DP Dialga

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Aldaron

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Well I was told once before that this was merely an "other options" type set, but considering I have now see at least four different people use this set, I am going to have to present it once more.

Here's Dialga:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/dialga

[SET]
name: Supporter
move 1: Thunder Wave / Toxic
move 2: Stealth Rock
move 3: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 4: Flamethrower / Thunder / Roar
item: Leftovers / Lum Berry
nature: Modest
evs: 252 HP / 176 SpA / 80 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set's purpose is to take advantage of Dialga's auspicious defensive typing and useful support moves. Since Speed is stressed in the Uber metagame, and the only consistently seen Ground-type is Groudon, Thunder Wave will shut down the opponent's sweeper. However, Toxic can be used over Thunder Wave to help Dialga cripple the aforementioned Groudon or the "Great Wall" Lugia, both of which will often switch into Dialga.</p>

<p>Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse depends simply on whether Dialga is needed to continually hit the opponent, or if dealing massive damage is preferred. Note that Dragon Pulse will 3HKO most Kyogre, while Draco Meteor 2HKOs very rarely. The last slot depends coverage preferences. Flamethrower allows Dialga to hit Metagross, Forretress and the occasional Ninjask. Thunder hits all the Steels for hard damage anyway (besides Dialga), but also hits Lugia, Manaphy and Kyogre for Super Effective damage. Finally, Roar is an option simply for scouting various threats, such as Lugia (which will switch in expecting to counter the Bulk Up set) or Rayquaza (which will take 25% damage from Stealth Rock and be less of a threat in the late game without its surprise).</p>

<p>The defensive EVs ensure Non-Specs Kyogre's Water Spout will not 2HKO Dialga. This then allows Dialga to Thunder Wave, Stealth Rock and switch to the appropriate counter. While this set is an effective starter, it is more useful as a switch-in against common threats, such as Palkia, Giratina or the various Steels that are prevalent in the Uber metagame. </p>
 
Seems like a good set. However, Dragon Pulse can be used as an option over Draco Meteor if you feel you will be staying in longer (Pulse 3HKOs Kyogre, Meteor has an extremely small chance to 2HKO.

Earth Power as an option over Dragon Pulse gives it the same resisted by one type coverage, and allows it to hit the aforementioned Heatran who walls its other attacks and has STAB Fire Blast, potentially boosted by then sun. Earth Power will also hit other Dialga, as well as Tyranitar.

The last little thing i think you should add is that if you are planning on using this with a rain team, Thunder can be used over Flamethrower, as Flamethrower's power will be decreased in the rain, whereas Thunder is given 100% accuracy. I hope this helped
 
I think Thunder or Earth Power should actually be the primary option here instead of Flamethrower. Thunder still hits all of the Steels Flamethower would hit reasonably hard while still allowing you to hit Kyogre Lugia and Manaphy for super effective damage.

Earth Power will let you still also hit most Steels for super effective damage while not having to worry about the weather condition, most notably other Diagla without having to resort to using up Draco Meteor.
 
Dialga's auspicious typing
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Auspicious is an awkward word choice. I think just "great" would do fine.

After Thunder Waving, either laying down Stealth Rock or laying waste to the opponent's Pokemon with powerful Dragon / Fire attacks are possible options.
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This sentence is awkwardly arranged; I'd rearrange it to: "After Thunder Waving, Dialga can either lay down Stealth Rock or lay waste to the opponent's Pokemon with its powerful attacks." Now that I think about it, though, this sentence seems unnecessary, since it's pretty much just saying what Dialga's other 3 moves are.
 
bumping since for some reason Junior didn't!

been using this set and I must say it's quite amazing. like i mentioned in junior's topic, lum berry should be an option in the item slot. darkrai is the most common lead and nothing is nicer than being able to take a dark void and proceeding to ohko with draco meteor.

i've been using toxic over t-wave and i think it maybe should be listed as an option. the only time i've really needed it is for crippling a lugia or if i'm feeling ballsy and decide to stay in on a groudon after a sp. atk drop (but in those circumstances it really helped out a lot!).
 
I'm really surprised that this set was dismissed so easily the first time, especially when you consider how popular the Taunt+SR suicide leads are getting for some insane reason.

I like this set a lot and I am seconding Jabba's notion for Lum Berry as an item option. If you're using it as a lead I would recommend it as the primary item option so you can counter all of the Darkrai leads effectively. TWave it first turn and take the dark void, then draco meteor/stealth rock. Even if it has focus sash, your opponent will be left with a paralyzed Darkrai with either 1 HP or SR up...also known as "dead weight".
 
Just some minor nitpicks that bug me.
Aldaron said:
[SET]
name: Supporter
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Stealth Rock
move 3: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 4: Flamethrower / Thunder / Earth Power
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
evs: 252 HP / 176 SpA / 80 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set's purpose is to take advantage of Dialga's auspicious defensive typing and useful support moves. Since Speed is stressed in the Uber metagame, and the only consistently seen Ground-type is Groudon, Thunder Wave will shut down the opponent's sweeper much of the time. </p>

<p>The choice of Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse depends simply on whether Dialga is needed to continually hit the opponent, or if dealing massive damage is preferred. Note that Dragon Pulse will 3HKO most Kyogre, while Draco Meteor 2HKOs very rarely. The last slot depends on coverage preferences. Flamethrower allows Dialga to hit Metagross, Forretress and the occasional Ninjask. Thunder hits all the Steels for hard damage anyway (besides Dialga), but also hits Lugia, Manaphy and Kyogre for Super Effective damage. Earth Power lets Dialga hit most Steel Pokemon and Tyranitar / other Dialga for Super Effective damage, without having to worry about the weather.</p>

<p>The defensive EVs ensure that Non-Specs Kyogre's Water Spout will not 2HKO Dialga. This then allows Dialga to Thunder Wave, Stealth Rock and switch to the appropriate counter. While this set is an effective starter, it is more useful as a switch in against common threats, such as Palkia, Giratina or the various Steels that are prevalent in the Uber metagame. </p>
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Gramatik macht frei.
 
The last slot depends coverage preferences.
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should be "depends on your coverage preferences"

Flamethrower allows Dialga to hit Metagross, Forretress and the occasional Ninjask.
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Is it really worth mentioning Ninjask here? After all, Dragon Pulse/Meteor are destroying it already (and so does Thunder).

Thunder hits all the Steels for hard damage anyway
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hard is a really strange choice of word to describe damage, I'd go with "heavy" or something like that.
 
I suggest Roar as Dialga is bulky enough to take an attack and phaze something that may be looking at setting up on you (i.e. Kyogre).

I don't think Earthpower is necessary as it simply isn't very useful in Ubers. Sure it can hit Steel-type Pokemon, but then again, a lot of Pokemon carries Levitate or Flying traits in the Uber metagame. At best, it is other Options IMO.

I think adding Toxic onto the moveset was a wise move!!! =]
 
I am bumping this up because I have seen it used so effectively over the last few days. I even found myself using it because of how powerful it was.

Sorry if I'm not supposed to bump old peer edits but this really is a set that deserves to be in the analysis.
 
Aldaron probably has SCMS access, so it's just a matter of him submitting this.
 
This post is for Aldaron's and jrrrrrr's purposes ...

Keep this. I'm pretty sure this a case of de ja vu, but hey it never hurts to compare analysis write ups I guess.
 
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