DP Machamp .

Aldaron

Aldaron

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We really need an in depth analysis on the art of the "lead" Pokemon.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/machamp

[SET]
name: Lead Machamp
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Dynamicpunch
move 3: Stone Edge / ThunderPunch
move 4: Payback / Ice Punch
item: Lum Berry
ability: No Guard
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
ivs: 19 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set utilizes Machamp's high Attack and large movepool to be an effective lead Pokemon. The strategy revolves around the opponent's lead Pokemon. If the opposing Pokemon is a status inducer, Machamp will Substitute first, and then hit the Pokemon with the proper attack once safely behind the Substitute. If the opposing Pokemon is something like Gyarados or Salamence, Machamp will attack right away with the proper Super Effective attack.</p>

<p>Stone Edge and Payback generally go hand in hand, as do ThunderPunch and Ice Punch. Payback allows Machamp to OHKO Gengar and Azelf, while Stone Edge then covers Gyarados and Salamence. ThunderPunch and Ice Punch allow Machamp to OHKO Roserade and 2HKO bulkier versions of Gyarados and Salamence. Ice Punch also allows Machamp to hit Gliscor as well as the omnipresent Garchomp. However, without Payback, the guaranteed OHKO on Gengar and Azelf is lost.</p>

<p>The EVs allow Machamp to never be OHKOed by an unboosted Modest Azelf's Psychic. The Attack EVs ensure a 2HKO on offensive Gyarados with Stone Edge and a OHKO on offensive Azelf with Payback. 19 Speed IVs are chosen because Bronzong's Gyro Ball now has at most 47 BP, meaning even a max Attack Adamant Bronzong will never be able to break Machamp's Substitutes.</p>
 
Right, all fixed :D the speed ivs part was my bad ^^
Shouldn't Fireblast be listed as an option for hit harder stuffs like skarmory/bronzong? (or steels in generals?)
 
whoopsie that's a problem! 19 speed ivs I explain at the end, to ensure that Bronzong will never break your subs
 
Aldaron said:
We really need an in depth analysis on the art of the "lead" Pokemon.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/machamp

[SET]
name: Lead Machamp
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Dynamicpunch
move 3: Stone Edge / ThunderPunch
move 4: Payback / Ice Punch
item: Lum Berry
ability: No Guard
evs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
ivs: 19 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set utilizes Machamp's high Attack and large movepool to be an effective lead Pokemon. The strategy revolves around the opponent's lead Pokemon. If the the opposing Pokemon is a status inducer, Machamp will Substitute first, and then hit the Pokemon with the proper attack once safely behind the Substitute. If the opposing Pokemon is something like Gyarados or Salamence, Machamp will attack right away with the proper Super Effective attack.</p>

<p>Stone Edge and Payback generally go hand in hand, as do ThunderPunch and Ice Punch. Payback allows Machamp to OHKO Gengar and Azelf, while Stone Edge then covers Gyarados and Salamence. ThunderPunch and Ice Punch allow Machamp to OHKO Roserade and [more easily is not needed here] 2HKO bulkier versions of Gyarados and Salamence. Ice Punch also allows Machamp to hit Gliscor as well as the omnipresent Garchomp [relocated this]. However, without Payback, the guaranteed OHKO on Gengar and Azelf is lost. </p>

<p>The EVs allow Machamp to never be OHKOed by an unboosted Modest Azelf's Psychic. The Attack EVs ensure a 2HKO on offensive Gyarados with Stone Edge, and the OHKO on offensive Azelf with Payback. A Speed IV of 19 is chosen because Bronzong's Gyro Ball now has at most 47 BP, meaning even a max Attack Adamant Bronzong will never be able to break Machamp's Substitutes.</p>
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Everything else is fine. Love this set.
 
Aldaron said:
[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set's purpose is to use Machamp's high Attack and large array of moves to be an effective lead Pokemon. The strategy revolves around what Pokemon the opponent sends to lead. If the the opposing Pokemon is a status inducer, Machamp will Substitute first, and hit the Pokemon with the proper attack once safely behind a Substitute. If the opposing Pokemon is something like Gyarados or Salamence, Machamp will attack right away with the proper Super Effective attack.</p>

<p>Stone Edge and Payback generally go hand in hand, as do ThunderPunch and Ice Punch. Payback allows Machamp to OHKO Gengar and Azelf, while Stone Edge then covers Gyarados and Salamence. ThunderPunch and Ice Punch allows Machamp to OHKO Roserade and more easily 2HKO bulkier versions of Gyarados and Salamence, though the guaranteed OHKO on Gengar and Azelf is lost. Ice Punch also allows Machamp to hit Gliscor as well as the omnipresent Garchomp.</p>

<p>The EVs allow Machamp to never be OHKOed by an unboosted Modest Azelf's Psychic. The Attack EVs ensure a 2HKO on offensive Gyarados with Stone Edge, and an OHKO on offensive Azelf with Payback. 19 Speed IVs are chosen because Bronzong's Gyro Ball now has at most 47 BP, meaning even a max Attack Adamant Bronzong will never be able to break Machamp's Substitutes.</p>
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Nitpicking.
 
Wouldn't a leading Gengar be an issue? You can't outspeed it to get up your Substitute, while it Hypnosis's you with perfect accuracy, thanks to No Guard. Obviously, noting the OHKO on Gengar is important, but it should also be noted that it has problems with faster status inducing leads.
 
It has a Lum Berry for that reason.

I fought a couple of these on Shoddy, and it's a beast. Good job again, Aldaron.
 
LoZDestroyer said:
Wouldn't a leading Gengar be an issue? You can't outspeed it to get up your Substitute, while it Hypnosis's you with perfect accuracy, thanks to No Guard. Obviously, noting the OHKO on Gengar is important, but it should also be noted that it has problems with faster status inducing leads.
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as they status you, you sub and since its so bulky, its taking hits quiet well.

set looks good. will try it out soon
 
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