Gen 1 Dragonite (QC: 0/2)

[Rei]

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6/29/21 I am going to implement what I agree with both AM checks and check grammar over by Wednesday.

[OVERVIEW]

Dragonite is a unique Wrap user in the tier, as it is the only one that has Agility to make it a great mid- to late-game cleaner. Dragonite is often used to wear down Pokemon with Wrap until it can fire off a Hyper Beam or Blizzard to finish them off. It also has access to Thunder Wave and Agility that furthers help itself with using Wrap to take care of the opposing team and find many ways to use them due to how it forces switches from Rhydon and Exeggutor. It does lack good STAB moves, but thanks to its great Attack stat, it can fire off powerful Hyper Beam. While it does have good stats, it does however, fall short of outpacing Pokemon like Tauros, Zapdos, and Jynx has to rely on paralysis from its teammates or its own Thunder Wave or Agility to outpace most Pokemon. Dragonite also has a glaring weakness to Ice-type attacks, which Pokemon like Jynx, Starmie, Chansey, and Tauros commonly run, meaning a Wrap miss can often mean its demise.

[SET]
name: Wrap
move 1: Wrap
move 2: Hyper Beam
move 3: Blizzard
move 4: Thunder Wave / Agility

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
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Dragonite aims to whittle down teams mid-game once fast Pokemon are taken care of or paralyzed with Thunder Wave. It should use Blizzard against a weakened Rhydon, Exeggutor, or Zapdos. However, Dragonite should be careful about using Blizzard against a healthy Rhydon, as Dragonite risks getting paralyzed by Body Slam, while a healthy Zapdos or Exeggutor is only 3HKOed with Blizzard, and Zapdos outpaces and cripples Dragonite with Thunder Wave. Hyper Beam can be used to finish off weakened Pokemon, but it has to be careful if there is still a healthy Pokemon that can tank a Hyper Beam like Tauros, Rhydon, or Snorlax, as it will have to recharge and can get heavily dented or KOed. Hyper Beam cank take care of Alakazam at 60% HP, Chansey and Starmie at half HP, and Tauros, Zapdos, and Snorlax at 32% HP. Dragonite should use Thunder Wave or Agility against Pokemon it can force out such as a Rhydon, weakened Zapdos, and Victreebel, or in the case of Agility, on a Pokemon that is put to sleep. Thunder Wave is also useful early-game to spread status, due to Dragonite forcing switches from Exeggutor and Rhydon, and make it easier for Dragonite to sweep later in the game. If Dragonite does get paralyzed, it can use Agility to get rid of the Speed drop and make move faster than the opposing Pokemon, and does not cripple the ability to wear down Pokemon with Wrap. Dragonite needs to avoid being paralyzed by Alakazam, Chansey and Zapdos, as this cripples Dragonite's ability to use Wrap to slowly wear down the opposing team. Dragonite's teammates should also scout Chansey, Snorlax and Starmie's moveset before switching in, as an Ice Beam from the former and Blizzard from the latter can 2HKO Dragonite due to its major weakness to Ice-type attacks. Dragonite needs partners like Jolteon and Zapdos that can help slow down the opposing team with Thunder Wave, while also threatening Starmie, Cloyster, and Articuno. Pokemon like Chansey, Alakazam, and Starmie that can switch into Ice Beam and Blizzard from Articuno, Jynx, Starmie and Chansey are needed to avoid Dragonite from being OHKOed. These also can help spread status to make it easier for Dragonite to clean up teams later in the game. Victreebel is another good teammate due to it being able to help spread status and can help take care of Rhydon and a paralyzed Cloyster and Starmie. It also poses a good core due to using Wrap to help wear down Pokemon. Cloyster is is also good for being freeze, can switch into Ice-type attacks from Articuno, has Clamp to help wear down Pokemon for Dragonite, and has very good syenergy that goes well with Dragonite. Chansey can use Reflect + Thunder Wave to help spread status to Tauros and Snorlax which helps Dragonite takes care of them later in the game.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Surf can be used over Blizzard to OHKO Rhydon and the rare Golem; however, this makes Dragonite much worse against Zapdos and Exeggutor. Thunderbolt can be used over Blizzard to make Dragonite able to 2HKO Cloyster and able to combat Starmie, Slowbro and Lapras better without the risk of locking into Hyper Beam or missing with Wrap. Body Slam can be used over Hyper Beam to allow Dragonite to try to get a paralysis chance while also doing damage and scouting the opposing team. However, Hyper Beam is more useful as it is a powerful nuke that allows Dragonite to take care of Chansey,a paralyzed Alakazam and a very weakened Zapdos. Fire Blast is another option over Blizzard to burn Gengar to make expolsion to poor damage has a chance to burn other physical attackers like Persian, Rhydon and Snorlax that will cripple these for the rest of the game. However, Blizzard is more useful due to it take care of Rhydon better and can take care of a weakened Zapdos.

