Elemental Rage - OU RMT

Lord Blood

Lord Blood

Intro: This is actually my friend's team. He wanted me to post it for him, so here I am. This team took a lot of time and effort to build. Any help to fix it up for the Platinum Release is appreciated. This team is slightly off the norm. As most teams carry Scizor, Tyranitar, etc., this team works it's way to defeating the common Pokemon. With the metagame changing everyday, new strategies and Pokemon must be added to fit the criteria of winning.

Changes are Italicized.

Up Close and Personal:

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Metagross @ Occa Berry
Adament Nature
252 HP/236 Atk/12 Def/8 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
- Bullet Punch


This may seem like your everyday Metagross, but this is a whole new metagame. With Latias turning OU, and Latios being tested for OU power, a Steel typed Pokemon is almost a 100% necessity to almost every team. (Unless of course if they want to be swept by Outrage. :P) With that in mind, Metagross seemed like a perfect match. It can absorb Outrage, and still hit back hard with Meteor Mash. If I keep my Choice Scarf 'till later, I can sweep with Meteor Mash. Even though Steel is possibly the worst attacking type, Meteor Mash still does a lot of damage, even when resisted. Trick is just for the beginning of the game. I can play a lot of mind games, when they see that I go first with my Choice Scarf. So if they switch in a Bulky Water to take my Meteor Mashes, I can Trick them the Choice Scarf and screw them over. Stealth Rock is virtually on every team. So, Metagross makes a perfect candidate to use Stealth Rock with. Explosion is just a little bonus. With it's Steel typing, I can switch into Outrages and Explode on the Dragons, making it easier for the rest of my team to sweep.

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Infernape @ Life Orb
Hasty Nature
64 Atk/252 SpA/192 Spe
- Fire Blast
- Close Combat
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

With the changing metagame. Speed is becoming very useful nowadays. So, I decided to put a twist on most of my Infernapes. Since there are only two Fire OU Pokemon, Scizor seems to be on every team. This is one of my Scizor counters. With Fire Blast, I OHKO many threats. With Choice Scarf, I outspeed all Heatrans, and OHKO with Close Combat. Hidden Power Ice is again, like a filler, but a pretty good filler. I can switch Infernape in after one of my Pokemon dies to a Dragon, and HP Ice the Dragon back to hell. U-Turn is to help me with those pesky Latias and possibly Latios, if it becomes OU.

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Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Seed Bomb
- Swords Dance
- Mach Punch

Breloom is sort off my status absorber. If I'm already Poisoned, then I can be an awesome status absorber. I Spore on every Pokemon that's slower then me. Then, I begin by either Sword Dancing and beginning an early game sweep, or just attack right away. Mach Punch is for STAB and finishing off weakened opponents. Seed Bomb is for all those Psychics and Ghosts, who think they can come in on my Mach Punch. A Sword Danced Seed Bomb 2HKOs 252 HP/Def Dusknoir. As you can see, Breloom gets many people pissed off.

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Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest Nature
12 HP/252 SpA/12 SpD/232 Spe
- Agility
- Substitute
- Surf
- Ice Beam

This is my newest change. With Agility, Sub, Surf, and Ice Beam. I hit all but Waters. Agility is for a late game sweep. Substitute would work with my agility and then I use Surf and Ice Beam to take down the opponent. This is actually just a Pokemon who fits into the team with it's number of resistencies and 4x Bullet Punch Resist.

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
Inner Focus
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch

Another one of my late game sweepers. His steel typing and his fabulous fighting type help me to continuously switch in, seeing as I only take 3% damage from SR. SD works with my Agility Sub Petaya Empoleon to weaken the opponent's team as much as possible to let my other Pokemons finish off the weaknened opponent's team. Nothing much else to say here except that this is pretty much standard.

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Latias @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

I'm running Choice Scarf Latias because of a few reasons. First, my team is lacking a lot of speed. This Choice Scarf makes up for the lack of speed. The power behind this is much greater than Choice Scarf Salamence because Latias posses higher SpD and SpA. This makes it a formidable opponent when used against Salamence. Draco Meteor provides me with the hardest hitting Dragon attack currently in OU. Dragon Pulse is for continuous attack, mostly mid game. Surf and Thunderbolt are for coverage and basically Steels.

Any help to fix up the team is appreciated. Thanks for viewing the team.
 
I'd personally put some Attack EVs into Metagross if you're going to try sweeping with it. It really DOESN'T hit all that hard when resisted with no investment, and a lot resists it, basically giving a free switch.

Both Machamp and Snorlax ResTalk about a billion times better than Swampert. I'd suggest replacing it with one of them, or turning it into something more standard.

Porygon-Z brings the total number of Scarves on this team to three. In other words, you're going to be switching out quite a bit. Kingdra can easily come in on Metagross' Meteor Mash and set up a few Dragon Dances. If it's the Substituting Bulky set, you're in even worse shape, as the status moves you'll try to hit it with will completely fail and allow more setting up. I'd seriously either change Porygon-Z or Metagross, considering Pory-Z isn't very good. In my opinion, Latias is superior with better coverage and Calm Mind.
 
