Dual-typed hail team

Meryl

Meryl

I wonder how this team will do here. Serebii ripped it apart. lol. This is a DUAL TYPE HAIL TEAM with ICE and WATER. I will be USING it for GYM LEADER purposes in another forum. I would like your opinions on this team if it's good, ok, or horrible. ^^ Anyway, I did my research on Hail teams so I pretty much know that pure Ice types are a no-no (thus the dual typing). But I didn't use Tentacruel because he's so common. I prefer lesser used Pokemon in a hail team. That's also the reason why I didn't put in Walrein either. Hehe... Anyway, here goes.


THE ICE:

Abomasnow@leftovers
Sassy
Snow Warning
252HP, 22SpAtt, 236SpDef
Moveset:
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Woodhammer
- Blizzard

~ My modified version of the Mixed Attacker type. I removed all speed EVs and put them on SpDef to make her a bit more wall-ish. Anyway, her sole purpose is to initiate Hail, of course. With the very low speed, she has the priority over the weather, beating Tyranitar and Hippowdon (unless Hippowdon is on negative speed and has 0 speed EVs).

Froslass@Expert Belt
Timid
Snow Cloak
252SpAtt, 252 Spd
Moveset:
- Shadow Ball
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire

~ Special Attacker meant to kill any other Pokemon who is weak to its attack (thus the expert belt). It is also meant to kill certain Steel types (HP fire), especially the likes of Forretress and Scizor. It can also kill the annoying Skarmory. Why not HP fighting? I want to kill the Forretress, Scizor, and (at least weaken) Bronzong more. Heatran can be taken care of later.

Mamoswine@LifeOrb
Naughty
Snow Cloak
252Att, 20SpAtt, 236Spd
Moveset:
- Blizzard
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice shard

~ The Mix Mamo variety. I use him to counter those electric types that might harm my water type pokemon, and he does pretty well. From experience, a lot of people who I've faced assumed it was choice banded and fell down because of that wrong assumption.

THE TRANSITION:

Cloyster@leftovers
Naughty
Skill Link
252Hp, 200Def, 56Att
Moveset:
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Icicle Spear

~ I love Cloyster's defense. He laughs at Metagross's thunderpunches. XD Why Naughty nature? To increase his attack while not decreasing his defense and special attack. Why Skill Link? To take advantage of Icicle Spear. Why Icicle Spear? To take out or at least weaken the recently common Yache Garchomps. First hit of icicle spear is absorbed by Yache berry, but the next four hits are NOT affected. So it's either goodbye Yache chomp or I beat it to a pulp.

THE WATER:

Suicune@leftovers
Bold
Pressure
252Def, 218Hp, 40SpDef
Moveset:
- Surf
- Roar
- SleepTalk
- Rest

~ A Mixed waller and phazer Suicune. He also works with Cloyster, roaring pokemon away and having them poisoned if the toxic spikes are in play. Rest to recover damage and sleeptalk to either attack or roar the opponent. He was pretty useful especially against those pokemon who think they can set up on me. Suicune is also my sleep absorber since I discovered that I have problems once my pokemon are put to sleep.

Feraligatr@Choice Scarf
Adamant
Torrent
6 Hp, 252Att, 252Spd
Moveset:
- Return
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Crunch

~ Outspeeds almost any speedy Pokemon that isn't holding choice scarf. Took out Ice fang because all my other pokemon already have an ice move. He can outspeed Infernape because of the scarf (assuming the infernape isnt holding scarf as well), thus eliminating one of the team's threats. I don't know which would be better, brick break or superpower?


There you have it. The team isn't standard (and I think that's why serebii ripped it to shreds >.<). Anyway, it's a gym team. I know it has a lot of weaknesses but I tested it in Shoddy and I did fairly well. I won more than I lost. ^_^ Comments are welcome.

EDIT: Changes in bold
 
I'm trying out Weavile too. But I haven't decided on a set. I was thinking the anti-lead set since not many use it. I could use Weavile as my lead and Abomasnow could come next to unleashed hail. And I use Suicune because he is my sleep absorber and phazer.

I chose to use scarfed feraligatr for the element of surprise. I'm willing to substitute him for another though. But I would prefer another Water type Pokemon so that I don't get even more fighting, fire, steel, and rock weak. >.< I'm thinking Swampert, Starmie, or Gyarados. It's hard to choose. ^^
 
stoneobelisk4000 said:
Froslass isnt the greatest ice pokemon to have. and it ould be a good igea to use a weavile.