Checks and Counters
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**Status**: If not running Agility, Dragonite can no longer use Wrap as effectively due to most Pokemon being able to outpace like Lapras and cloyster and threaten it after Wrap ends, misses, or gets paralyzed. Being paralysis also makes it harder to deal with Chansey, as a paralyzed turn allows Chansey to restore its HP, or use Ice Beam to 2HKO Dragonite. Dragonite also hates being burn by Moltres, as this cripples Dragonite's ability to wear down Pokemon with Wrap, and make it unable to stay around as freely. If Dragonite gets poisoned from Toxic, it will be set on a timer for the rest of the game, and easily summb to poison while wearing down Pokemon with Wrap.

**Gengar**: Gengar can stop Dragonite's Wrap attack cold in its tracks, due to it being immune from taking Wrap damage, which alllows it to PP Stall Wrap. It also is not threaten by Dragonite's Special and can threaten it out with Hypnosis.

**Ice-type attacks**: Articuno and Jynx can outpace and OHKO Dragonite lacking Agility with Blizzard. Once Dragonite is paralyzed, misses Wrap, or lacking Agility, Cloyster and Lapras can OHKO Dragonite with Blizzard. Dragonite can however, use Wrap verus Cloytster and Lapras in order for it to pivot out and bring in the Pokemon that can threaten these ot safetly. Other Pokemon that run Ice-type coverage like Chansey, Starmie, Tauros, and Snorlax can 2HKO Dragonite.

**PP Stall Counterplay**: Pokemon like Gengar, Chansey, and Rhydon can PP stall Wrap with either to being immune, or thanks to their great HP stat. The opponent can also switch between Pokemon to waste Wrap's PP and therefore making it easy for a Pokemon like Tauros or Cloyster to finish it off.

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[Amaranth]

Agility is droppable, the only Dnite team I've seen with consistent success at a high level recently runs Wrap/HB/Blizzard/TWave. You can probably just slash twave on that fourth slot and carry on with your life. Agility-less Dnite is really good at forcing paralysis on fast things, if you drop Blizz they can just Rhydon and if you drop TW then obviously you're not paralyzing anything.

 

[Amaranth]

Been a couple months now with no progress. Do you still want to write this?

 

[Rei]

Been a couple months now with no progress. Do you still want to write this?

Yes, I'm sorry there was a bit of an issue with having net for my laptop and irl got a bit messy. I have this out of wip by next Sunday.

Edit: It be out of wip trrw, dealing with personal issues, cant focus and feel like the writing so far is subpar.

 

[Plague von Karma]

Gonna toss some ideas to get stuff rolling. There is definitely stuff I've missed (maybe stuff I'm wrong on too) but there's just a lot of work that's needed here. This is an amcheck so it's not official and you don't have to implement anything yada yada yada

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[OVERVIEW]

