I did, but it was part of my ''bad post''. It was going to be exposed, but some people started to bothering me and I Unvoted.
-
Smogon Premier League is here and the team collection is now available. Support your team!
-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game thread - Day 6!
- Thread starter Alice Kazumi
- Start date
- Status
But... you have to pass it on anyway.......
ECat please explain why you chose to do this because I genuinely cannot imagine a reason to do this as town
Why I chose to what? to not vote?
I played about 3 or 4 Mafias similar to this one, and another 3 or 4 extremely fantasy power-role Mafias on this forum. I have no other experience with this game.
I really hate D1 in every Mafia game I’ve played. People vote and argue things like, “In your post you said ‘we,’ wtf do you mean the Mafia? I’m going to vote you.” Under my way of reasoning, it’s impossible for me to agree with that kind of stuff. So I end up making the typical neutral post and then I get flooded with criticism. This time it got worse because of the random vote. But in every Mafia I’ve played, I’ve always had problems on D1 because of this.
I voted randomly because it seemed to me that it would be suspicious if I held my vote until the end and then joined a wagon without really being convinced by it. But I also didn’t want to vote No Vote, because it didn’t seem productive to me. After that was when I got into my bad mood and Unvoted.
Okay well I guess that does kind of change some things
Peum I think you are overreading that interaction a bit. Ecat voted and then like four people jumped on them calling them a moron. Do you actually think that a townie who doesn't really know what they're doing would hold on in that situation? Because I think a "normal person" trying to play this very intimidating game would react by unvoting and shutting the hell up for the rest of the day.
Otoh, if ECat has actually played mafia like 8 times before, I do think it's fair to call them on doing something that they've been explicitly told is anti-town.
On the OOOOOTHER hand....
I went back to go through D1, and the only posts I could find about mayor claiming were from me, Celever, and (mostly) Peum. I thought this was a huge topic of conversation, but actually I think it was just Peum posting about it a lot. I understand that this was an intentional gambit from Peum to try to catch a scum mayor, I guess? But I actually think it's pretty believable that a town mayor could see those three posts (or even really just miss the ones that aren't Peum) and think "I don't trust this person, they badgered me out of voting, I'm just going to shut up now." If Peum is scum this is a very good gambit for them, because it essentially generates a believable policy reason to vote out someone who will be a very easy mark. The fact that Celever seems to be on board and is seemingly taking all of this as common sense is an association I will look back to if Peum turns out to be scum.
At this point I am more suspicious of Peum than ECat. I am still pretty suspicious of ECat though. But, in the event that ECat flips (which I assume will happen) and they're town (which I think is plausible at least), I would put Peum next personally.
##Vote: Peum
Regardless of who ends up flipping, I really hate any day that ends with a lynch that looks like 7-2-1-1 or something like that. If there aren't two serious contenders for the lynch we learn very little from it. So, I hope someone else will either join me or start ginning up another bandwagon
Peum I think you are overreading that interaction a bit. Ecat voted and then like four people jumped on them calling them a moron. Do you actually think that a townie who doesn't really know what they're doing would hold on in that situation? Because I think a "normal person" trying to play this very intimidating game would react by unvoting and shutting the hell up for the rest of the day.
Otoh, if ECat has actually played mafia like 8 times before, I do think it's fair to call them on doing something that they've been explicitly told is anti-town.
On the OOOOOTHER hand....
I went back to go through D1, and the only posts I could find about mayor claiming were from me, Celever, and (mostly) Peum. I thought this was a huge topic of conversation, but actually I think it was just Peum posting about it a lot. I understand that this was an intentional gambit from Peum to try to catch a scum mayor, I guess? But I actually think it's pretty believable that a town mayor could see those three posts (or even really just miss the ones that aren't Peum) and think "I don't trust this person, they badgered me out of voting, I'm just going to shut up now." If Peum is scum this is a very good gambit for them, because it essentially generates a believable policy reason to vote out someone who will be a very easy mark. The fact that Celever seems to be on board and is seemingly taking all of this as common sense is an association I will look back to if Peum turns out to be scum.