On feraligator you should use Dragon Dance.
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Froslass is immune to fighting, something extremely important to a team that runs Ice pokemon. My mono-Ice team uses one, though specs'd to take down Heatran in one blow with HP Ground. And Specs'd blizzards hurt a lot.

However, you might want to swap Feraligatr for Gyarados. Intimidate+fighting resist is pretty good for switching into fighting moves, which will undoubtedly give your team trouble.
 
Meryl said:
Cloyster@leftovers
Naughty
Skill Link
252Hp, 200Def, 56Att
Moveset:
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Icicle Spear
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I greatly recommend Brave on this set, or even better, a + Defense nature and the Defense EVs moved to Attack. You'll get more stat points that way. Unless you're trying to tie with Skarmory (if so you should put on a few Speed EVs to outrun it), Brave (relaxed)'s better.
 
Anti said:
I greatly recommend Brave on this set, or even better, a + Defense nature and the Defense EVs moved to Attack. You'll get more stat points that way. Unless you're trying to tie with Skarmory (if so you should put on a few Speed EVs to outrun it), Brave (relaxed)'s better.
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Ok, I could try that... Hmmm... But wouldn't it be better then if it was Lax natured? Increases def but decreases sp def. Cloyster wouldn't mind that, right since his sp def is already horrible as it is. At least this way, speed isn't affected? What do you think?
 
That Feraligatr kicks ass. You could put in rock slide over brick break, or Ice Punch. Body Slam can paralyz, but Return works too. Water + Normal is good type coverage.
 
Khyl said:
That Feraligatr kicks ass. You could put in rock slide over brick break, or Ice Punch. Body Slam can paralyz, but Return works too. Water + Normal is good type coverage.
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Hmm... I could try that... but wouldn't a fighting move like brick break or superpower be more beneficial compared to normal attacks because they can cover steel and dark types?
 
Meryl said:
Hmm... I could try that... but wouldn't a fighting move like brick break or superpower be more beneficial compared to normal attacks because they can cover steel and dark types?
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They do but given that Return's damage can be far greater then BB and SP might be wise to think about :).

SP i would say no to because it reduces every stat and although it's strengthy it's not worth the side effects unless Gatr carries White Herb.
 
Hmmm... Ok. So it's either brick break or Return. I should test it out for a bit. ^^

Anyway, I'm also thinking about the Weavile. I was thinking of using the Anti-Lead set in the site. Then use him as my lead instead of Abomasnow, then Abomasnow can come in later to summon hail. Or would the standard expert belt Weavile be better (but not as the lead)?
 
Water+Normal is only resisted by Empoleon, and Shedinja. How many of those two have you seen?
EDIT: Magnezone too.
 
The biggest problem I see is that any Steel pokemon could give you a ton of trouble.

Primeape or any puncher could spell doom for you, considering Fire Punch is 4x good versus Abomasnow and it doesn't have any attacks that hit Pinsir or Heracross, or any Fighting Types, for super effective damage. Then again, you could trade after, or even before, the initial Fire Punch for a Water poke.

But thing is, your team does share a lot of weaknesses.

Too bad there isn't any Ice/Poison pokemon though.
 
Waterfall takes care of most steels, except Magnezone and empoleon. In fact I'll go edit my post now.
 
No, water/rocks does not resist water. As water hits rock for super-effective damage. And why would Magnezone resist water? Maybe you are refering to BoltBeam?
 
Stickx said:
I would really, really recommend that you have a poke with Flash Fire. Heatran, maybe.
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If you were to read the starter post, you would see that this is a mono water/hail team. Meaning it is against the rules of his arrangment to add a Heatran (or any other flash fire poke).
 
Actually, its a dual type hail team with ice and water types. Anyway, it looks like Return does well, since Earthquake can handle steel types. ^^ I'll go edit my first post now. ^^

About the previous post on Cloyster, Would Lax be better than Brave or Relaxed?
 
Insan3 said:
I would definetly add Stallrein in place of Suicune.
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I use Suicune because it's not weak to Stealth Rock, is a phazer, and is a sleep absorber. I've already tried stallrein, but he added to my fighting, rock, and steel weakness. Plus, Suicune seemed to be more effective when I compared the two...


Anyway, no one has a confirmation or a suggestion on the nature of my Cloyster?
 
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