Dragonite is a unique Wrap user in the tier, as it is the only Wrap user one that has Agility and is to make it a great mid- to late-game cleaner. Dragonite is often used to wear down Pokemon with Wrap, (RC) and until it can fire off a Hyper Beam or Blizzard to finish them off take care of the opposing Pokemon. It also has access to Thunder Wave and Agility that furthers help itself with using Wrap to take care of the opposing team and find many ways to use them due to how it forces switches from Rhydon and Exeggutor. While it does have good stats, it does however, has a bad Speed stat, leaving it to be outpace by Zapdos and Jynx and has to rely on paralysis from its teammates or its own Thunder Wave or Agility to outpace most Pokemon. (I strongly disagree with this notion, Dragonite outruns a lot of the OU staples. Even in cases where it is outsped, being able to boost Speed with Agility or spread paralysis largely mitigates the issue. It's very fast relative to the OU metagame, much like Victreebel. What you mean to say is that there are situations where it does fall short and that negative matchups exist.) Furthermore, Dragonite lacks good STAB moves, which makes it rely on Wrap to wear Pokemon down to Hyper Beam and Blizzard range. (Not necessarily. Its Hyper Beam is pretty damn nuclear, its physical attacks hit like a ~90 Attack mon with STAB.) Dragonite also has a major weakness to Ice-types such as Articuno and Jynx Ice-type attacks which Pokemon like Starmie, Chansey, Tauros, and Snorlax can run, and has to be careful around them. Dragonite also has a glaring weakness to Ice-type attacks, which Pokemon like Jynx, Starmie, Chansey, and Tauros commonly run, meaning a Wrap miss can often mean its demise. (Better wording and more specific)

[SET]
name: Wrap
move 1: Wrap
move 2: Hyper Beam
move 3: Blizzard
move 4: Thunder Wave / Agility

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
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Dragonite aims to whittle down teams mid-game once fast Pokemon are taken care of or paralyzed with Wrap Thunder Wave (Dragonite likes to lure in faster Pokemon to paralyze them. Remember that Wrap + Thunder Wave is a bit of a catch-22: you want a faster mon in to not be locked down, but you also don't want it to be paralyzed lest this fatass starts poking you again). It should use Blizzard against a weakened Rhydon, Exeggutor, or and Zapdos. However, Dragonite should be careful about using Blizzard against a healthy Rhydon, as Dragonite risks getting paralyzed from by Body Slam, while a healthy Zapdos and or (either do this or change that "is" to "are", these are incompatible words) Exeggutor is only 3HKOed with Blizzard, and Zapdos outpaces and cripples Dragonite with Thunder Wave or Dragonite misses Wrap against Exeggutor and put to sleep by Sleep Powder (I don't think this is a flaw in Dragonite itself, and I think any amount of game sense would say to sack a mon to sleep rather than put Dragonite at risk like this? Besides, it's making this sentence into a run-on one.). Hyper Beam can be used to finish off weakened Pokemon, but it has to be careful if there is still a healthy Pokemon that can tank a Hyper Beam like Rhydon, Tauros, or and Snorlax, or a Rhydon still around, as it will have to recharge and can get heavily dented or KOed. (Maybe note a couple of HB ranges to visualize its strength?) Dragonite should use Thunder Wave or Agility against Pokemon it can force out such as a Rhydon, weakened Zapdos, and Victreebel, or in the case of Agility, on a Pokemon that is put to sleep (Refer to my comment on the catch-22). Thunder Wave is also useful early-game to spread status, due to Dragonite forcing switches from Exeggutor and Rhydon, and make it easier for Dragonite to sweep later in the game. If Dragonite does get paralyzed, it can use Agility to be able to move faster than the opposing Pokemon, and does not cripple the ability to wear down Pokemon with Wrap (I get what you're trying to say but the wording here is just not very good and could use with improvement). Dragonite needs to avoid being paralyzed from by (wrong preposition) Alakazam, Chansey and Zapdos, as this cripples Dragonite's ability to use Wrap to slowly wear down the opposing team. It should also be careful to switch into Body Slam from Snorlax and Rhydon, as this can lead to it being paralyzed. (Does it even want to do this in that case? Isn't it easier just to chuck Lax at them if you anticipate a slam?) Dragonite should also scout Chansey, Snorlax and Starmie's moveset before switching in (This kinda implies you're using Dragonite to scout them, therefore putting it in harm's way. Be more specific, like "Dragonite's teammates".), as an Ice Beam from the former and Blizzard from the latter can 2HKO Dragonite due to its major weakness from to Ice-type attacks. Dragonite needs partners like Jolteon and Zapdos that can help slow down the opposing team with Thunder Wave, while also threatening Starmie, Cloyster, and Articuno. Good Ice Beam and Blizzard switchins like Chansey, Alakazam, and Starmie are needed to avoid Dragonite from being OHKOed and can help spread status to make it easier for Dragonite to clean up teams later in the game. (Thought about this a bit and talked with Amaranth, this should probably be cut. You should be switching into the Pokemon whose one of four moves is Ice Beam, not the move itself. You need to be more specific with the Pokemon that use the moves, and get a select few mons to actually switch into them consistently, which are the ones you note. You're almost there, just slightly off the mark.)

