You really think you can do things day one?
People like you: they’re no fun
Better watch out, you should be on the run
I’ll vote you out, yeah you’ll be all done
Bars
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NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game over, mafia wins!
- Thread starter Alice Kazumi
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People like you: they’re no fun
Better watch out, you should be on the run
I’ll vote you out, yeah you’ll be all done
Bars
hi I'm policy voting sorry, not likely to move on D1
skimmed the thread, will probably have thought (singular) formed soon
skimmed the thread, will probably have thought (singular) formed soon
People filling up the thread, grouching bout no-posting townies
Peep a villain chillin on the couch, coasting and toasting brownies
My girly's toting chocolate batter, so pour it in the platter
Chatter's a chore. You're dead in the head thinking early voting matters
You're policy voting des because she's bad at the game or what
Doing a reread… Alright so this whole thing screams to me, grasping at straws to find a reason to vote someone.
DbD plays NOC but I wouldn’t call him someone with “high esteem” (no disrespect) and I know LN wouldn’t think this of him either.
Additionally, he’s now saying this is the only reason he is voting DBD (cuz he wants to no vote) when the reality is I already parked a vote on DBD — so he’s trying to find logic to build a wagon. LN is feeling very sus to me:
unvote
vote LonelyNess
Frankly, unless you plan on being significantly more active than you were in the last game i saw you in, this does feel like the pot calling the kettle black.
What makes you any better or worse to keep around over des d1?
Why do you think LonelyNess would have a nuanced opinion of DBD's strength as a player? For someone who never plays NOC, you're just going to assume anyone who plays NOC regularly knows what they're doing. It also seems clear to me that DBD tries hard and cares about improvement, which is like... all you can really expect of someone? idk. This seems totally reasonable to me
LN is incredibly smart. Don’t underestimate him. He is acting like a noob but there is scum reading in OC.
Additionally, LN knows DBD very well too.
Like I'm really trying but I really don't see what's so bad with idling night kill. Mafia can't hit a power role, it doesn't make LYLO happen earlier, it just reduces the odds of town misvoting next round or increase the odds of getting a lucky track for town. Maybe I'm like completely missing the point somehow but I don't see how some people can consider no vote and then ignore the fact that mafia can do the same. No vote just seems really shitty in that situation
1. mafia nking makes us lose our doc
2. no vote->no nk->no vote->… is winning for town
Please explain both of those things like I'm a stupid 10 yo
I will grant that mafia have less incentive to NK than they normally do in this setup. But they still win the game by NKing. They are never going to hit scum so the only downside to it is the possibility of getting tracked, which is at its lowest N1. Like, you would never no vote if you were 100% guaranteed to hit scum; why would scum no kill when they are 100% guaranteed to hit town? (obv doc can block but that still isn't hitting scum)
Yeah I mean I see your point but I feel like mafia would rather play D1 again than get a NK. The way I see it (assuming a perfect game from mafia (only missvotes/protector always miss) :
- NV and NK : LYLO at D6 (4/4)
- NV and no NK (assuming town votes D2) : LYLO at D6 (5/4)
-Missvote and NK : LYLO at D5 (5/4)
By not killing N1 after a no vote, mafia loses nothing and makes town waste 3 actions (which isn't much but could come back later). But the important point is that it basically resets us back to D1, so the actual "length" of the game doesn't change, since D2 will not have any new info than D1. NV and NK risks mafia getting tracked and gives even the slightest bit of info for town to chew on. So yeah we could keep extending the game length artificially but it's not a viable strategy as activity will very likely drop and mafia are the ones benefiting from that.
Well, something is still happening. Actions can't be idled (unless forced), and each player has a limit to how many times they can use actions. So if all three actions are on town, having a "null day" still ticks down that counter. Two of the actions are basically irrelevant to mafia, as well, so on average mafia would rather everyone burn their uses at random on days where they won't matter.
...hm.
I think this is actually a decent argument against idling the vote. I mean, I still think it's very unlikely that town and scum both decide to game theory optimize their way into not playing the game for dozens of days. But I think you are right that if we no vote, and scum no kill, it will start to kill activity. So even if there's a very small chance of it happening... I mean, I already thought no vote was bad; this is just another reason not to do it.
...hm.
I think this is actually a decent argument against idling the vote. I mean, I still think it's very unlikely that town and scum both decide to game theory optimize their way into not playing the game for dozens of days. But I think you are right that if we no vote, and scum no kill, it will start to kill activity. So even if there's a very small chance of it happening... I mean, I already thought no vote was bad; this is just another reason not to do it.
Stall is peak
Will back read to try and say something coherent before deadline
we have 5 misvotes atm, if we hit a successful doc we gain an extra one. if we NV and mafia NKs, we still have 5 misvotes but if we hit a successful doc we still only have 5
2. is peums idea that mafia cant pass actions to wach other more than once
AirC’s kinda right that if we no vote I think it’s optimal for scum to no kill which is why a stalemate rule should exist (but they all kinda suck, they benefit either town or mafia a lot there’s no neutral stalemate rule)
Don’t get it twisted that that means no voting is optimal for town to do though, it still isn’t lol
Don’t get it twisted that that means no voting is optimal for town to do though, it still isn’t lol
i feel like no kill from scum just lets us eternally use our rules and ultimately town takes adv (due to 'if they receive a role they can use it but they as a whole can only pass each action to an ally once per game' from rules)
so scum cant do that in like, magical game theory land
obv we dont live in magical game theory land
by the way in magical game theory land town's stalemate would cease after everyone used a role 4x which im too lazy to do the maths but thats a lot of days it would be like 2 or 3 irl months i think
i think that would peak can we please do that
we can run new nocs and stuff just let the horrible stalemate gaming occur in the background
two months later we have a complex web of confirmed not s/s pairs and half the people have subbed out and we proceed to perfectly kill everyone