First of all, when working with this type of team (bulky offensive), you really want to make sure that you can counter the most common offensive threats. These may include Salamence, Gyarados, Lucario, Infernape, etc. While taking a look at that very small yet powerful list, we can already come to the conclusion that you will get hit extremelly hard with any of their attacks, particuarly Lucario. After one Swords Dance, it can sweep your whole team.

While I started to mention Lucario, the fact that your oppponent will be able to set up very easily is also to my disliking. Both of your scarfers can't keep continuasly switching into attacks, since their bulk really isn't there. However, back to Lucario. Since you have two scarfers, Lucario could come into any of the two's ice attacks, and set up a Swords Dance. That will thus equate to a good game (or bad game).

It also seems as though you want to switch this team to a offensive variant, but found yourself losing to complete offensive type Pokemon. The way you get around that is, either going with priority or complementing your Pokemon to switch into and setup to therefore hopefully dent and/or sweep your opponent's team. With that in mind, I recommend switching out Swampert and Snorlax for two offensive type Pokemon. Those may include any of the sort that I mentioned in the beginning of this rate. As a personal preferrance, Gyarados and Lucario look really hot in place of those two.

Since we are taking the route of offensive, let's change your lead Metagross to a suicide. I believe you can find that set on the Smogon dex, but here's the set: Explosion, Stealth Rock, Bullet Punch, Meteor Mash. Your team isn't hit badly by Stealth Rock, so I don't see the need to actually put in Aerodactyl or Azelf.

In regards to your other two Choice Scarfers, I'd suggest taking the scarf off of Infernape, and making it a mix ape. That will help exponentially during stall. You will therefore still maintain some speed in your team with Porgyon.

Overall a decent team. Hope I helped.
 
Comments in Red.

Darkvirus said:
Not a rate but some advice the font colour on nape is hard to read had to highlight it you may wish to change
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Ya, I'll change it to Dark Orange. Sorry you couldn't see the color.

MapleSandwich said:
I'd personally put some Attack EVs into Metagross if you're going to try sweeping with it. It really DOESN'T hit all that hard when resisted with no investment, and a lot resists it, basically giving a free switch.
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I'll use the Lead Metagross set that they have on Smogon.

Metagross @ Occa Berry
Adament Nature
252 HP/236 Atk/12 Def/8 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
- Bullet Punch

This will help against all those free switches.

MapleSandwich said:
Both Machamp and Snorlax ResTalk about a billion times better than Swampert. I'd suggest replacing it with one of them, or turning it into something more standard.
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I was really confused as to what to do with Swampert. I just needed a bulky water, and Swampert's typing was almost perfect. But when I look at it now, I'm actually considering putting Vaporeon or maybe Machamp ResTalk here. Any advice for this would be appreciated.

MapleSandwich said:
Porygon-Z brings the total number of Scarves on this team to three. In other words, you're going to be switching out quite a bit. Kingdra can easily come in on Metagross' Meteor Mash and set up a few Dragon Dances. If it's the Substituting Bulky set, you're in even worse shape, as the status moves you'll try to hit it with will completely fail and allow more setting up. I'd seriously either change Porygon-Z or Metagross, considering Pory-Z isn't very good. In my opinion, Latias is superior with better coverage and Calm Mind.
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Ya I'm switching from Scarf Ape to Mixape and from Trick Gross to normal lead gross. But, looking at Latias stats, I'll put Latias over Porygon-Z. Helping me set up and then sweep is probably better:

I'll use this offensive set:

Latias @ Life Orb
Modest Nature
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Surf
- Recover

This will give me higher coverage and a good way to heal.

Limitless said:
First of all, when working with this type of team (bulky offensive), you really want to make sure that you can counter the most common offensive threats. These may include Salamence, Gyarados, Lucario, Infernape, etc. While taking a look at that very small yet powerful list, we can already come to the conclusion that you will get hit extremelly hard with any of their attacks, particuarly Lucario. After one Swords Dance, it can sweep your whole team.
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Ya, I did see that Lucario could sweep my team with the correct SD Moveset. And overall, this is a bulky offensive, thanks for pointing that out. I was just trying to use my favorite pokemon Breloom and use the other pokemon to help work around it's weaknesses.

