Ferocious Flygon

Hello everyone of Smogon! I am Rich Boy Terry and this is my second RMT. This team works really well together but is in need of some criticism and also needs some suggestions. The only Pokemon that is not going to change is Flygon because it's sort of the star of the show here and my favorite dragon Pokemon. This is my first time doing a team building process so it might be a bit sloppy but here we go.​
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This team was actually intended to be built around the special Nasty Plot Lucario. My intentions with this were because most people when they see Lucario go to there physical walls but by the time they do that a Nasty Plot gets set up.
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I needed someone that could take all of Lucario's weaknesses and the first one that came to my head was Gyrados. Since it can switch on pokes Lucario has to get away from I gave it the Dragon Dance set with substitute.
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Next I wanted someone to take the electic and rock hits that might be thrown at Gyrados and I also wanted a Revenge Killer, I went with Flygon because it can do both of those.
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Next I needed a Stealth Rocker. I decided on Metagross due to his extreme bulk and killing power. He also resist ice and dragon which might be aimed at Flygon.
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Next I wanted an overall tank and someone to set up spikes so I went with Deoxes-D. I also absolutely love Deoxes-D ability in pressure because it can help me win stall wars and its good for the long game.
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Next thing that I wanted was another special attacker because Lucario had been the only one. I decided in choice specs Latios because the raw power of it is really helpful for taking out something or doing an extreme chunk of damage to something that decides to switch out.​

Well with that out of the way lets get to the team itself.

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Lucas (Lucario) @ Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 SAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Nature:Timid

Vacuum Wave
Aura Sphere
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Special Lucario is a monster. With this EV Spread Lucario can easily sweek a team if they are unprepared. Nastey plot is the move that puts this whole set together. When one is up most pokes get KO-ed from Aura Sphere. Aura Sphere is the best fighting special attack by far. As far a fighting special attacks there is not much competition but with 90 base power and the inability to miss with it makes it a very strong move. Vacuum Wave is very helpful because it has a +1 priority and is there for a final bit of damage to something or if I need to revenge kill something at low health.

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Giovanni (Gyarados) @ Leftovers
Trait: Moxie
EV's: 56 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spe
Nature: Adamant

Waterfall
Bounce
Substitute
Dragon Dance
Gyarados is a very dangouros Pokemon if your not sure what your doing. Waterfall is my main and only STAB attack. It's a very powerful attack and its flinch rate is very generous so sometimes hax can be helpful at times but it's not something that I completely rely on. I run Ice Fang over Bounce because well a fatal flaw in this team is that Gyarados is my only poke with an Ice attack. Substitute makes sweeping so much easier because you cant be killed behind it, barring something like rock blast or icicle spear. And finally Dragon Dance is what lets Gyarados sweep like a maniac. With the speed boost it lets me to out speed a poke and kill it then the Moxie shenanigans begin!

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Faith (Flygon) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EV's 252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 Spa
Nature: Naive

Earthquake
Outrage
U-Turn
Fire Blast
And we get to Flygon! Although this team was built around Lucario, Flygon ends up getting most of the kills and in general is the star of the match. Earthquake is a very powerful STAB attack that can easily top over pokes that don't resist it. Outrage is her strongest attack in her arsenal letting me to do considerable damage to multiple pokes. U-Turn is there mainly for scouting but can still hit those Psychic and Dark types hard. And I like Fire Punch more then Stone Edge simply because Stone Edge is very unrelible and Fire Punch lets me hit those Ferrothors, Scizors, Fortresess, Ect which can be a problem to the team.

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Jasmine (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EV's 252 HP / 224 Spd/ 32 Spe
Nature: Careful

Stealth Rock
Iron Head
Thunder Wave
Wish
Well goodbye Metagross you were good and all but Jirachi did the job so much better as a Stealth Rocker. Stealth Rocks is a crucial move for almost any team because it's just so helpful. Thunder Wave is to cripple pokes that are not ground and the hax can help me but I do not rely on it. Wish is very helpful to the whole team, I can heal Jirachi if needed because it is supposed to take hits like a champ but leftovers can only heal so much. Iron Head can be used in the worst of times but it is not used that often because Jirachi serves as a support character to the team.

