I mean, I was previously on the D1 No Vote wagon in past games. I think this setup is probably the one where we gain the most value from not voting Day 1 as well.
I’ll answer the rest later
I’ll answer the rest later
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NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game thread - Day 4!
- Thread starter Alice Kazumi
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go seahawks (im reading back)
i am also unconvinced that d1 discussion is useful with voting someone out but
ill reconsider my exact stance after reading back
i disagree we're necessarily going in blind due to the roles (though i will agree thats unlikely to matter) and also like, just because we didnt vote someone doesnt mean we dont have info
my understanding is that no vote is generally not preferred but depending on the setup it could be preferred and im a little surprised everyone just immediately rejects the concept
like this to me is very convincing, even if you believe that d1's talk is entirely meaningless we basically get that day 'back' on d6
i do think theres a higher than 1/14 chance of protect working bc the mafia is more likely to go for some targets (like the vets) than others (like the newbies), but i agree that its pretty unlikely
and also if that does happen its really good for us either way so like i kind of want to assume the worst case
##Vote: No Vote
role PM says so
ppl like you/laurel maybe?
we learned a bit about scum des last game + believe NVing D1 in this setup is optimal
I like the idea of a mafia game being held hostage by a town refusing to hang people and a mafia refusing to kill people to prevent either side from gaining anything
LonelyNess is this your first mafia game? or just your first noc?
Definitely not my first mafia game. It is just my first NOC. In a high powered OC (as is typical of a Smogon OC mafia), a no vote that results in a guaranteed additional night cycle is generally strong because it gives the village an entire extra night cycle to use their abilities (and the village typically has strong informative roles and far fewer misvote buffers in Smogon OC games)
In an NOC with such weak villagers i'm willing to agree that a no vote doesn't help nearly as much (if at all)
its way more since for a no vote to be suboptimal there just has to be one protect throughout the whole game
if we care about the extra cycle to discuss, we can just no vote in MYLO which is optimal anyway.
I dont love dbd hopping on the no vote honestly
LN and laurel are still my towncore atm
Doesn't help is an understatement, it actually harm town unless I'm mistaken. Unless we go the route of denying mafia abilities (which they already have like almost 0 uses for), no vote just amounts to wasting actions for town and gaining no additional info from it
i feel like every game these days theres like 1-2 people advocating for no vote, definitely i think there should be a vote. someone i forgot who when i was first starting told me this philosophy i still stand by, that like our votes as town is our form of kp and we shouldnt waste this power and try to get information
We're kind of opposites then, I don't really think OCs are for me. I like everything being in one easily reviewable thread
I think also in NOCs we need information as quick as possible and in weaker games like this something like voting patterns can at least be a start, since N1 Mafia kill is essentially random and leaves no real public information, if that makes sense.
We get passive info from the three chain rule so this is not happening
Mathematics aside -- voting D1 generates information quickly (both from the flip and from voting patterns). If everybody agrees to no vote D1, then D2 becomes D1. Just with one fewer player. Towns lose when nothing happens in thread.
Also idk if anyone has pointed this out yet but it's easier for a doc to hit the kill target when there are fewer people.
I remember this happening on mafiascum once haha
If the person using it is competent the odds are actually decent later on. The fact that we're passing it around is interesting for this. Like, it can't get stuck on someone who won't use it well. We also won't have a single hero doc who stops 2+ kills lol.
In general I think we should expect the powers to go better than average but in a very swingy way. Unfortunately I think claiming "I'm usually good at <role>" is extremely bad here...
Extremely bad? I claim that im good at doc and usually get a heal in games, I DARE mafia to try and kill me, lets see if they hit the protect heal or the turn where im doc...