(Consider going over potential teammates, such as Victreebel and Cloyster. VicNite is a pretty good core in the current metagame to my knowledge, while Cloyster is freeze-immune while having a partial trapping move for synergy and additional control. You could maybe go over specific sets for Chansey/Snorlax too? There's just a lot you can do here.)

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Surf can be used over Blizzard or Thunder Wave to be able to OHKO Rhydon and the rare Golem, however, this is not worthwhile as it loses the ability to take care of a weakened Zapdos and Exeggutor with Blizzard or slow down common switchins into Dragonite like Starmie. Surf can be used over Blizzard to OHKO Rhydon and the rare Golem; however, this makes Dragonite much worse against Zapdos and Exeggutor. (I really wouldn't drop Thunder Wave for this, personally. I think having Thunder Wave and Surf together helps since you're going to have people trying to chain switch against the Thunder Wave with Rhydon.)

(There are so many options that you haven't noted here; Dragonite's movepool is gigantic and this is a big opportunity for readers to get creative. Thunderbolt fries opposing Cloyster, Body Slam is a reliable alternative to Hyper Beam that lets Dragonite scout while spreading paralysis, etc. Hell, I remember people using Fire Blast to burn Gengar switching in so its Explosion ends up sucking back in the day.)

Checks and Counters
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**Paralysis**: If not running Agility, Dragonite can no longer use Wrap as effectively due to most Pokemon being able to outpace and threaten it after Wrap ends, misses, or gets paralyzed. (Much more needs to be noted here, you have to be specific. Paralyzed Dragonite gets dicked by Cloyster and Lapras now, Chansey becomes much harder to deal with, and that's the least of it. Dragonite is very iffy defensively, part of what makes it good is the fact it's so hard to actually touch. Paralysis takes that away. You should note that when carrying Agility, Dragonite cares a little less. You could even extend this section to status in general; it hates being burned by Moltres, and in the rare event it's poisoned it's just kind of fucked.)

**Gengar**: Gengar can stop Dragonite's Wrap attack cold in its tracks, due to it being immune from taking Wrap damage, and can threaten it out with Hypnosis. (Again, you need to be more specific. Gengar takes no damage and can be used to PP Stall Wrap. Not only that, Gengar's Special means it doesn't care for Dragonite's coverage that much either.)

**Articuno and Jynx**: Articuno and Jynx can outpace and OHKO Dragonite lacking Agility with Blizzard.

**Cloyster and Lapras**: Once Dragonite is paralyzed, misses Wrap, or lacking Agility, Cloyster and Lapras can OHKO Dragonite with Blizzard.

**Ice-type attacks**: Ice-type attacks from Chansey, Starmie, Tauros, and Snorlax can 2HKO Dragonite. (Surely these two can be merged with the Articuno and Jynx section? Besides that, you really need to note that Dragonite can do about it (Wrap pivot out against slowmons, run with its tail between its legs otherwise))

(Nothing on PP stall counterplay? The AgiliWrap build really hates it. Stuff like Gengar/Rhydon + Chansey, etc)

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[Plague von Karma]

Decided to go over this again just to try and get this into a better state. Needs a bit of help. I'm not QC, so you don't have to implement this unless a QCer nags you. I strongly recommend you proofread your work as there's quite a bit of weird sentence structure and spelling errors that GP would rather not deal with.
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the ygo very funny dragon got banned since this analysis started

[OVERVIEW]

