Dragon Festival Kingdra

XxbraedonxX

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QC Approvals: 0/3
QC Rejections: 1/3 (Megan Fox)

name: Dragon Festival Kingdra
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Draco Meteor
item: Hapan Berry
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 72 Def / 32 SpD / 76 Spe

Because any time there is two or more dances at once is a festival :)

Why This Set Should Be On The Site:
This set is the ultimate for a Dragon dance setup, as it takes advantage of the fact that with a Haban Berry, Kingdra has no weaknesses
The 2 most common Revenge killers/offensive counters to Kingdra become mere setup fodder with this set. As long as pokemon that can wall any given Kindgra are taken care of, This Kindgra can eliminate typical revenge killers/ offensive threat as a byproduct of setting up.
76 Speed EVs with a + nature creates 247 Speed. 247 after 2 DDs sets it speed at 494, allowing it to outspeed the famous Scarfgon. Even with a Jolly Nature, Kingdra OHKOs it with Draco Meteor.

How To Operate:
1. Eliminate the foes Walls that are effective VS Kindgra
2. Switch Kingdra into a weaker or resisted attack (preferably) in a situation where he scares away the opponent
3. Dragon Dance on the switch
4. Dragon Dance as the enemy Scarfgon/Scarftran uses Outrage/Dragon Pulse
5. OHKO them with Draco Meteor/Waterfall, respectively
6. You are setup with your greatest Offensive counter/ revenge killer gone, do as you wish

Alternatively, if Kingdra recieved Wish support on the switch (or recieved 0.7% damage or less), it has a 100% chance of surviving 2 Dragon Pulses, Allowing for 3 Dragon Dances.

Useful Teammates
-Well, anyone who can take care of Kindgra's walls, such as Skarm, Suicune, and Swampert are essential
-If attempting the 3 Dragon Dance Full-out Festival, Wish support is necessary, and the best user in this category for Kingdra is Jirachi, who seems to attract fire-attacke for some strange reason. Kingdra has a 4x resist to this. Alternatively, Leafeon can pass a wish and a fire attack, but also avoids the pesky EQs. instead, it attracts Ice Beams.

Counters:
-Any Bulky water provides a slight problem, but Kindgra may get out alive and with an extra Dragon Dance of played correctly.
-Phazers are Kindgra's worst nightmare, and must be dealt with before it is brought in.

Calculations:
Scarfgon Outrage vs Set: 44.9% - 52.8%
-> Draco Meteor vs Scarfgon: 103.7% - 122.3%
Scarftran Dragon Pulse vs Set: 28% - 33.1%
-> +2 Waterfall vs Scarftran: 105.9% - 125.1%
Scarftran 2nd D Pulse vs Set: 55.9% - 66.1% (total: 83.9%-99.2%)
-> +3 Waterfall vs Scarftran: 131.9% - 156%

Ciao and have fun :)
 
This is just Mixed Dragon Dance but inferior not to mention the wrong format and sounding extremely immature throughout.
 
alex 67 said:
This is just Mixed Dragon Dance but inferior not to mention the wrong format and sounding extremely immature throughout.
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Not at all. By inferior you mean almost guaranteed 2-3 DDs rather than 1, hopefully 2? Because that is the point of the set. To have 2 DDs while remaining at 47.2% min afterwards, AND eliminating its greatest offensive counter/revenge killer in the process?

It is not inferior, but rather, plays a different role. Thats like saying Yache Berry Comp was inferior to predecessive sets due to him enjoying setting up on his counters, too.

Though sorry about the "immaturity" I talk like a typical 17 year old. it will be edited
 
It is inferior because of several reasons: on the mixed DD set on site if you run 232 speed plus a naive nature you will outspeed scarf Heatran anyway assuming you DD on the switch of course. As for Flygon they are pretty much have to use Outrage or Dragon Claw or risk letting Kingdra sweep the rest of their team. Therefore you get to send in pretty much any Steel in and set up. Pokemon like SD Scizor, CM Jirachi, AgilityGross are prime examples and can often end up sweeping the opponents team anyways. Oh and I'm pretty sure Kingdra still gets 2HKOed anyways by Flygons Outrage even with the Berry making this set outclassed by the one on site in pretty much every way.
 
alex 67 said:
It is inferior because of several reasons: on the mixed DD set on site if you run 232 speed plus a naive nature you will outspeed scarf Heatran anyway assuming you DD on the switch of course. As for Flygon they are pretty much have to use Outrage or Dragon Claw or risk letting Kingdra sweep the rest of their team. Therefore you get to send in pretty much any Steel in and set up. Pokemon like SD Scizor, CM Jirachi, AgilityGross are prime examples and can often end up sweeping the opponents team anyways. Oh and I'm pretty sure Kingdra still gets 2HKOed anyways by Flygons Outrage even with the Berry making this set outclassed by the one on site in pretty much every way.
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and no, it isn't guaranteed 2-3 DDs.
 