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Esther (Espeon) @ Light Clay
Trait: Magic Bounce
EV's 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 SpA
Nature: Timid

Reflect
Light Screen
Hidden Power Fire
Psychic
Well Espeon does the job of setting up duel screens very well. The max speed is sort of like her defense mechanism. When the screens go up she can take a neutral hit very well despite the frail defenses and it also helps the sweepers set up due to the defense boost. Hidden power fire is a move to just defense myself against a Forretress and sometimes Ferrothorn but they can't do anything to Espeon at all. Psychic is just my STAB attack and it helps me take out threats such as Infernape and others that don't resist it.


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Leonardo (Latios) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EV's 252 SAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Nature: Timid

Draco Meteor
Surf
Psyshock
Hidden Power [Fire]
Latios is sort of the odd one out on the team for some reason I don't feel like he belongs if that makes any scene. Well he is just here for his raw power. With Draco Meteor he can easily one shot an opponent due to his monstrously high Special Attack with choice specs. Surf is for Heatrans and other Fire or Ground pokes. Psyshock lets me hit Blissy and Chancy really hard. And Hidden Power Fire is there for those pesky steel types that like to get in the way.

Well that's my team I hope you like it and please try to give some criticism about it because I know it's not at it's fullest potential that it could be at. Well i'm Rich Boy Terry, signing out.​

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If flygon has choice scarf use adamant nature. It will be able to do that much more damage while 1.5 speed boost on 100 base speed is good enough anyway :3
 
Hey,

Overall, solid team. Your use of Gyarados ultimately leads to me suggesting Rapid Spin support. I'd recommend a Physically Defensive Forretress over your current Deoxys-D. Forretress can still fill-in to set up Spikes, and it can also use Rapid Spin to aid its teammates. Also, it is not Pursuit-weak, and it has a better defensive typing. It helps a lot against sweeping Dragons, like Haxorus. Rapid Spin also helps Latios, who repeatedly needs to switch out because of the restrictions imposed by using Choice Specs.

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef
IVs: 0 Spe
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Volt Switch
- Gyro Ball
- Rapid Spin
Volt Switch lets Forretress gain offensive momentum for your team, as well as escaping Magnezone's Magnet Pull. Gyro Ball hits decently hard off a 90 Base Attack Stat, and it lets you beat Dragons setting up Dragon Dances, notably Dragonite. The EVs max bulk, in order for you to take hits better whilst setting up Spikes or using Rapid Spin to get rid of hazards on your side of the field. The 0 Speed IVs are there to maximize Gyro Ball's power. For Gyarados, I'd recommend Bounce over Ice Fang. It lets you beat Volt Switch Rotom-W, and hits harder than Ice Fang (127.5 with STAB). It also helps against Ferrothorn, who is solidly 2HKO'd after a Dragon Dance boost! Even though Ice Fang hits Dragon-types harder, the difference becomes insignificant once Gyarados gets a few boosts up, thanks to Dragon Dance and its ability, Moxie.
Physically Defensive Forretress > Deoxys-D
Pros: Not Pursuit-weak, can provide Rapid Spin support, hits harder with Gyro Ball, better defensive typing to deal with Dragons.
Cons: No Taunt, slightly less defense.

Bounce > Ice Fang for Gyarados
Pros: Hits harder with STAB, better move overall
Cons: Hits dragons less hard, but after boosts in attack, the difference is insignificant.

Nice team, I hope I helped! Good luck!
 
Thanks for that rate Expert! The only problem I have with Forretress is that my team would have a glaring fire weakness because half the team would be weak to it. But rapid spin would be helpful. So I will try that out before adding it to the team. And I guess bounce would be a lot more helpful because of STAB. So that will change. All in all thanks for the rate!
 
Thanks for that rate Expert! The only problem I have with Forretress is that my team would have a glaring fire weakness because half the team would be weak to it. But rapid spin would be helpful. So I will try that out before adding it to the team. And I guess bounce would be a lot more helpful because of STAB. So that will change. All in all thanks for the rate!

Latios, Gyarados and Flygon do fine in tanking Fire-type moves, actually. Forretress is good to go!
 
I like the team, especially the flygon. However, I recommend giving Metagross THUNDERPUNCH over METEOR MASH. If a gyarados switches in on Metagross, they get to set up a DD on your switch. With Clear Body, you take it down with ease.