Dragonite is a unique Wrap user in the tier, as it is the only one that has Agility to make it a great mid- to late-game cleaner threat. (you don't really "clean" mid-game w/ dragonite, it just kinda pokes you until you squeal for it to stop) Dragonite is often used to wear down Pokemon with Wrap until it can fire off a Hyper Beam or Blizzard to finish them off. (it also spreads para when predicting a fast mon wants to come in on Wrap, remember the catch-22) It also has access to Thunder Wave and Agility, which that furthers help itself with using Wrap to take care of the opposing team; it also gives it and find many ways to use them due to how it to forces switches from Rhydon and Exeggutor. It does lack good STAB moves, but thanks to its great Attack stat, it can fire off powerful Hyper Beam. (It's more a case of it having titanic stats in general, which lets Body Slam, Blizzard, etc still notable) While it does have good stats, it does, (AC) however, fall short of outpacing Pokemon like Tauros, Zapdos, and Jynx has to rely on paralysis from its teammates or its own Thunder Wave or Agility to outpace most Pokemon. (This framing is still really bad and belies how Dragonite acts in practice. Again, it is fast relative to OU staples, look at the list of OU Pokemon. You don't even note it beats out Cloyster, which is extremely good. If Dragonite wasn't as fast as it is it wouldn't even get touched in OU. It outspeeds 8 out of 15 OU Pokemon, two of which are already on every team, more of which are extremely common.) Dragonite also has a glaring weakness to Ice-type attacks, which Pokemon like Jynx, Starmie, Chansey, and Tauros commonly run, meaning a Wrap miss can often mean its demise.

[SET]
name: Wrap
move 1: Wrap
move 2: Hyper Beam
move 3: Blizzard
move 4: Thunder Wave / Agility

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
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Dragonite aims to whittle down teams mid-game once fast Pokemon are taken care of or paralyzed with Thunder Wave. (Remember that Dragonite is perfectly capable of paralyzing fast mons coming in, it's a fantastic lure for that) It should use Blizzard against a weakened Rhydon, Exeggutor, or Zapdos. However, Dragonite should be careful about using Blizzard against a healthy Rhydon, as Dragonite risks getting paralyzed by Body Slam, while a healthy Zapdos or Exeggutor is only 3HKOed with Blizzard, and Zapdos outpaces and cripples Dragonite with Thunder Wave. Hyper Beam can be used to finish off weakened Pokemon, but it has to be careful if there is still a healthy Pokemon that can tank a Hyper Beam like Tauros, Rhydon, or Snorlax, as it will have to recharge and can get heavily dented or KOed. Hyper Beam cank take care of Alakazam at 60% HP, Chansey and Starmie at half HP, and Tauros, Zapdos, and Snorlax at 32% HP. Dragonite should use Thunder Wave or Agility against Pokemon it can force out such as a Rhydon, weakened Zapdos, and Victreebel, or in the case of Agility, on a Pokemon that is put to sleep. Thunder Wave is also useful early-game to spread status, due to Dragonite forcing switches from Exeggutor and Rhydon, and make it easier for Dragonite to sweep later in the game. If Dragonite does get paralyzed, it can use Agility to get rid of the Speed drop and make move faster than the opposing Pokemon, (RC) and does not cripple while not losing the ability to wear down Pokemon with Wrap. Dragonite needs to avoid being paralyzed by Alakazam, Chansey and Zapdos, as this cripples Dragonite's ability to use Wrap to slowly wear down the opposing team. (With the previous sentence this seems like it contradicts yourself. Consider restructuring.) Dragonite's teammates should also scout Chansey, Snorlax and Starmie's moveset before switching in it switches in, as an Ice Beam from the former and Blizzard from the latter can 2HKO Dragonite (not wrong but mie can ohko) due to its major weakness to Ice-type attacks. Dragonite needs partners like Jolteon and Zapdos that can to help slow down the opposing team with Thunder Wave, while also threatening Starmie, Cloyster, and Articuno. Pokemon like Chansey, Alakazam, and Starmie that can switch into Ice Beam and Blizzard from Articuno, Jynx, Starmie and Chansey are needed to avoid Dragonite from being OHKOed. (all of these pokemon also carry twave, consider citing the previous sentence to say those Pokemon are valid alternatives to jolt/zap) These also can help spread status to make it easier for Dragonite to clean up teams later in the game. Victreebel is another good teammate due thanks ("due" carries a negative tone, this is a positive trait so "thanks" is better) to it being able to help spread status; this and can help take care of Rhydon and a paralyzed Cloyster and Starmie. It also poses a good core due to using as it can also Wrap to help wear down Pokemon. Cloyster is is also has good synergy with Dragonite, (AC) for being as it's (wrong preposition factoring in "can switch into...") immune to freeze, can switch into Ice-type attacks from Articuno, has and possesses Clamp to help wear down Pokemon for Dragonite. and has very good syenergy that goes well with Dragonite. Chansey can use Reflect + Thunder Wave to help spread status to against Pokemon like Tauros and Snorlax, (AC) which helps Dragonite takes care of them later in the game.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Surf can be used over Blizzard to OHKO Rhydon and the rare Golem; however, this makes Dragonite much worse against Zapdos and Exeggutor. Thunderbolt can be used over Blizzard to make let Dragonite able to 2HKO Cloyster and become capable to of combatting Starmie, Slowbro and Lapras better without the risk of locking into Hyper Beam or missing with Wrap. Body Slam can be used over Hyper Beam to allow Dragonite to try to get a paralysis chance paralyze opposing Pokemon (you always have the chance, it just doesn't mean you'll get the para) while also doing damage and scouting the opposing team. However, Hyper Beam is more useful as it is a powerful nuke that allows Dragonite to take care of Chansey, a paralyzed Alakazam and a very weakened Zapdos. Fire Blast is another option over Blizzard to burn Gengar or Snorlax, making their self-KO moves very weak. It can also be used to make expolsion to poor damage has a chance (what) to burn other physical attackers like Persian and Rhydon and Snorlax that will to cripple them for the rest of the game. However, Blizzard is more useful as it allows Dragonite to combat Rhydon and Zapdos more effectively. due to it take care of Rhydon better and can take care of a weakened Zapdos. (You can probably do more with the fire blast section but it's just worded really really poorly. Play around and see what drops.)

