Death to Latios

Okay, posted this team awhile back, revised it a couple times. fighting on PO so thundurus was throwin me in ubers. actually won a little(ripped the tits off a sandstorm team with vizirion with a double SD), but couldn't keep up with the stronger Uber teams. replaced with Zapdos to get back into DW OU, which worked, but zapdos ain't cuttin it. it's decent, and lightningrod was a game-changer, but I need more raw power for my special sweeper, as most of the time, I couldnt get the LR boost leaving me in a tough spot. entry hazards are a real pain too, which surprised me a little. mostly becuase vapo and bronz are switchin a lot to keep the team in a good spot defensively. rapid spin would help so I thought of replacing heatran with another pokemon who doesn't mind switching frequently into fire attacks and has rapid spin. Tentacruel? would also have toxic spikes that way which would help with my Vapo's weakness to gastrodon(Heal Bell has saved me too many times to switch for toxic).
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Vizirion @ Lum Berry
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Stone Edge
-Leaf Blade
Jolly/4Hp/252Atk/252Spe/Justified

Yeah this guy is the guy. He sweeps a good deal of the time since people are thinkin he's the calm mind set, or maybe somethin else, point is, he rocks as my physical sweeper. more often than not, gliscor's come in on him when I use swords dance, hit me with toxic which is cancelled by lum berry while I setup a second swords dance and OHKO it with leaf blade(altho for some reason I forget its there sometimes and use stone edge and it'll miss, and...yeah.) if they send in a psychic I switch to escavalier or bronzong. usually just play it by ear. latios with hidden power fire is kinda a problem for escavalier when he's lower on health. thinkin of switchin back to the full Hp investment since he's not outsped one thing except a curselax. anyway, not loookin for changes on vizirion since its a staple to the team.

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Zapdos @ Life Orb
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-roost
-substitute
Timid/4Hp/252Spa/252Spe/lightningrod

Absolutely need a replacement. something to have defensive synergy with vizirion and something that doesnt care about heatran. thundurus was banned and zapdos cant pay the bills.. had volt switch, but sleep inducers were breakin my balls(curse you smashpass/SD spore breloom) so went with substitute, but even then, the lack of power without lightningrod activating was an issue. life orb helped, loved the combology with roost, but need something more powerful, or at least less fragile. Dont really want to use zapdos anymore so please no mentioning of bulkier sets, unless you think it'll go well with tentacruel, and then only if you think tentacruel can replace heatran. Thought of elektross since he likes the screens and they're pretty easy to setup with bronzy.
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Escavalier @ Choice Band
-Megahorn
-Return
-Pursuit
-Reversal/toxic
Adamant/172Hp/252Atk/84Spe/Swarm

Worked like I hoped, countering reuniclus, latios(lacking HP Fire) but heavier boosters are sometimes a problem. had a snorlax use 6 curses, only won cuz of a lucky ass critical hit. also, some people have thrown out their ferrorthorn on this guy. not sure what they were expceting, but he usually gets a 2HKO or 3HKO if they have wish support. someone said to use toxic, and I think I just might since reversal and knock off I havent used once and it would make vapo happy with gastro's ass out of the way. love the pursuit too. alakazam, gengar, reuniclus have all died by its hand...claw...spear? anyway, it either kills them outright, or leaves them with one Hp with their focus sashes. As said above, I'm gonna change his hp back to max since the speed hasn't helped any and it'll prolly help with the users of HP Fire(a big fire attacker I switch his ass out). He's also crazy good when facing rain teams when the screens are up. I just throw them megahorns around and nobody can dent him worth diddle. Politoed you poor bastard, RIP. Swarm actually helped me a few times too, not much, but when ya forget about it as often as I do, and then it saves the day, yeah.
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Bronzong @ Light Clay
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
Relaxed/252Hp/152Atk/8Def/96SpD/Levitate

had jirachi, but bronzong worked waaaaay better. paired with vaporeon, un-freakin-believable. screens and wish and their ability to switch into each other's counters most of the time. I love how I thought of that before I read the smogon bit about it. not boastin, but it was a good feeling, made better by how well it worked in practice. He can setup on like freakin everybody, usually I set him up on other screen users. that Uxie, hehehe, what fun. ya know that saying to always keep your pokemon alive even if someone takes a big hit? truth, absolute truth. Haven't seen but one magnezone, and it was a screener so I 3HKOed with earthquake, stalled out the next guy til his screens disappeared and still had the health to replace my screens, switch to vaporeon, heal up bronzy, and switch to a sweeper. have had trouble predicting switches that need the other screen up but never too much of an issue. Oh, dynamicpunch/bullet punch machamp is a problem for everyone. couldn't get rid of it without losing at least one of my mons even with perfect prediction.
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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
-Scald
-Wish
-Protect
-Heal Bell
Bold/248Hp/252Def/8SpD/Water Absorb

replaced jellicent and never been happier. toxic proved less useful than heal bell, but gastrodon is a huge problem now when vizirion is down. Vapo and bronzy rock like Metallica did back in their prime. altho I'm more of a metal guy, and really have no right to reference something before my time. Anyhow, water absorb has come into play more than I expected, allowing me to come in on politoed, who'll use hidden power grass or electric, doing little damage, ignorable behind screens, then switch to someone needin that health. I'm gettin freaky lucky with the burns from scald too. it doesn't burn pokemon that switch to benefit, does on those who think it won't, and still manages to kill gliscor 89% of the time(not an actual percentage. I just name general estimates for stuff like that cuz I'm weird in that way). There's been times I wished(me, not vapo) I had ice beam but heatran or zapdos's HP Ice usually fil the gap, usually heatran as zapdos isn't...hell, I aint sayin it a third time. scrafty have tried to setup with bulk up on vapo, using that shed skin with rest to stop scald burns, but scald and protect kept it at bay, forcing a switch eventually.
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Heatran @ Air Balloon
-Flamethrower
-Hidden Power(Ice)
-Earth Power
-Flame Charge
Modest/252Spa/4SpD/252Spe/Flash Fire