Id also give it defensive EVs, so you have a phydical wall, then make Deoxys specially defensive, or add a more solid special wall. Just my preference. But seriously, T-Punch will help.
 
I like the team, especially the flygon. However, I recommend giving Metagross THUNDERPUNCH over METEOR MASH. If a gyarados switches in on Metagross, they get to set up a DD on your switch. With Clear Body, you take it down with ease.


Id also give it defensive EVs, so you have a phydical wall, then make Deoxys specially defensive, or add a more solid special wall. Just my preference. But seriously, T-Punch will help.

Gyarados isnt seen often at all,and he has other Pokemon to deal with him.
But a Pokemon that is awfully common is Gliscor,so Ice Punch on Metagross wouldnt be a bad idea.

While Forretress is a great idea for the team another great idea is Sweeper Screen Espeon.

Espeon@Light Clay
252 Speed ALWAYS and 252 HP OR 96 Sp attack and 152 HP
Timid
Magic Bounce

HP Fire
Psychic
Light Screen
Reflect

Use this over Deoxys D. Dual Screens is a great way to set Gyarados and Lucario up for a sweep and Magic Bounce keeps hazards off your side(not to mention it throws back those hazards at the opponent),PLUS you can hit back hard with HP Fire for the common Ferrothorn and Forretress as well as beating Scizor. Also,if you play your cards right you can also beat Breloom,Conkeldurr,Tentacruel outside the rain and even Terrakion!
 
Alright I have been trying the Forretress and it was doing really well but I will try the Espeon now. Thanks for that suggestion Darkerones.
 
Hello,

I am really glad to see someone use a specialy orientated lucario. If the team he is facing doesn't have someone who can resist the vacuum wave, then lucario will surely sweep. Congrats. Now to the Rate.

First of all, i don't see the point of Metagross since your offensive pressure is already solid without him. That's why i would suggest a Sp.Def jirachi with Stealth rocks. The same typing as Metagross, however, way more useful to your team. I would also back up the suggestion of expert physics, forretress instead of Deoxys; a forretress with Spikes and T spikes can be very dangerous. It doesn't really matter that you have 3 fire weaknesses because you have 3 excellent fire absorbers who can survive any fire attack you server them.

Conlusion: Sp.def jirachi over Metagross
and Forretress over deoxys
 
Gyarados isnt seen often at all,and he has other Pokemon to deal with him.
But a Pokemon that is awfully common is Gliscor,so Ice Punch on Metagross wouldnt be a bad idea.

Apart from Latios, I disagree. He doesn't have a great way to deal with Gyarados. Ice punch is good-- I run ice punch myself on my gross. But he needs defensive EVs to take Earthquakes on a regular basis. I might recommend discarding the Bullet Punch-- tough as that is to do-- for better coverage with dual elemental punches.
 
Hmm I will try the Jirachi Emirinho I have never used one before so that would be fun. Yes I am trying out Forretress at the moment as well as the Espeon in place of Deoxes-D
 
Nice team you got there. I had been testing with the changes I am about to suggest to your team and made so far 1350 points with a test alt. To start with, Flygon failed to reach OU for many reasons, mainly because he lacked the power to muscle through the mayority of the dominant pokemon in the current metagame. By making this team a hazard stacking Turn/Switch abuse (similiar to mostwanted´s and my team), Flygon is succesful to pull out a sweep by himself while forcing a lot of switches pressuring the oponent.