At this point I am more suspicious of Peum than ECat. I am still pretty suspicious of ECat though. But, in the event that ECat flips (which I assume will happen) and they're town (which I think is plausible at least), I would put Peum next personally.
##Vote: Peum
Regardless of who ends up flipping, I really hate any day that ends with a lynch that looks like 7-2-1-1 or something like that. If there aren't two serious contenders for the lynch we learn very little from it. So, I hope someone else will either join me or start ginning up another bandwagon
ECat the trouble with not voting when you're mayor is, assuming you're town, it gives us an extra numbers advantage
scum are probably not voting for their bud on D1, so if scum do get voted out D1 the wagon's usually pure (or scum jump on right at the end when it's clear they can't swing the vote). and it's harder for wagons like that to win because, y'know, scum are trying to vote out town instead
the reason why that should be looked at as scummy is an expectation that town mayors will work this out and vote accordingly. whoever you vote for is better than not voting for someone, because it's +2 town votes on the wagon, y'know
can you explain previously saying you didn't see anyone posting about why claiming mayor D1 is a good idea, but are now posting that you disagreed with Peum's reasoning during D1 that claiming mayor is a good idea? it's a p base level contradiction in your account
scum are probably not voting for their bud on D1, so if scum do get voted out D1 the wagon's usually pure (or scum jump on right at the end when it's clear they can't swing the vote). and it's harder for wagons like that to win because, y'know, scum are trying to vote out town instead
the reason why that should be looked at as scummy is an expectation that town mayors will work this out and vote accordingly. whoever you vote for is better than not voting for someone, because it's +2 town votes on the wagon, y'know
can you explain previously saying you didn't see anyone posting about why claiming mayor D1 is a good idea, but are now posting that you disagreed with Peum's reasoning during D1 that claiming mayor is a good idea? it's a p base level contradiction in your account
I think if someone had made a post like this D1 instead of people just posting "if the mayor doesn't claim that means they're scum LOL" we would not be in this predicament
I am not the only person here who has played mafia enough to recognize that the reaction ECat had to D1 is a pretty normal reaction and something that people absolutely do as town. There are a few things about their posts that stink (you call one out in the final paragraph there) but I think it's really disingenuous to be like "oh this person got berated for making a vote, and then they DIDN'T VOTE. what gives, scum tell?????"
As much as I disagree with Peum he is clearly not scum, I completely disagree with his interpretation of the mech in this game and that mayor should claim asap but his posts are far from scummy.Okay well I guess that does kind of change some things
Peum I think you are overreading that interaction a bit. Ecat voted and then like four people jumped on them calling them a moron. Do you actually think that a townie who doesn't really know what they're doing would hold on in that situation? Because I think a "normal person" trying to play this very intimidating game would react by unvoting and shutting the hell up for the rest of the day.
Otoh, if ECat has actually played mafia like 8 times before, I do think it's fair to call them on doing something that they've been explicitly told is anti-town.
On the OOOOOTHER hand....
I went back to go through D1, and the only posts I could find about mayor claiming were from me, Celever, and (mostly) Peum. I thought this was a huge topic of conversation, but actually I think it was just Peum posting about it a lot. I understand that this was an intentional gambit from Peum to try to catch a scum mayor, I guess? But I actually think it's pretty believable that a town mayor could see those three posts (or even really just miss the ones that aren't Peum) and think "I don't trust this person, they badgered me out of voting, I'm just going to shut up now." If Peum is scum this is a very good gambit for them, because it essentially generates a believable policy reason to vote out someone who will be a very easy mark. The fact that Celever seems to be on board and is seemingly taking all of this as common sense is an association I will look back to if Peum turns out to be scum.
At this point I am more suspicious of Peum than ECat. I am still pretty suspicious of ECat though. But, in the event that ECat flips (which I assume will happen) and they're town (which I think is plausible at least), I would put Peum next personally.
