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NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game over, mafia wins!

Coordinated on what, reading des mind???
Do you notice that if we end up on a 3v3 scenario and mafia has doc, mafia only has to win a 50/50 while town has to win 3 in a row?
I didn't, it's not information I got by asking Alice, it's literally written in the rules and what you based your "mech solve" on D1
its badly written in the rules lol, everyone has agreed on that if you read it from the rules you would get another whole explanation from what it actually does
  • x1 Watch + Track. If the target has used an action you will learn who they targeted and if the target was targeted by any ability you will learn it as well.
 
I have been pushing Ecat since day 1

Westcraft has pushed A fairy

Des has mechanical reason not to be voted

Vishy would be the most probable, but you cant make a scumteam with 1 person
i pushed a fairy too, theres something called bussing for ecat. des's mechanical reasoning isnt real considering it is des after all not having discord/not realizing and it could be SvS, vishy is like a midground honestly and im not sure about this one
 
i pushed a fairy too, theres something called bussing for ecat. des's mechanical reasoning isnt real considering it is des after all not having discord/not realizing and it could be SvS, vishy is like a midground honestly and im not sure about this one
your push on a fairy wasnt real, if me and ecat were a bus, ecat would have pushed me harder than he is, and I do not understand what your understanding of des mechanical clearing is
 
Like at this point if you're doc just say it so I can confirm that it was not a scumslip AirC even if you end up being town doc, the suspicions on you are too high and mafia killing you would actually benefit town more if we hang a scum
 
Do you notice that if we end up on a 3v3 scenario and mafia has doc, mafia only has to win a 50/50 while town has to win 3 in a row?
Ok I love maths, let's run the numbers.

Assuming mafia hammers means the whole scumteam is revealed
Worst case scenario we don't consider doc at all
N6 : 3 scum 4 town

Likelihood that mafia hits mayor (0.33)

D7 : 3 scum 3 town

Likelihood we kill scum if mafia didn't kill mayor (1)
Likelihood we win the 50/50 if mafia did kill mayor (0.50)

Likelihood of loss at D7 (0.16666...)

N7 :
Likelihoods of mafia killing mayor (0.33)
Still one third because if things are right mafia won't know who had mafia D7

D8 :
Same as D7

Likelihood of loss at D8 (0.166666)

N8/D8
It's 2 50/50 in a row

Total likelihood of scum winning, 0.58

Yeah that sounds bad, expect doctor is here, and every kill on mafia is a chance that doctor could go back to town, so the odds of mafia winning this if they have doctor right now are lower that 0.5

So yeah, even if mafia starts with doctor and still has the 2 mafia in a row thing it's still town sided

its badly written in the rules lol, everyone has agreed on that if you read it from the rules you would get another whole explanation from what it actually does
  • x1 Watch + Track. If the target has used an action you will learn who they targeted and if the target was targeted by any ability you will learn it as well.
Ok is this badly written :

A player can use the same action up to two times but not the same consecutively and can use up to four actions in total the whole game.

I'm sorry English is not my first language so maybe I'm just confused but this seems pretty clear to me
 
Ok I love maths, let's run the numbers.

Assuming mafia hammers means the whole scumteam is revealed
Worst case scenario we don't consider doc at all
Weird seeming that you already considered doc on town from the getgo!!
N6 : 3 scum 4 town

Likelihood that mafia hits mayor (0.33)

D7 : 3 scum 3 town

Likelihood we kill scum if mafia didn't kill mayor (1)
Likelihood we win the 50/50 if mafia did kill mayor (0.50)

Likelihood of loss at D7 (0.16666...)

N7 :
Likelihoods of mafia killing mayor (0.33)
Still one third because if things are right mafia won't know who had mafia D7

D8 :
Same as D7

Likelihood of loss at D8 (0.166666)

N8/D8
It's 2 50/50 in a row

Total likelihood of scum winning, 0.58
Yeah this is not how it works...

mafia killing whoever gets passed the mayor on n7 is 0.5
and mafia killing whoever gets passed the mayor on n8 is 1

your calcs are wrong
Yeah that sounds bad, expect doctor is here, and every kill on mafia is a chance that doctor could go back to town, so the odds of mafia winning this if they have doctor right now are lower that 0.5

So yeah, even if mafia starts with doctor and still has the 2 mafia in a row thing it's still town sided


Ok is this badly written :

A player can use the same action up to two times but not the same consecutively and can use up to four actions in total the whole game.

I'm sorry English is not my first language so maybe I'm just confused but this seems pretty clear to me
I think it was pretty obvious that I was referring to actions in a row??
 
Weird seeming that you already considered doc on town from the getgo!!
Is it? Idk if you say so, not half as weird as most of the stuff you said today
Yeah this is not how it works...

mafia killing whoever gets passed the mayor on n7 is 0.5
and mafia killing whoever gets passed the mayor on n8 is 1

your calcs are wrong
I was pretty clear about that but mafia doesn't know who's mayor on D7 and D8 so we cannot remove the current mayor from the kill pool
I think it was pretty obvious that I was referring to actions in a row??
Yeah? That's literally the rule I quoted that's written in the rules??
 
Is it? Idk if you say so, not half as weird as most of the stuff you said today

I was pretty clear about that but mafia doesn't know who's mayor on D7 and D8 so we cannot remove the current mayor from the kill pool

Yeah? That's literally the rule I quoted that's written in the rules??
why would they not know it? They have to vote to vote a scum off
 
and accumulated probability doesnt work like that... Mafia only has to win it one time, Town has to win it 3 times in a row, there's no but
Scum has a likelihood of 0.16 of winning ON D7, a likelihood of 0.16 of winning ON D8, a likelihood of 0.25 of winning ON D9.

Which means, the total probability (again worst case scenario) of scum winning is 0.56, which means town has 1-0.56= 0.44 of winning on the worst case scenario which isn't even a real scenario
 
Scum has a likelihood of 0.16 of winning ON D7, a likelihood of 0.16 of winning ON D8, a likelihood of 0.25 of winning ON D9.

Which means, the total probability (again worst case scenario) of scum winning is 0.56, which means town has 1-0.56= 0.44 of winning on the worst case scenario which isn't even a real scenario
this is still wrong...
 
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