran too because if I do, Lucario will outspeed me and kill me at least 2 pokémons. (Tyranitar and Heatran)

I can't change Zapdos because if I do, I will not kill Machamp who can defeat all my team.

 

[Azlanslayer]

Starmie with Psychic can beat Machamp. Oh Yeah, how about using BRELOOM > Heracross. Breloom is really deadly. Your team can support Breloom pretty well, since Zapdos and Heatran is walled by Blissey, Breloom can take care of Blissey. Anyways, solid team

Good Luck

 

[afterburn]

Weaknesses:
Life Orb Starmie
Offensive Suicune
Mixed Flygon
Crocune
Cure+Rest Swampert
Stall breaking
Dragon Dance Tyranitar

How they're threats
Starmie is usually gonna be a pain in the neck, outspeeding all your members and hitting them super effectively between Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/Thunder Bolt. Everyone is hit hard, and Heatran isn't guaranteed a safe switch in. When they see you sending in Heatran after they kill a Pokemon, they're likely to get suspicious. Offensive Suicune can can come in on Tyranitar, Fire Blast locked Heatran, Vaporeon, set up multiple Calm Minds, and wreck your team with Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/HP Electric. Flygon is another Pokemon that you can't hit hard enough with any move, while it puts a lot of pressure on your team between Draco meteor/Earthquake/Roost/Fire Blast. Last Pokemon CroCune and CursePert are also very annoying, without any PHazer, or anything really that can put a dent in them, other than maybe Zapdos, and it can't do much to Swampert. Finally Dragon Dance Tyranitar sets up on Heatran or Choice Locked Zapdos, and wrecks the team.

Solutions
Alright, first thing's first, why do you have Rest/sleep talk on a Choiced Pokemon? Heracross wants Leftovers. Vaporeon is going to be taking a hefty hit from most neutral physical attacks, so give it this spread: EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 SpD Bold. I don't know why you're maxing out HP, since its got plenty of that already, you should be aiming to max out Vaporeon's 65 defense stat to take physical hits better.

There really are two groups here: 1)fast offensive Pokemon, because your team is generally slow. 2) Bulky Waters (Suicune/Swampert), and to a greater extent, stall. Currently I think Heracross is the weakest link to the team, as it handles Blissey, but Tyranitar already sets up on it. Zapdos as well, because it doesn't actually "stop" the aforementioned water types.

Currently I'm thinking about Tinkerbell Celebi over Zapdos. It gives you the same ground/fighting resist and forms the Celetran combo with Heatran. Celebi helps you check Starmie, Suicune and Mixed Flygon, which usually invest 176spe. It also puts a large dent in Curse pert, and can cripple incoming Tyranitar with Thunderwave.

Give this set a shot over Zapdos:

Celebi @ Life Orb
Modest
32 HP/ 244 Sp. Atk/ 232 Spe
--Thunder Wave
--Leaf Storm
--Hidden Power Ice/Earth power
--Recover

So we still need a good Stall Breaker and Dragon Dance Tyranitar check. Try Stall Breaking Gliscor over Heracross.

Here's the set:

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Jolly
252 HP/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
--Earthquake
--Taunt
--Roost
--Toxic

With this you have a very sweet check to physical attackers, especially Tyranitar, Lucario, Physical Infernape. It also keeps the much needed Ground/Fighting resist, and resists them better than heracross, because of superior defenses. Tyranitar+Gliscor+Vaporeon also make a very potent defensive combination. Gliscor absorbs all Fighting an Ground inclined attacks for Tyranitar, and Vaporeon comes in to absorb any Bulky Water's WaterFall/Surf (i.e. gyarados)

So basically, Gliscor does heracross's duties, such as handling Blissey and Snorlax with Toxic/Taunt/Roost, but with a more defensive approach with overall greater bulk, and speed.

Anyway, GL!

 

[Skillie23]

I'm sorry but Blissey has Natural Cure so the poison don't do anything. For heracross, it was an error like I said before it's megahorn/close combat/stone edge/sleeptalk. And Gliscor isn't strong enough to kill him.

If I take Celebi it's a too great weakness in bug and too much weakness with the others team mates.

For Starmie: I sait that he was destroying my entire team.

Offensive suicune : No time for him, I send zapdos and kill him with a choice specs thunderbolt. If he tank and has the time to attack, if he do ice beam I don't die and finish him, If he do calm mind I finish him too because he don't tank one more time.

Mixed Flygon => I don't see much of that thing but I send vaporeon and tank his draco météor and tank every others attacks.

Crocune => The same as suicune.

Swampert => he will take a hp grass from heatran and if he predict that, he will switch so I don't must to fight him


You said that I must change for Célébi but he die too vs Starmie LO

 

[afterburn]

Yes Blissey has natural cure, but it can't do much to Gliscor either. If it stays in, it gets risking Toxic stalled. Yes Blissey can switch out to cure the poisoning, but I can say the same about Heracross. Blissey will switch out if it sees Heracross and fear Close combat.