Checks and Counters
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**Status**: If not running Agility, Dragonite can no longer use Wrap as effectively due to most Pokemon being able to outpace it, like Lapras and Cloyster. (AP) These Pokemon can also and threaten it Dragonite with Blizzard after Wrap ends, misses, or gets paralyzed. Being paralysis paralyzed also makes it harder to deal with Chansey, as a paralyzed turn allows Chansey to restore its HP, (RC) or use Ice Beam to 2HKO Dragonite. Dragonite also hates being burned by Moltres, as this cripples Dragonite's ability to wear down Pokemon with Wrap, (RC) and make it unable to stay around as freely. If Dragonite gets poisoned from Toxic, it will be set on a timer for the rest of the game, and easily summb succumb to poison while wearing down Pokemon with Wrap. (the tox thing also applies to burns. i don't think this is too relevant though as toxic is very rare in ou)

**Gengar**: Gengar can stop Dragonite's Wrap attack cold in its tracks, due to it being immune from taking Wrap damage, which alllows it to PP stall Wrap. It also is not threatened by Dragonite's Special and can threaten force it out with Hypnosis. (note that gengar is still immobilised by wrap)

**Ice-type attacks**: Articuno and Jynx can outpace and OHKO Dragonite lacking Agility with Blizzard. Once Dragonite is paralyzed, misses Wrap, or lacking Agility, Cloyster and Lapras can OHKO Dragonite with Blizzard. Dragonite can however, use Wrap verus Cloytster and Lapras in order for it to pivot out and bring in the Pokemon that can threaten these ot safetly. Other Pokemon that run Ice-type coverage like Chansey, Starmie, Tauros, and Snorlax can 2HKO Dragonite. Articuno and Jynx can outpace and OHKO Dragonite lacking Agility with Blizzard. Once Dragonite is paralyzed or misses Wrap, Cloyster and Lapras can OHKO Dragonite with Blizzard. Dragonite, can, however, use Wrap to pivot out of these poor matchups and bring in a check. Other Pokemon that run Ice-type coverage, such as Chansey, Starmie, Tauros, and Snorlax can 2HKO Dragonite. (partially rewrote this because of multiple issues that would make this into a rainbow that's a hassle to implement)

(add tauros to ice-type attacks as newer players are allergic to that hyper beam absorption play)

**PP Stall Counterplay**: Pokemon like Gengar, Chansey, and Rhydon can PP stall Wrap thanks to either resisting Wrap or possessing great HP stats. with either to being immune, or thanks to their great HP stat. The opponent can also switch between Pokemon to waste Wrap's PP and therefore making it easy for a Pokemon like Tauros or Cloyster to finish it off. (This is poorly worded. I'm assuming you mean them switching makes it easy for Tauros to finish off the opposing team, but Cloyster sweeps are...eh? Please elaborate on how Wrap PP stall works in practice.)

