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I was never sure if I'd be going to graduate school after college. So when I finally figured out that I'd be attending some graduate school (but definitely PhD graduate school if at all) after last summer, it was time for a bit of a panic.

Over the course of my college years, I figured out that what I really, really wanted to do was design circuits and stuff that connected to brains. Stuff like connecting computers to brains. This has all sorts of awesome applications, like vision and hearing for people who otherwise can't. And plenty of other stuff. And I find it all really fascinating.

Problem #1 is that my college didn't have anything to do with engineering. This isn't so big, people get accepted to engineering places from liberal arts colleges all the time. But it's still annoying, and it reflects itself poorly in my test scores.

Problem #2 is a little bigger, and that I've figured what I really want to do to see my interests and goals through to the end is something like a MD-PhD program. But the problem here is that it requires a ridiculous amount of standardized testing (GREs and MCAT), all in the fall of my senior year (which I'm currently doing), and a second semester of biology (which I don't have yet) because the programs I've seen all start you off for 2 years in medical school before going to graduate work instead of the other way around. I'd really do fine if it was the other way around (I'd take the biology semester I'm missing over the summer, and take the MCAT later -- I really can't take all these tests at once). Another problem is that the medical school application deadline happened a long time ago.

I'm really not sure what the point of my posting this here is. I guess I'm sort of looking for advice, but I don't know what advice could even be given. What I've been doing now is applying for graduate school (extremely stressful by itself) and, once I get there, I figure I'll try to migrate into a dual-degree program. I don't know if that's the best way to go about things or not, but it's the only way I can see at this point.
 
In relation to the GREs, which ones do you have to take? If you have to take any of the subject tests, you should jump on that as soon as possible. I had planned on taking both the general and subject test for English Literature over the summer, but I found out to my dismay that they only offer subject tests 3 days during the entire year (October, November, and April, I think is the last one). April is probably the next time you can take that, so I'd register then if you have to do so.

The general GRE isn't too difficult, and from your plans I'm sure you've been doing well enough in school where it shouldn't be too problematic. Basically just brush up on vocab, I think I still have a list of their "top" words, if you'd like them just send me a PM and I'd be happy to send them over. It's also the most flexible test seems like, when I registered over the summer there were plenty of date choices.

If you are planning on attending graduate school in Fall '09, most of the schools I've looked at so far have a deadline of around mid December or later. If not, there's nothing wrong with taking time off beforehand, I had an advisor tell me you can defer your acceptance up to a year, so if you need the time I'm sure it wouldn't be a big deal just to get everything in order, so to speak. Honestly, I'm not sure if it's too late for fall '09 if you haven't taken the subject tests or not, that's something you might have to ask the schools you're looking into.

I don't know if any of the information I've given you is useful or not, but I am going through the same arduous applying process. My problem is that I need to submit a 15-20 or 8-10 page writing sample with most of mine, but I don't have any papers of that length, so I have to write one from scratch...which I haven't done yet haha. Time's ticking for me too really. But yeah, I don't know if this is a help to you at all (and sorry if I'm rambling :-/), but if you have any other questions for somebody going through a similar process, feel free to ask.
 
The verbal GRE doesn't even matter for me. I've done "well enough" to the point where anything better doesn't matter because the programs I'm applying to are math and science. But don't even get me started on how that test is nothing but subjective bullshit ("how many obscure English words do you know?").

The math GRE is more problematic. I took it once and did pathetic, especially compared to how I should be doing, having been a math major for 2 years. I am taking it again in December (the 10th). I plan on studying my ass off once my applications are out of the way. (My big problem was that I ran out of time on every single section, and I know I could have gotten an 800 on math if I had infinite time.) So far, the only school I have applied to that has a December deadline does not require the GREs (and I did not send them my scores) -- coincidentally, that school is my top choice.

The subject GRE is something I have not taken, and at this point I will not take it. If the school requires it, I will not be applying there. I cannot do any more testing.

Yes, I am planning on attending in Fall '09. I've "completed" applications for 4 schools. I need a safety school badly. (Scare quotes used because my essays are currently being proofread by my professors, and I'm waiting for letters of recommendation from them as well. Also I'm taking the GREs again.)
 
Well that's good at any rate. I agree that the entire test is nonsense, especially the "oh here's another section, we're not going to tell you which one really counts though!" part of it. It is a bit of a pain in the ass that you have to go through the analytical writing and verbal sections again when they're not even necessary for you.

Straying away from schools that require the subject test is probably your best bet. Do you have to send most of yours off in December? Most of the apps I've "finished" just have the basic sections filled out, I still need to finish my personal statement and critical essay. It's just hard to motivate myself when it's not for a "grade" I guess. What's more bitchwork after 3.5 years though, right?
 
This is a situation where you unfortunately have to work your ass off if you're really interested in it. There are tons and tons of study aids for the GREs out there. Do you have any friends taking it? I studied with someone and it was immensely helpful for our morale (which was also pretty low, I'll add).

If you have to wait, you do have options. I know many folks who just temped for a semester and took that time to get everything together. It's not super-cool or flashy, but it works. In the grand scheme of things, you ought to go for something you want to do or you'll just be unhappy. Putting it off for 6 months isn't the end of the world.

I'm sure it will work out.
 
If you don't mind me asking, where and to what programs are you applying?

I'm applying for computer science or electrical engineering or biomedical engineering, depending on which school it is. So far I've applied to MIT, the University of Rochester, Brown University, and Dartmouth College. MIT and Dartmouth appeal to me most; MIT is my top choice and Dartmouth appeals because it has something that I very seriously take simple pleasure in: small-town life. If I get into MIT I can live with a friend of mine in Boston; that will be a large help in living in a city. As for the other two, I've actually been to Rochester and Providence, and have especially enjoyed Rochester. I still need something of a safety school, but the two I wanted to use both require the subject test.
 
I'm staying generally within the Midwest with my applications: University of Pennsylvania, Ohio State University, Illinois-Urbana Champaign, Miami University-Oxford, Rutgers, Wisconsin-Madison, University of Pittsburgh, and Indiana University. My eventual plan is to get a Doctorate in English Literature (well, specifically I guess American Literature post 1900). Some of the schools require me to get an MA and then follow up with the Ph.D program while a couple just put you straight towards the Doctorate. I'm really indifferent to where I go, but I want to have a somewhat large variety so I can compare cost. IU would probably be the best choice as it's instate, but places like Illinois are willing to give teaching assistantships immediately and waive tuition depending on how many classes you teach.

Miami University-Oxford and Pittsburgh are my "safe" schools, as I'm pretty sure I can get into those "easily." Pittsburgh is one that shoots you straight into the Ph.D program as well, so that would probably save me a couple of years. Rutgers seems like an outlier, but I have family in New Jersey that I could (hopefully) stay with. All of the ones I'm applying to have fairly good English programs, so it's really just a matter of where I'm accepted and the various costs.
 
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