Celebi makes too many weaknesses with bug, lol? FYI Heracross resist bug, and so does Gliscor if you use him. Too many weaknesses? I told you he forms the celetran combo with heatran which resists 16/17 types.

Also you have a MASSIVE rock weakness I forgot to address before.

For this reason use Scarf Jirachi over Heatran. They check quite the similar things, and since you need Heatran mainly for Lucario, Jirachi can also accomplish that goal, while also giving you a check to Tyranitar if you don't want to use Gliscor. Its also a very good revenge killer to Jolly/Adamant Dragon Dance Dragonite. Heatran couldn't revenge kill it outside of explosion.

here's the set:

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
--Iron head
--Trick
--Fire Punch
--Ice Punch

You say Zapdos checks bulky waters, but it can't even switch in on them safely, especially when taking Stealth Rock into the matter.

You can't directly send in Zapdos in on Suicune, say if it Hydro Pumps first instead of CM (which people do to hit incoming rotom and scout for counters). Zapdos will lose 65% of its health in this way, and when you factor in Stealth Rock, it'll be left with a meager 10%. Just sayin' that Zapdos isn't a surefire counter, especially with no defensive investement, or resistance to any attack bulky waters carry, or its own recovery.

You said Starmie is destroying the team, so thats why i suggested Celebi o_o

Heatran can't just OHKO curspert, lol. It'll be doing 72% maximum, and when you factor in Swampert's rest, left overs, and resistance to stealth rock, I find it hard to see how you'll get prior damage on him. +1 Curspert will OHKO Heatran after Stealth Rock.

Oh and FYI, your current Vaporeon may be able to take 30% from Mix Flygon's DracoMeteor, and then takes up to 58% from Earthquake. So don't even make the mistake of switching it into Flygon. Thats assuming special mix flygon. If its Physically based, then Vaporeon is simply going to get owned by Earthquake/Dragon Claw. both have the potential to 2HKO.

So either take the celebi/Gliscor suggestion, or the Jirachi. Since Jirachi can handle Flygon with Ice Punch, and many other threats, including stat uppers, and the like, while also taking Scarf/Band Tyranitar's Stone Edge and retaliating with Iron head.

 

[sharkz]

I second AzlanSlayer's suggestion to replace Heracross with a Breloom. Like the other posters have said, you have a big weakness to water types in general, as well as stall. Breloom says hi to stall and can hit water types with a good hard Seed Bomb, essentially solving most of your problems. He also deals with Blissey and Snorlax quite well, and doesn't give a shit about status thanks to Poison Heal.

Oh and yeah dude, we're trying to help you, so don't just reject every suggestion we make without and act like there's no problem. Thanks.

 

[Skillie23]

For Entei:

Lol whut, ONLY when Blissey switches thats when Toxic is gone => That's what I said because you don't think that Blissey will wait 7 or 8 turns for example before to switch ?

Oh really? What if Zapdos is gone, what are you going to do? => If Zapdos is gone, I send out Heatran and explode before suicune's boosts.

Every ATTACK? Flygon have team member's, remember that. => Me too, remember. If Flygon switch, i'm not gonna stay in the battle.

For Legend:

Yes Blissey has natural cure, but it can't do much to Gliscor either. If it stays in, it gets risking Toxic stalled. Yes Blissey can switch out to cure the poisoning, but I can say the same about Heracross. Blissey will switch out if it sees Heracross and fear Close combat. => Ok but with his great attack, Heracross will do some damage in the switch, Gliscor with his attack, not a lot.

Celebi makes too many weaknesses with bug, lol? FYI Heracross resist bug, and so does Gliscor if you use him. Too many weaknesses? I told you he forms the celetran combo with heatran which resists 16/17 types. => Yes and what if Heatran die ?

Also you have a MASSIVE rock weakness I forgot to address before. => Ptera is not here during the all match then it's only Zapdos.

For this reason use Scarf Jirachi over Heatran. They check quite the similar things, and since you need Heatran mainly for Lucario, Jirachi can also accomplish that goal, while also giving you a check to Tyranitar if you don't want to use Gliscor. Its also a very good revenge killer to Jolly/Adamant Dragon Dance Dragonite. Heatran couldn't revenge kill it outside of explosion.

here's the set:

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
--Iron head
--Trick
--Fire Punch
--Ice Punch

=> I'm ok with you, it's a good point. Thank you.

So I can't change heatran for jirachi because if I do, I will have a X 3 weakness in fire (with celebi ) for only one resistance and Celebi doesn't resists to Starmie LO too then why change ?

PS: People, I don't said that you're everybody wrong. I only want to give my opinion and said why I take this pokémon particulary.

You don't seem to understand that if I change for a breloom or a célébi, they don't resists to Starmie LO either

 

[Skillie23]

What do you think with:

Scarf jirachi in place of ScarfTran

Celebi Tinkerbell LO with Psyko/leaf storm/ thunderwave/recover in place of zapdos

machamp Sleeptalk in place of Heracross Sleeptalk

Gyarados bulky in place of vaporeon