Limitless said:
While I started to mention Lucario, the fact that your oppponent will be able to set up very easily is also to my disliking. Both of your scarfers can't keep continuasly switching into attacks, since their bulk really isn't there. However, back to Lucario. Since you have two scarfers, Lucario could come into any of the two's ice attacks, and set up a Swords Dance. That will thus equate to a good game (or bad game).
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Haha. I hate having Lucario switching into my Ice attacks. And it's Bad game for me. =P

Limitless said:
It also seems as though you want to switch this team to a offensive variant, but found yourself losing to complete offensive type Pokemon. The way you get around that is, either going with priority or complementing your Pokemon to switch into and setup to therefore hopefully dent and/or sweep your opponent's team. With that in mind, I recommend switching out Swampert and Snorlax for two offensive type Pokemon. Those may include any of the sort that I mentioned in the beginning of this rate. As a personal preferrance, Gyarados and Lucario look really hot in place of those two.
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I'll just use Empoleon over Gyarados. Empoleon is a pokemon that people don't really except, so I can switch into Bullet Punches and Agility Sweep their team:

Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest Nature
12 HP/252 SpA/12 SpD/232 Spe
- Agility
- Substitute
- Surf
- Ice Beam

For Lucario, as you mentioned before, SD Cario rapes my team, so I decided to use my own SD Cario:

Lucario @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
Inner Focus
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch

Crunch is just there to stop Ghosts from ruining my fun. I was considering SpecsCario, but not really sure. If you can help me here, that'd be great.

Limitless said:
Since we are taking the route of offensive, let's change your lead Metagross to a suicide. I believe you can find that set on the Smogon dex, but here's the set: Explosion, Stealth Rock, Bullet Punch, Meteor Mash. Your team isn't hit badly by Stealth Rock, so I don't see the need to actually put in Aerodactyl or Azelf.
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Ya, I changed it to Suicide lead. SR isn't going my hurt my team, so I really don't need Aerodactyl or Azelf.

Limitless said:
In regards to your other two Choice Scarfers, I'd suggest taking the scarf off of Infernape, and making it a mix ape. That will help exponentially during stall. You will therefore still maintain some speed in your team with Porgyon.
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I'm changing Infernape to MixApe:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Hasty Nature
64 Atk/252 SpA/192 Spe
- Fire Blast
- Close Combat
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

This will give me good coverage.

Overall a decent team. Hope I helped.[/quote]

Thanks for your help.
 
With the new additions you have made, I believe full heartily that your Latias would be much better off with a Choice Scarf. At this point, you get raped hard by any form of Dragon Dancing. For instance, Gyarados, Salamence, etc will just completely tear it apart barring Lucario's priority. His priority won't really get you that far.

So with the addition of a scarf, I truly believe it will cover all necessary bases. In addition, I actually may try this team out myself. I've grown fond to this type of team, and the workings behind it are actually quite feasible.

On another note, the move-set you choose for Latias should include Thunderbolt, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, (coverage move), pluss or minus any moves that you have found useful. If Latios manages to become OU, then that would be the better option in this slot.
 
Lord Blood said:
Intro: This is actually my friend's team. He wanted me to post it for him, so here I am. This team took a lot of time and effort to build. Any help to fix it up for the Platinum Release is appreciated. This team is slightly off the norm. As most teams carry Scizor, Tyranitar, etc., this team works it's way to defeating the common Pokemon. With the metagame changing everyday, new strategies and Pokemon must be added to fit the criteria of winning.

Changes are Italicized.

Up Close and Personal:

s_metagross.png


Metagross @ Occa Berry
Adament Nature
252 HP/236 Atk/12 Def/8 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
- Bullet Punch

Absorb Outrages? It may take some, but without recovery i wont take MANY hits, even if it has a natural bulk.
infernape.png


Infernape @ Life Orb
Hasty Nature
64 Atk/252 SpA/192 Spe
- Fire Blast
- Close Combat
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Mixape. With so many latias nowadays, you wont go far. Specs outspeed AND ohko you, and they just wall you. Latias switch in. bye ape, maybe you can come later in this battle.

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Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Seed Bomb
- Swords Dance
- Mach Punch

I really like this one, but...zapdos just own it. gyarados can do the same, specially after a DD (im pretty sure this doesnt OHKO a gyarados)
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Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest Nature
12 HP/252 SpA/12 SpD/232 Spe
- Agility
- Substitute
- Surf
- Ice Beam

Good theorymon, but if blissey come in, you are a dead man (or penguin). It can just stall you to death, and if SR is up, you cant even switch out.

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
Inner Focus
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch

Fine. But it shared too many counter with Scizor (Zapdos, Gyarados...) and almost every team have a good counter to Scizor (and consequently, SDLuke)
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Latias @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

I'd rather trick and specs. It's already damn fast, and with that it can just own blissey.

Any help to fix up the team is appreciated. Thanks for viewing the team.
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Your only chance against Scizor is Infernape. And, without wish support and that many SR, soon he'll be bringed (whats the simple past of bring? o.o) to the floor, presenting Scizor a clean sweep. Tbolt/Twave/Heatwave/Roost Zapdos also gives you serious troubles. Only latias can take it, and without recovery and after being paralyzed, it's only a matter of time.

I spoke, spoke, spoke and didnt give you any help.
1-Specs Timid Latias -> Hard to counter.
2-ScarfMagneton/a Defensive Zapdos/Bulky Gyara in empoleon place. With any of them you can check Scizor or even trap it
 
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