Deoxys-A (no stat drops)

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It's better than the all-out attacker in my experience. The two also play differently: one is a wall breaker, the other more of a sweeper.

[SET]
name: Stat drop-less attacker
move 1: Psyshock
move 2: Low Kick
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Extremespeed
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive / Rash
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Why this set deserves to be on site (also set comments)
No stat drops makes Deoxys-A a lot more threatening, because you cannot play around with resistances while it burns its stats. For example, while you do deal a ton of damage with Psycho Boost, your opponent can equally switch out to a Psychic resist (like Lugia) and then recover health as you are forced to switch out. Granted, Deoxys-A can still attack from the physical side after a Psycho Boost, but that too can be played around: going to Dialga on Psycho Boost and then Groudon on Superpower, for example, means Deoxys-A achieves nothing. Since Deoxys-A's switch-ins are so precious, each time something like this happens you have trouble.

Without stat drops, playing around is a lot riskier. You could still go to Dialga on Psyshock and then Groudon on Low Kick, but Deoxys-A is still threatening to OHKO with Ice Beam. Hazards take their toll and all you have as compensation is the Life Orb recoil - not good enough.

Low Kick is here because most Uber Pokemon are very heavy. You can't take out Chansey and Blissey in one hit anymore, but Psyshock 2HKOes both of them so no worries. If they have Thunder Wave then they can sacrifice themselves to paralyze Deoxys-A, but most Chansey seem to have Toxic, I haven't seen much if any Blissey. On the other hand, I have caught a few people attempting to switch in Giratina / Giratina-O on the Fighting move, smacking both hard with Psyshock and (in Giratina's case) threatening Ice beam ...

[Additional Comments]
Alternative EV spreads
Alternative move choices (Grass Knot, Thunder / Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, HP Fire - pity Deoxys-A doesn't get Fire Blast / Flamethrower).

[Checks and Counters]
The four moves listed above are walled by Forretress, but aside from that ... it's Deoxys-A. Depending on its coverage choices it 2HKOes everything in the game. So basically just figure out its moveset (if you can) and check it accordingly. Worst case scenario, bring in a faster Scarfer or priority move and kill it.
 
Eh...I'm kinda iffy on this. You lose out a fair bit of power. Eg, against Scarfogre, or Specs-ogre (4/0), you do 83-97% with Psycho Boost (fair chance to KO after SR) and about 50% with Psyshock, which means you can't revenge kill that massive Water Spout. Similarly, Eviolite Chansey (4/252, Calm) takes 77-91% from Superpower (possible OHKO with SR) while it takes 45-53% with Psyshock and 38-46% with Low Kick (light ball of fluff), which makes it a lot harder for you to kill it (Chansey can just switch into Ice Beam or Extremespeed and start laughing).

Also the fact that it's essentially identical to the current set, with just the more reliable options over the powerful ones. It'd be better as a Slash or in OO.
 
i agree with sharpteeth. deoxys-a is hardly a defensive pokemon, especially by uber standards, so its not like being conservative really gets you anything in the long run. on a pokemon as frail and powerful as deo-a, your goal should just be to come in, deal as much damage as possible, then switch out. its not a pokemon that is meant to stick around for long periods of time and play conservatively. i would much rather just always use a hyper offensive one to deal crazy damage to everything under the sun, especially considering deoxys-a is essentially the definition of hyper offense. maybe this would warrant a mention in OO, but i definitely don't think this deserves its own set. i dont even think its worth a slash.
 
Sharpteeth said:
Eh...I'm kinda iffy on this. You lose out a fair bit of power. Eg, against Scarfogre, or Specs-ogre (4/0), you do 83-97% with Psycho Boost (fair chance to KO after SR) and about 50% with Psyshock, which means you can't revenge kill that massive Water Spout. Similarly, Eviolite Chansey (4/252, Calm) takes 77-91% from Superpower (possible OHKO with SR) while it takes 45-53% with Psyshock and 38-46% with Low Kick (light ball of fluff), which makes it a lot harder for you to kill it (Chansey can just switch into Ice Beam or Extremespeed and start laughing).

Also the fact that it's essentially identical to the current set, with just the more reliable options over the powerful ones. It'd be better as a Slash or in OO.
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We should get our calcs right. 252 SpA LO Psyshock vs. 0/252 Calm Eviolite Chansey: 49.1% - 58% (don't Low Kick it).