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[mikmer]

Hey, am check here:
-imo this analysis is forgetting the biggest enemy of Dnite and wrap strategies in general: Reflect. Reflect Chansey & Snorlax can just sit in front of Dnite as long as they want and Dnite won't be able to break them due to wrap's imperfect accuracy eventually allowing them to click rest/softboil.
-Agility should 100% be the first slash over Twave imo, cause it's what turns Dnite into such a threat lategame being able to outspeed the entire metagame and having the best "comeback sweep" potential of any mon.

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Dragonite should use Thunder Wave or Agility against Pokemon it can force out such as a Rhydon, weakened Zapdos, and Victreebel, or in the case of Agility, on a Pokemon that is put to sleep.

I think you should specify more on how Dnite sets up its agility, you can't set up in front of twave mons obviously or strong ice types that can ohko you, but you can setup in front of normals like Tauros & non reflect Snorlax or Rhydon as long as you dodge a Bslam para, you can also set up in front of Eggy without stun spore after sleep clause is activated, or you can setup in front of slept mons or resting Jolteon/Jynx.

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If Dragonite does get paralyzed, it can use Agility to get rid of the Speed drop and make move faster than the opposing Pokemon, and does not cripple the ability to wear down Pokemon with Wrap.

If Dnite gets parad it's pretty much dead, even with agility negating the speed drop you still have the problem of getting full parad on the new wrap cycles so you are pretty much never gonna sweep with it.

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Dragonite's teammates should also scout Chansey, Snorlax and Starmie's moveset before switching in, as an Ice Beam from the former and Blizzard from the latter can 2HKO Dragonite due to its major weakness to Ice-type attacks.

Imo Dragonite should NEVER switch in on any attack, you don't wanna compromise your health by taking damage and hindering a lategame sweep or even worse risking a para by switching into Bslam, Dnite should be kept in the back for the majority of the game and only used lategame once an opportunity to setup presents itself either by switching on a slept mon or in sending it in as a "revenge killer" on something that can't status it.

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Dragonite needs partners like Jolteon and Zapdos that can help slow down the opposing team with Thunder Wave, while also threatening Starmie, Cloyster, and Articuno. Pokemon like Chansey, Alakazam, and Starmie that can switch into Ice Beam and Blizzard from Articuno, Jynx, Starmie and Chansey are needed to avoid Dragonite from being OHKOed. These also can help spread status to make it easier for Dragonite to clean up teams later in the game.

I think paraspam is not that useful for dnite as much as having weakened the opposing team, if the opposing team is paralized but healthy it will be very hard for Dnite to break through, on the other hand if the opposing team is weakened but unparad Dnite can sweep easily with agility.

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Victreebel is another good teammate due to it being able to help spread status and can help take care of Rhydon and a paralyzed Cloyster and Starmie. It also poses a good core due to using Wrap to help wear down Pokemon. Cloyster is is also good for being freeze, can switch into Ice-type attacks from Articuno, has Clamp to help wear down Pokemon for Dragonite, and has very good syenergy that goes well with Dragonite.

I think you should put more emphasys on this part of wearing down the opposing pokemon, especially weakening reflect Lax/Chasey, this is why Dnite pairs so well with Victreebel because they wear on each other checks together.

TLDR: This analysis needs to be a bit reworked imo to put more emphasys on how Dnite hates Reflect, and how much Dnite appreciates the opposing team being heavily chipped before it can attempt to setup and sweep.

 

[Plague von Karma]

As Yami has stated a willingness to leave the community, as well as a lack of progress since July, this analysis is being shelved. If someone wants to take it over, I am also open to that being considered.