##Vote: Peum
Regardless of who ends up flipping, I really hate any day that ends with a lynch that looks like 7-2-1-1 or something like that. If there aren't two serious contenders for the lynch we learn very little from it. So, I hope someone else will either join me or start ginning up another bandwagon
yeah but if someone makes a post like that D1 we don't get to reaction test the mayor so it stalls game progression. both town and scum have to follow the plan if it has such great and uncounterable public reasoning posted
for sure and you'll notice that all day I've been pointing out the possibility of ECat town, but I also have to point out it's not like he got berated for making a vote... he got berated for determining his vote by a
wheel and the response to that is to, y'know, make it through some other means rather than unvoteofc it could have been a town misplay, but town still has to try to punish those. whether that punishment looks like a full vote out or just heavy pressure the next day is case-by-case, we've so far done the latter and ECat has contradicted his own account so that's valid rationale to do the former instead
I recognize that if ECat flips scum then at a minimum I am never holding any PR in this game lol
If you held a gun to my head I'd say ECat probably has like a 60-70% chance of being scum but if ECat is town then Peum has a 100% chance of being scum. And in the scenario where ECat is scum I still think there's a world where Peum is scum who realized that ECat was going to be in dire straits today. I think working through that math I should actually sus ECat more than Peum, but even still I really do not want to have a scenario where eight people are on ECat and two people are split among two other votes
And if you add Kurt Angle to the mix ECat has a 133% chance of being scum
If you held a gun to my head I'd say ECat probably has like a 60-70% chance of being scum but if ECat is town then Peum has a 100% chance of being scum. And in the scenario where ECat is scum I still think there's a world where Peum is scum who realized that ECat was going to be in dire straits today. I think working through that math I should actually sus ECat more than Peum, but even still I really do not want to have a scenario where eight people are on ECat and two people are split among two other votes
And if you add Kurt Angle to the mix ECat has a 133% chance of being scum
ye going for Peum is why this is a chainsaw and it's why Bliz is probscum
idt you can build a case on Peum
I don't think scum would push Ecat like this, I do think scum would jump on an occasion to agree with everything Peum said without questionning just to vote Ecat tho
Well, I actually had voted for someone. I voted for Genisu. I didn’t like any of the wagons, and if I had joined one that was already established, like the Pulsar one, without agreeing with it, I felt it wouldn’t really reflect my thinking. The thing is, I didn’t have an argument, or rather my argument was actually kind of negative from town perspective.
I know and understand that it wasn’t a very productive thing on my part.
Sometimes I do random gambits D1 as town (and consequently also as scum) just because it generates discussion and forces people to have SOMETHING to vote based on
I feel like nothing really happened D1 and as a result I am actually forced to entertain someone saying "wah it's D1 all I can do is vote randomly" and lo and behold we had a runaway wagon on some random townie who did nothing, and D2 is also likely to be a runaway wagon on a person who did nothing (potentially town)
I feel like nothing really happened D1 and as a result I am actually forced to entertain someone saying "wah it's D1 all I can do is vote randomly" and lo and behold we had a runaway wagon on some random townie who did nothing, and D2 is also likely to be a runaway wagon on a person who did nothing (potentially town)
It’s simply what I said. In fact, in the same post where I say that I didn’t see anyone explaining it, I also clarify that I saw Peum’s posts. But I didn’t see anyone else go deeper into the topic, I didn’t see anyone really explain it, and I wasn’t in a good mood to ask. Throughout the game so far, I haven’t agreed with anything Peum has said up to now.
right but if ECat is scum Peum has a nigh on 100% chance of being town, and you put the chances of ECat being scum at 60-70%, so the optimal strategy is to vote out ECat and assess Peum based on the flip
your own probabilities make voting Peum today a bad idea lol
yes Peum could be hellbussing etc. etc. there's 0 motivation for scum to do that in a largely meandering game with little to go off of
and the hellbus would rationally require ECat to buy into it D1 so they could prime the manoeuvre which scum almost never do lol
and the hellbus would rationally require ECat to buy into it D1 so they could prime the manoeuvre which scum almost never do lol
- Status