As for Kyogre, as with the on-set analysis, you pick your attacks to cover what you need. If you need to OHKO Kyogre because you don't have anything else that can handle it, you can always use Thunder or Grass Knot in place of the other attacks: 252 SpA LO Thunder vs. 4/0 Kyogre: 95.3% - 112.3%

Using attacks with no stat drops isn't being conservative. You give up the ability to hit for mad damage with a STAB move for the ability to maintain offensive presence. If you burn out your stats with Psycho Boost and Superpower, you will have to switch out sooner or later. Not the case with no stat drops. See the example I gave in the writeup. If you've used Psycho Boost and Superpower then you deal no damage now and have to switch out, but if you've used Psyshock and Low Kick then you are perfectly capable of staying in. How is that being conservative?

I don't see how this set is identical to the one on-site at all.
 
This set looks really identical to the gen 4 set... without super power... I sadly do agree with the above comments, really this sounds like something IMO that can go into the AC of a set. Deo-A is still the same, except it lost a lot of its wall breaking power with this set and chances are its going to switch out after it breaks something due to the abundance of priority.

If this set had Super Power my opinion would greatly change since IMO its mandatory on this guy due to the fact it breaks stuff in half... also you forget to mention that Scizor wall you with the lack of power now, and traps you with Pursuit or can flat out revenge with BP.

PsyBoost + Super power OHKOes all Forry not sure about scizor earlier though. Regardless of the case I'm not a QC member and have no right to judge it this harshly lol, NEEDS MORE ATTACK EVS! Throw enough to OHKO 252 HP Dialga with Low Kick, or else the dragon checks you to your doom! I feel Sub should get a mention due to the magical number of switches this guy causes and is a great safeguard from priority but I honestly can't remember if it was on the original so IGNORE ME IF YOU WANT TO <.<.

If you've used Psycho Boost and Superpower then you deal no damage now and have to switch out, but if you've used Psyshock and Low Kick then you are perfectly capable of staying in. How is that being conservative?
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I think they're saying the extra power is worth it since Deo-a is checked like 24/7 by scarfers and priority and is forced to switch anyway... Not sure how its conservative but I think I'm defining it incorrectly D:.
 
i agree with sharpteeth. deoxys-a is hardly a defensive pokemon, especially by uber standards, so its not like being conservative really gets you anything in the long run.
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Yeah, I think this explains my reaction to this set. The point of Deoxys-A is to come in, nuke the crap out of a few things and then die. It's not supposed be a sweeper. If you really hate Psycho Boost for its stat drops, just replace with another coverage move. The Life Orb set for 4th gen is in my view, a much better set if you want a sweeper.
 
Scizor (and Forretress) is hit for 100 base power by Low Kick actually, not that much worse than Superpower. Also even with 252 Attack EVs Deoxys-A does 92.1% - 108.4% to 252/0 Dialga, no guarantee of OHKO even with Stealth Rock, but it's quite possible the EV spread can be improved so yeah.

@shrang - have you never been affected by the stat drops as the opponent pivots around resistances, or assessed the situation late-game and wished you actually had a good attack to sweep with? Psycho Boost drops your SpA, Superpower drops your Atk, Extremespeed has base power 80, and whatever move you use last is going to have very imperfect coverage. Neither can you Psycho Boost one Pokemon and (say) Thunder the next; you've already ruined your SpA. Sure, having Psycho Boost is great at times, but I don't see how you don't find the stat drops unappealing other times.
 
shrang said:
Yeah, I think this explains my reaction to this set. The point of Deoxys-A is to come in, nuke the crap out of a few things and then die. It's not supposed be a sweeper. If you really hate Psycho Boost for its stat drops, just replace with another coverage move. The Life Orb set for 4th gen is in my view, a much better set if you want a sweeper.
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You are only "nuking the crap out" of something when using Psycho Boost. A resisted Ice Beam, Super Power or Extremespeed is actually taken very well. Pivoting around is something half decent players would do so often times that strat is not very effective.

In my opinion, that set only works against HO since they can't afford to switch much and usually don't have many bulky mons.
 
This set just looks like its trying to be a worse Mewtwo IMO. Mewtwo's Psystrike actually outdamages Deoxys-A's Psyshock (Deoxys-A needs Rash to do about even damage with Naive Mewtwo) and it gets the benefit of Fire Blast, Aura Sphere, and actual defenses so it can use Calm Mind to sweep and survive priority hits.

This is probably just OO material at best, really. Deoxys-A honestly needs the nuking power of Psycho Boost to set it apart from mewtwo.
 
Like everyone said this is OO material at best, dont belive I even bothered testing this shit.... So do we reject stuff like this (which is made into OO for an existing analysis) ? If so consider this a rejection.
 
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