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Eradication By Stall [OU 4th Gen]
- Thread starter Eradicator
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I would reccommend adding something like a forretress in the team. Rapid spin helps your MvP gyarados a lot, its walling capabilities allow it to stall your opponents a bit more to help rack up residual damage and spikes. You could also give roserade toxic spikes to give it a better chance of throwing out leech seeds and give forretress spikes. With forretress' defence you should easily be able to set out spikes.
I also think your team would benefit from gravity but its not all that necessary.
I also think your team would benefit from gravity but its not all that necessary.
Awesome team in general but why Bold for jirachi? shouldn't it be impish since you're running physical moves on it?
@Fried Thanks for the rate. I'll look into testing out Forry over Jirachi.
@dark Name one reason why stall is a bad way to win.
@Death Whoops, it's supposed to be Impish. Look like a entered the wrong nature on PO.
@dark Name one reason why stall is a bad way to win.
@Death Whoops, it's supposed to be Impish. Look like a entered the wrong nature on PO.
Bump. I would really like some more rates on this....
Hey Eradicator, this is a pretty good team. There are a couple of problems it has though:
-Starmie = Basically you have no safe switch ins, since it 2HKO's and OHKO's everything you have. Your only real defense is Flygon's U-turn which is extremely unreliable for dealing with it. It also ruins your strategy by spinning fairly easily. Starmie is basically the number 1 threat to your team.
-Snorlax (and other last pokemon stat uppers) = You really can't deal with Snorlax at all, since you can basically phaze it early on easily but as the last pokemon you can't damage it at all after a Curse. Your only real hope so far as I can see would be to try and Leech Seed it with Roserade, then hax it with Jirachi.
-Heavy stall = Yeah, these could be a problem. You don't have any pokemon really capable of breaking through SkarmBliss and similar.
My suggestion is using Rotom as your Scarfer over Flygon, as it outspeeds Starmie and can therefore reliably spinblock against it, and it can Trick against both last poke stat uppers, and stall. You can keep the ScarfGon, but I would recommend changing it to either a mixed LO / Expert Belt Flygon, which can help against stall in particular; or a Gliscor. Gliscor can either run TauntToxic, which helps a lot against stall and defensive teams; or it could SR for you which would let Heatran run something like TauntRoar. Depends on your preference basically.
Finally, I would use a heavily special defensive spread on Jirachi which enables it to beat Starmie 1 v1.
Hope this helps!
-Starmie = Basically you have no safe switch ins, since it 2HKO's and OHKO's everything you have. Your only real defense is Flygon's U-turn which is extremely unreliable for dealing with it. It also ruins your strategy by spinning fairly easily. Starmie is basically the number 1 threat to your team.
-Snorlax (and other last pokemon stat uppers) = You really can't deal with Snorlax at all, since you can basically phaze it early on easily but as the last pokemon you can't damage it at all after a Curse. Your only real hope so far as I can see would be to try and Leech Seed it with Roserade, then hax it with Jirachi.
-Heavy stall = Yeah, these could be a problem. You don't have any pokemon really capable of breaking through SkarmBliss and similar.
My suggestion is using Rotom as your Scarfer over Flygon, as it outspeeds Starmie and can therefore reliably spinblock against it, and it can Trick against both last poke stat uppers, and stall. You can keep the ScarfGon, but I would recommend changing it to either a mixed LO / Expert Belt Flygon, which can help against stall in particular; or a Gliscor. Gliscor can either run TauntToxic, which helps a lot against stall and defensive teams; or it could SR for you which would let Heatran run something like TauntRoar. Depends on your preference basically.
Finally, I would use a heavily special defensive spread on Jirachi which enables it to beat Starmie 1 v1.
Hope this helps!
this is a nice generic FWG+flygon team after the salamence ban. Your lead is defeated by a lot of todays leads and it has to switch out frequently. Your heatran can become taunted, while it cannot handle repeated attacks, any suprise move on your heatran can mean the end since it cannot recover. I would reccomend a specially defensive hippowdon.
Hippowdon (M) @ leftovers
Trait: sand stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -spAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- earthquake
- slack off
- Roar/ice fang
I think this is really good for your team. Zapdos heat wave won't even 3HKO, while you can ice fang or phaze it out to take 25% next time it comes. It also sets up sand storm which helps you stall better. This hippowdon synergizes extremely well with your gyarados, since this is specially defensive it cannot stand boosted physical attacks which is exactly where your gyarados comes in. This can replace your heatran since it does heatrans job better and has recovery so it can do its job over and over.
PS what does bump mean lol?
Hippowdon (M) @ leftovers
Trait: sand stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -spAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- earthquake
- slack off
- Roar/ice fang
I think this is really good for your team. Zapdos heat wave won't even 3HKO, while you can ice fang or phaze it out to take 25% next time it comes. It also sets up sand storm which helps you stall better. This hippowdon synergizes extremely well with your gyarados, since this is specially defensive it cannot stand boosted physical attacks which is exactly where your gyarados comes in. This can replace your heatran since it does heatrans job better and has recovery so it can do its job over and over.
PS what does bump mean lol?
scarf rotom isn't as good a revenge killer as flygon because of u-turn. Flygon can come in to anything it outpaces, and just u-turn to bait moves like ice-beam/dragon for your other pokes to handle. Hippowdon does everything you want heatran to do and checks threats like zapdos, and other specially based pokemon that don't carry high powered SE moves like hydro pump. Bubbly, if you don't agree hippowdon can replace heatran then at least give me a reason why.
@bubbly Thanks for the rate. I'll try out the Scarf Rotom-W idea and I agree with the threats that you listed. The Specially Defensive Jirachi seems good, I'll probably make the changes soon. I'm not sure on what to replace ScarfGon with yet, but I'll try Gliscor.
@MasterX Thanks for the rate. The Specially Defensive Hippowdon sounds alright, but if I lose Heatran, I'm losing some important synergy on the team and I'm destroyed by Shaymin and Celebi. I'll test it out anyway.
@MasterX Thanks for the rate. The Specially Defensive Hippowdon sounds alright, but if I lose Heatran, I'm losing some important synergy on the team and I'm destroyed by Shaymin and Celebi. I'll test it out anyway.