Does a reliable counter to Rotom-A exist?

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georgelu61

The first counter mentioned in the analysis is Blissey

From personal experience, Blissey has no way to deal 1-1 with sub Rotom or rest talk varieties. While Blissey doesn't mind WoW or STABed thunderbolts, Blissey can't hit back very hard either. Scarftrick variants will cripple Blissey as well.

Tyranitar can't OHKO Rotom-A that invest heavily in Def EV's (standard EV spreads), and doesn't like WoW. Choice Specs TTar is listed as a counter, but to be honest, how effective is Specs TTar in general?

WoW doesn't cripple Mixpert completely, but spamming surfs at Rotom until it faints is definitely not my idea of a counter...

I suppose Heatran is okay, if Rotom-A doesn't carry HP Fighting, but it is hardly an ideal counter...

All other options listed are either UU or BL

Any advice would be welcome!
 
On scarfless versions Gengar does a pretty good job of shaking things up. Zapdos also does an alright job of keeping rotom at bay, although a specs rotom hurts a lot. Heatran as you mentions does a good job but he really dislikes paralysis. Other Rotom-A's make good counters because rotom will rarely throw Shadow Ball's around if it carries it at all.
 
Just like Salamence: You can't perfectly counter the Pokemon but there are a few "counters" for each set.

I guess that you just have to find out what set it has before going with countering it.

And Rotom-C can't be countered by Swampert; Rotom-W and Rotom-C can both do great damage to a weakened Tyranitar. So it also depends on the form.
 
I would venture to say that Salamence if far easier to counter from personal experience. Stealth Rock is a staple on almost every team, and takes away 25% on the switch already. If you factor in any other residual damage or LO recoil, a bullet punch from a scizor, a ES from Lucario, or a gyarados switch in with intimidate spells doom for Salamence.

My point is I can't think of a "counter" that can come in and threaten OHKO or 2HKO without leaving crippled by a status (Burn/Para) or worse, fainted. Outstalling Rotom-A can be difficult as well.

Three immunities + great defensive stats just makes it unfair...
 
georgelu61 said:
I would venture to say that Salamence if far easier to counter from personal experience. Stealth Rock is a staple on almost every team, and takes away 25% on the switch already. If you factor in any other residual damage or LO recoil, a bullet punch from a scizor, a ES from Lucario, or a gyarados switch in with intimidate spells doom for Salamence.

My point is I can't think of a "counter" that can come in and threaten OHKO or 2HKO without leaving crippled by a status (Burn/Para) or worse, fainted. Outstalling Rotom-A can be difficult as well.

Three immunities + great defensive stats just makes it unfair...
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We should make it Uber. Right? It's too unfair for OU.
 
Pokerade said:
We should make it Uber. Right? It's too unfair for OU.
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Uh, I don't think it works like that. I really don't think that rotom-a is that hard to counter. At the moment it checks a large amount of OU threats, for example scizor and gyarados, while acting as a reliable spin blocker for stall teams. And that's where it ends - it isn't drastically shaking up the metagame or anything.

I think there are a number of pokemon which can counter rotom-a. LO gengar OHKOs with shadow ball all the time without stealth rock, unless rotom-a invests in special defence. CB weavile will also work out pretty well, though they are pretty rare nowadays.

Rotom-a isn't an insurmountable threat. Mixmence and Mixape threaten 2HKOs and the latter doesn't even fear a burn. CM+refresh latias can set up on it pretty easily, even with shadow ball.
 
The way you are talking here is as if Rotom has several movesets at the same time. Of course you can't counter all sets of one single pokemon that's why many people have left the concept of counters a long time ago(although Scarftran does quite well in most cases)


With pokemon like Rotom, Salamence or Infernape who carry a wide variation of sets. One has to know first what kind of version it is and work from there. If you want to deal with that kind of pokemon there is only one way to do it properly. Always assume the worst case scenario that it is using the set you fear the most and face it accordingly.

Also in most cases the pokemon Rotom switches into already gives a lot of information about the set. If you are attempting a sweep with Gengar and Rotom switches in it's most likely to be a scarfed version. Sandstorm effects and SR also show if Rotom carries Leftovers or not which are really helpfull when dealing with it.

Of course it can always be that your opponent is bluffing but that's where the mindgame begins
 
Pokemon like Cursetar and Cursepert are pretty close to being 100% counters, but Rotom is always incredibly annoying to deal with, even if you carry a couple of Pokemon that can deal with it.
 
Mien. said:
The way you are talking here is as if Rotom has several movesets at the same time. Of course you can't counter all sets of one single pokemon that's why many people have left the concept of counters a long time ago(although Scarftran does quite well in most cases)
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Quoted for the truth.

Countering Rotom depends mostly on its moveset, I've found rest-sleep talk-curse-crunch Tyranitar a good check for it, being able to sponge all of its attacks and to absorb W-o-W with rest, but even TTar can be crippled by trick, if Rotom carries that move.
 
Tab said:
Pokemon like Cursetar and Cursepert are pretty close to being 100% counters.
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Agreeing here. CroTar is the most effective counter to not-Specs-Focus Blast-Gengar ghosts. I should know; I use them on almost every stall team I use. Oh, and:

+1 Adamant 252 Attack EV'd Tyranitar's Crunch (be it from one Dragon Dance or CB) while burned manages 55.26% - 65.79% against 252/120 Bold Rotom-A (the common WoW ResTalker set, which is probably the bulkiest set used today). Even with max Defence from Rotom-A's side, the same +1 Crunch still manages 50.00% - 59.21%, a sure 2HKO, as Sandstream negates Leftovers recovery.

You were saying?
 
Crotar is free set up for a number of steel pokes whether it's spikes from skarm/forry or SD's fromlucario or scizor or even agility empoleon. Seems more like a liablility especially when rotom-A is easy to revenge kill.
 
husk said:
Crotar is free set up for a number of steel pokes whether it's spikes from skarm/forry or SD's fromlucario or scizor or even agility empoleon. Seems more like a liablility especially when rotom-A is easy to revenge kill.
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As I said in my previous post, though, both the Dragon Dancer and the CB set can beat Rotom-A while burned. If you have Aromatherapy support, it's even better.
 
We could make this kind of thread for a lot of other Pokemon, really. How do you counter Gengar? How do you counter Palkia? etc. Use the Simple Answers, Simple Questions thread next time.

I think this thread has been answered enough
 
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