1) Changed your Deo-D set to a Fast Lead. Deo-D has already high defenses and he is guaranteed to set SR at least and he is also able to set Spikes under the right circumstances. With Magic Bounce you prevent faster Taunters like Prankster Sableye to set-up on you while Taunt stops other pokemon from setting up like Ferrothorn.
2) Used a Choice Band Flygon instead of the Scarf. With a Choice Band, Flygon packs now fearsome power muscling through the mayority of the OU metagame. Outrage will OHKO/2HKO anything that doesn´t resist it. Earthquake will now OHKO Jirachi & Tyranitar expecting a weak Earthquake. Fire Blast 2HKOs Skarmory and U-turn keeps momentum.
3) Replaced Metagross with a Bulky SD Scizor to tank Draco Meteors & defeat Psychic types while still being able to keep momentum with U-turn. This set can Roost off the damage, and it can set up SD lategame proceeding to sweep with Bullet Punch.
4) Replaced your Gyarados with Scarf Rotom-W to make him a revenge killer able to check threats like Mamoswine, Dragonite & Heatran, while making a Turn/Switch core with Scizor & Flygon to pressure the oponent.
5) Replaced Lucario with SD Virizion. Virizion is faster and he can defeat by himself most Turn/Switch cores thanks to SD boosting an accurate Close Combat able to murder Scizor while Leaf Blade punishes Rotom-W. Hidden Power Ice is the last slot because it murders Gliscors who would wall this set. The Lum Berry will prevent those annoying status like Scald burns.
6) Changed Latios to Pain Split Gengar. With a Life Orb, Gengar becomes a real threat to most OU pokemons hitting for unresisted coverage. The main advantage this set has is the ability to defeat Chansey & Blissey 1-on-1 while be able to take down Tentacruel in Rain thanks to Pain Split recovery. He is also able to spin-block allowing you to keep Spikes & SR on the field.

Here is an exportable version of the team. I know this changes are drastic & it uses an overused Turn/Switch strategy but I believe that Flygon will be succesful if you decide to use my suggestion. Anyways good luck and happy to know someone is using Flygon again in OU :).

Deoxys-D @ Rocky Helmet
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 20 SDef / 216 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Taunt
- Spikes
- Magic Coat
- Stealth Rock

Cadejo (Gengar) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Pain Split
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Flygon (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- U-turn
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

ESPADA (Scizor) (M) @ Iron Plate
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 96 Atk / 164 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Roost
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance

Virizion @ Lum Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Leaf Blade
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance

Whirlpool (Rotom-W) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Trick
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Ice]
 
Those changes pretty much creates a completely different team.

However, I'm all for a fast lead Deoxys-D

Deoxys-D @Leftovers
Pressure
252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spe
Timid (+Spe,-Atk)
-Spikes
-Recover
-Taunt
-Seismic Toss
 
Motagua thanks for the rate but i'm not going to use all those suggestions you made.
1) I'm not really using Deoxes-D anymore I think i'm going to go with either Espeon from Darkernes or Forretress from Expert Physics.
2)Yes Flygon lacks the raw power to completely one shot certain pokes but I prefer the speed. Flygon can still out speed a Dragonite if it has only one DD up and revenge kill it if Multi-Scale is broken
3)Metagross has been replaced with Spd Jirachi. Jirachi has been doing to job really well because I now how a great special wall with stealth rocks and reliable Recovery.
4)Gyarados has more then earned its spot on the team I'm not going to switch him with Rotom-W
5)Whats so great about the Lucario set is it's surprise factor. Most people just assume they are all physical for some reason. Maybe because of Gen 4 where they were but I will stay on topic. And another thing that makes Lucario such a threat is the priority of Vacuum wave.
6) I think I will try Gengar in place of Latios and see how that goes for me because my team gets completely walled by Chansey and Blissy if Gyarados and Lucario are down.
 
i know you made this team around flygon but Hydreigon does a better job becuase flygon is 4X weak to a common type ice and cant take the hits that Hydreigon can
also Hydreigon has both decent Atk and Amazing Sp.Atk meaning it makes a great mix guy on your team and if your going to try out Hydreigon also try dragonite yes it has the same weak points but that fact that he gets multiscale is very good

Sets:
Hydreigon (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 36 Atk / 220 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Focus Blast
- Draco Meteor/Outrage
- Fire Blast
- U-turn
this way u-turn can do some damage and if your using outrage try the spatk and atk being reversed so 220 atk and 36 Spatk.Outrage for blissey but i see you got that covered so i dont think you need outrage but try it out

and dnite
Dragonite(M)@Leftovers
Trait:Multiscale
EVs:252 Hp/44 Atk/212 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch
- Roost

this is the bulky DD if you dont like this then try the 252 atk 252 speed 4 def and see how that works

try it out and i hope i helped :D
 
Although I agree that flygon shouldn't run fire punch, I would recommend flamethrower over fire blast. It has more accuracy, so you dont miss out on a crucial turn. And, correct me if im wrong, but doesnt flamethrower also 2hko skarm?
 
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