This set is outclassed by the Mix DD set, as alex 67 has said. Haban Berry does NOT guarantee 2-3 Dragon Dances. Just because your only weakness is Dragon does not mean your opponents will hit you with a Dragon attack.
 
alex 67 said:
It is inferior because of several reasons: on the mixed DD set on site if you run 232 speed plus a naive nature you will outspeed scarf Heatran anyway assuming you DD on the switch of course. As for Flygon they are pretty much have to use Outrage or Dragon Claw or risk letting Kingdra sweep the rest of their team. Therefore you get to send in pretty much any Steel in and set up. Pokemon like SD Scizor, CM Jirachi, AgilityGross are prime examples and can often end up sweeping the opponents team anyways. Oh and I'm pretty sure Kingdra still gets 2HKOed anyways by Flygons Outrage even with the Berry making this set outclassed by the one on site in pretty much every way.
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... You are totally missing the entire point of this set. It is not to switch out to the first sight of Flygon so that someone else can sweep, it is for Kindgra to sweep. AND to eliminate the revenge killer

And yes, he does. But why on earth would you send him in when there is already a scarfgon out? (unless it is locked into Fire Blast). In an instant where Flygon switches into Kinhdra, Kingdra wins 100% of the time.

As to what you are saying, you may as well say DD Kingdra is inferior to RD Kindra because it doubles the speed rather than adds an extra half and still gets 1.5x damage on waterfall. And then not mention the fact that Rain Dance may be a downside for the rest of you team
 
Okay, this Kingdra can beat Flygon if it switches in as it DDs. Not under ANY other circumstances. If Kingdra switches into Flygon's Outrage, you take about 50%, then you get killed. If you switch in as one of your Pokes died, then you still lose, because it outspeeds even if you have one DD. This just counters your argument of
In an instant where Kingdra switches into Flygon, it wins 100% of the time.
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He can also hit you with Earthquake instead of Outrage.
 
NightShadow said:
Okay, this Kingdra can beat Flygon if it switches in as it DDs. Not under ANY other circumstances. If Kingdra switches into Flygon's Outrage, you take about 50%, then you get killed. If you switch in as one of your Pokes died, then you still lose, because it outspeeds even if you have one DD. This just counters your argument of He can also hit you with Earthquake instead of Outrage.
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Sorry, I meant Flygon into Kingdra.
And why would it ever do that. However, if it does, it will do even LESS damage than an outrage, seeing as both are neutral due to Haban, and EQ has 20 less BP. to be exact, it does 37.4% - 44.2%
 
XxbraedonxX said:
It is not inferior, but rather, plays a different role. Thats like saying Yache Berry Comp was inferior to predecessive sets due to him enjoying setting up on his counters, too.
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But it's not setting up on his counters, he's SDing as the opponent switches out the wall that can't check Garchomp and the Yache Berry is insurance vs Mamoswine or Weavile to make sure that he doesn't get OHKOed. He's not setting up against those two Pokemon, it's insurance.
XxbraedonxX said:
... You are totally missing the entire point of this set. It is not to switch out to the first sight of Flygon so that someone else can sweep, it is for Kindgra to sweep. AND to eliminate the revenge killer
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How do you expect Kingdra to sweep when it's at 80% of the attacking power of the DD Mixed attacker on site when you're at +2 and it's at +1? That leaves it so that many more Pokemon can wall Kingdra because you're weaker and all that you have is extra Speed which made you take down... Flygon.
XxbraedonxX said:
As to what you are saying, you may as well say DD Kingdra is inferior to RD Kindra because it doubles the speed rather than adds an extra half and still gets 1.5x damage on waterfall. And then not mention the fact that Rain Dance may be a downside for the rest of you team
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Completely false, you ignored Outrage, which is a great reason why you would use DD Kingdra.

Anyway, your scenario is flawed. Scarftran would know that it can't KO a Kingdra unless it's already been weakened, so instead it would use Explosion and KO your Kingdra. That's not even saying that Heatran would come in the first place, as you might scout it with a Waterfall instead and KO it, meaning that Haban Berry would make no difference in that senario. And due to your lack of Spe EVs, you can't outspeed even Modest Scarftran (which isn't used) unless you get 2 boosts.