Works a damn good portion of the time. taken a few excadrills out with him and that lovable air balloon, altho dont usually get to use it that way as I usually switch him into something he resists to get another poke out of a jam..haha, jam. does anybody say that anymore? anyway, other heatran are problematic since they usually do the choice set and come in on my flame charge, ruining any hope of a speed tie. and ditto, that amorphous little shit, is either doin the same thing, or becoming another of my pokemon, stealing my boosts and creatin big problems. had one come in on 3rd SD of my vizirion, swept my whole team. anyhow, back to heatran. I thought about replacing him with something like tentacruel, as the lack of rapid spin is hurtin me a lot. the toxic spikes would make vapo's lack of toxic less of an issue too. as vapo is the sole user of a status infliction, I dont see it hurtin at all, especially since steels and the immunity and blah blah blah we all know what I'm saying, and if you dont, why are you rating teams if dont know such basic material?

So summary or sorts, need a replace for zapdos, want some options over heatran, and opinion on elektross and tentacruel. tenta will be drawin electric I suppose which could make lightningrod more usable. hit me with your words you people!
 
you can use the smogon dex, just copy the image location.

www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/*insert name*

also edit your descriptions a bit, like make them longer. tell us why they are on the team, what they do, why you choose it, if it's replaceable etc.
 
Jellicent should utilize Will-o-Wisp to cripple and stall out enemies. I say replace Rain Dance for it, since Rain Dance will only make him setup fodder.

Also Hidden Power Ice is a good choice over Flame Charge for Heatran.
 
but hail hurts all my guys and the rain benefits them. with screens and rain, escavalier loses the 4x fire weakness. along with vizirion, and jirachi having an easier time. plus jellicent's scald becomes a OHKO on excadrill and guys like that. of course, heatran is only hurt by rain, but if I did decide to make it a solidified rain team, I'd take him out.
 
jellicent probably isnt the best rain dancer. maybe I should just make jellicent the standard burner and just enjoy the rain when it comes.

what about replacing jellicent with a wish vaporeon and jirachi with a screen bronzong with stealth rock, and add HPIce to heatran?
 
but hail hurts all my guys and the rain benefits them. with screens and rain, escavalier loses the 4x fire weakness. along with vizirion, and jirachi having an easier time. plus jellicent's scald becomes a OHKO on excadrill and guys like that. of course, heatran is only hurt by rain, but if I did decide to make it a solidified rain team, I'd take him out.

And Excadrill will annihilate Jellicent in sandstorm before you get the chance. At least Will-O-Wisp will cripple not only Excadrill but other mons'
 
For your Escavalier I would suggest running the EV's of 172Hp 252Atk 84Spe, this way he outspeeds and Ko's Slowbro with Megahorn before he gets hit with a Fire Blast or burned by Scald.
 
slowbro could be a problem. couldn't get it out without double switching to hetran then vizirion or letting escaval die and both of those are unfavorable.
what about replacing jellicent with a wish vaporeon and jirachi with a screen bronzong with stealth rock, and add HPIce to heatran?
 
Toxic can be used over Knock Off on Escavalier. For walls that resist everything it has and try to switch in expecting a megahorn.
I also agree with everyone else when saying Hail > Rain Dance on Jellicent and maybe Will-o-Wisp/Toxic over Ice Beam.
 
You should switch Virizion out for Terrakion, as it does everything but better.
Take out Earthquake and switch it for Stealth Rocks on Bronzong
Fire Blast over Flamethrower on Heatran
You don't even have a good lead, if you choose Bronzong it almost gets shut down by Taunt.
 
Mix Mence takes this team down It can Hydropump Heatran then OHKO
your whole healf your team with Fireblast. Even though you have Vaporeon to absorb Fire hits it will die with one Draco meteor.
 
yeah I'm seeing some of those problems. I switched heatran out for toxic spike/rapid spin tentacruel and it seems to work a little better. I'll add stealth rock to bronz as he really doesn't ever get a chance to use earthquake anyway I've noticed. And I like vizirion over terrakion because it can take super effective special hits and survive, whereas terrakion is a glass cannon, but I'll try it. also changed zapdos to pressure so I could put heat wave on him. scizor and genesect are giving me problems.
 
well, with terrakion I lose some situations vizirion would have breezed through, while terrakion does the same for vizirion scenarios. I just 6-0ed someone using him as a lead tho. not the best way to use him but hey, results dont lie, altho I got crits in all the right places. I keep him and try to utilize him later in the match. I kinda want tentacruel to do some more damage, but I dont see much flexibility in his Ev's. any thoughts?
 
Fight the Dragons, woo. Gallade can wreck Dragons with Ice Punch, Tyranitar that bluffs physical moves and carries BeamBolt can work as well over Zapdos.
 
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