So basically, all that you've accomplished is either ending up at +2 with 80% of the attacking power of the regular mixed set with a dead opposing Flygon or a dead Heatran and Kingdra due to both of them dying because of Explosion.

And if you really wanted 3 DDs you would use the Chesto Rest set because it's better than this set and more reliable.
 
Kingdra isn't sweeping anyone with such few attack EVs and a neutral nature. I just don't see why I would use this when I can beat Flygon with the Rain Dance and Specs sets.

I mean, even ScarfTar survives a +1 Waterfall after SR, which is absolutely pathetic.
 
As I said earlier and I'll say it again this is inferior to what's on site. For starting off the Evs are weird. You should generally run max Speed and max Attack and a few SpA evs. Second of all what is the point of Draco Meteor? The one on site is better with moveslot choice as well, as Hydro Pump is to give physical tanks like Skarmory problems and Ice Beam deals with shit like Flygon on the switch! You don't need +6 to sweep with Kingdra. You can just Ko Flygon on the switch and now with there primary/only check for this eliminated you should be able to set up a DD anyway as they probably can't OHKO you anymore with their next switch-in and sweep with +1 on Att and Spe and a Life Orb. Now this strategy works unlike trying to set up on a Heatran who you should outspeed anyway who can just Explode on you and Flygon who can just 2HKO you anyway and even if you kill it I'm sure something like Twave Jirachi will come in completely cripple you. I thought about this after when the hell will Scarf Heatran switch in on you!? Due to the fact that some Kingdra run Naive Heatran will almost never switch with the possible exception of a last resort making that point that you can set up on Dragon Pulse irrelevant.
 
As everyone else said, It's pretty much DD mix. I thougt it was the second I looked at it :|
Although from my experience in ubers, Haban is a useful berry. It might be worth mentioning in the D-Dance paragraphs for Kingdra.
Ps: it's Haban not Hapan :p
 
I think it's fairly obvious to most people here that this set is gimmicky and rather ineffective. The use of Haban Berry creates a set that is far more situational than other viable Kingdra sets such as SubDD or Chesto Rest. In addition, this set is very susceptible to status ailments, which can easily hinder its attempts at a successful sweep.
 
This set is questionable at best. Draco Meteor is pathetic off of 0 investment, especially with a negative nature, and Waterfall and Outrage aren't doing much better with a neutral nature and very few EVs. If you really really want to get multiple dances, Chesto Rest is an actually effective set that performs the same purpose, but isn't gimmicky.

QC REJECTED 2/3
 
Yeah, everyone summed up my thought. Tbh, I think this is just a random set thrown together. Also, if your not going to use Life Orb to lower your health, you can just put defensive EVs into attack to survive with lets say 20% (so priority usually won't kill u) and be able to kill things.

This thing has horrible damage input, just putting that out there.
 
Again the same as above it is inferior. Not to mention WHY would you name it dragon festival kingdra? I mean Haban D-dance actually describes the set.
 
Umm... I doubt Draco Meteor will be hitting very hard with a JOLLY nature, and using a defensive lowering nature is probably not a good idea with a set that is supposed to be bulky. Sorry, but I'd rather just use the mixed DD set.
 
I think people are looking at this wrong.People just looked at the moves and auto posted inferior mix kingdra.This is a good set but the problem is the evs look off. With some logical fixing this can be a solid set.But in the end haban berry is probably ac material.
 
I think people are too obsessed with the words "It's Super Effective!" and not obsessed enough with damage output. How many Kingdra are countered by Dragons anyway? Scarf Flygon is a common answer and I guess this one can stop one revenge kill and bait a Flygon, but that's not how this set is presented at all and there are more effective ways of accomplishing a Flygon kill, if he's that important to you.

Every other Kingdra response is just as valid for this set, if not more due to the low damage output.
 
SDS is right. The set is gimmicky.
The EVs look pretty random, and the nature hinders Draco Meteor.
Did you even do any research on this at all? I still think Haban could be useful but maybe on a different set.
 
XxbraedonxX, I kind of see where your coming from but think about it like this. You Dragon dance and Outrage(x), Waterfall (Y) and D.Meteor(z). What x and y cannot hit for solid damage should be complimented by z. In this case what Pokemon can take your hits nicely even after a DD? What I'm saying is that D.meteor doesn't suit this set or benefit it and also by having a -ve nature you remove the glimpse of good it did you.
 
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