First Competetive Team Please Help

[BartTrunks]

Alright here's my team and my first post. Hitmonchan is my favorite pokemon so I really need help to make him work. This is the first competitive team I'm building so much help and advice is needed. I'm also not really sure about the evs/natures/items. I have agility on jolteon for chan; light screen is also there to give him some more special defense. To be honest though i hate choice band. I also like scizor, umbreon, electivire, magmotar, charizard, raichu, lucario, and infernape and wouldn't mind adding them to my team. I know you guys are pros and your advice would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Jolteon@Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SP.ATK; 252 SPD; 6 HP
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Aglity/Thunder Wave (Can't Decide, TW to make em slower then chan & maybe setup a sub)
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
I added substitute, I can't decide between thunder wave or agility though

Alakazam @Choice Specs
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 SATK; 252 SPD; 6 HP
Timid Nature
-Psychic
-Grass Rope
-Shadow Ball
-Trick
Special sweeper, cleans up what Chan can't finish

Flygon @Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 ATK; 252 SPD; 6 HP
Adamant Nature
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-U-Turn
-Screech
Lower defenses and make em weaker for chan

Hitmonchan@Expert Belt/Life Orb
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 ATK; 252 SPD; 6 HP
Adamant Nature
-Sky Uppercut/Drain Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
Star of the show, changed choice band to expert belt

Donphan @Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
Evs: 252 HP, 252 SP DEF, 6 DEF
Careful Nature
-Ice Shard
-Roar
-Rapid Spin
-Earthquake
I needed a phazer and a special tank, so I replaced dusknoir with donphan

Milotic@Light Clay/Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP, 252 DEF, 6 SDEF
Bold Nature
-Light Screen/Hypnosis
-Recover
-Ice Beam
-Surf
Special Def for chan and rest of team, but hypnosis may give me some setting up time


Threat List

Tyranitar: Chan takes him out

Gyarados: Jolteon beats this

Infernape: Milotic can beat him

Azelf: Alakazam for this (with light screen support)

Rhyperior: Milotic and Kazam can beat this with surf and grass rope

Electivire: Flygon with earthquake, ice punch will be trouble so I'm hoping for Kazam to finish it

Heracross: Chan maybe with fire punch also Alakazam

Salamence: Flygon with rockslide and Hitmonchan with ice punch

Togekiss: Jolteon, Flygon, and Chan can beat it

Gengar: Alakazam

Garchomp: Hitmonchan with ice Punch and Milotic; Donphan with ice shard

Raikou: Flygon should rape it

Lucario: Chan and Flygon

Rampardos: Milotic, Hitmonchan, Flygon, and Alakazam

Tauros: Could be trouble, Chan with agility

Starmie: Most of my pokemon can take it

Weavile: Chan and Flygon

Dugtrio: Maybe Chan, Milotic, and Alakazam

Alakazam: Flygon’s U-turn and Alakazam could beat it

PorygonZ: Hitmonchan’s sky uppercut

Medicham: Alakazam’s shadow ball

Staraptor: Jolteon, Flygon, and Chan

Slowbro: Alakazam and Jolteon

Jolteon: Flygon definitely beats it unless it has hp ice

Aerodactyl: Jolteon

Snorlax: I hate this guy, I really only have Chan for him

Zapdos: Flygon, Chan, and Milotic

Blissey: Hitmonchan

Suicune: Alakazam, Jolteon, and Chan

Sceptile: Almost my whole team

Slaking: Hitmonchan

Ninjask: Most my team

Metagross: Chan maybe, Flygon, and Donphan

Celebi: Flygon’s u-turn to the rest of my team

Jirachi: Flygon, Chan

Manaphy: Electric moves

 

[CalmMind]

Milotic wants Rest and Sleep Talk over Light Screen and Recover.

 

[Violent Storm]

This thread is going to get closed as soon as someone gets up to look at it, there is no threat list for this team posted blah blah blah etc etc read the posting guidelines...

 

[Thunderhorse]

Baton passing to a Choice Bander? Maybe it's just me, but I see this as a really bad idea. CBers are usually meant to be hit-and-run Pokemon. If you make a wrong prediction or your opponent makes a right prediction (IE, switching in a ghost type on your Sky Uppercut), you're going to have to switch out, thus bringing you back to square one. It seems like too much of a hassle to keep doing this over and over again every time you want to send out Hitmonchan. But if you really want to stick with it, I feel that Thunder Wave and Agility are sort of redundant on one another. You could stand to replace one of them with Substitute if you wanted. I'm still not liking the idea of Baton Passing to a CBer though. Perhaps give Hitmonchan a Life orb instead (not like it's supposed to be taking hits in the first place)?

Everything else is pretty standard though. Can't give a comment on them. But lol on Hitmonchan needing more special defense support. If anything, it really needs Reflect more than Light Screen due to its piss poor defense...again, not like it should be taking hits in the first place with that measly 40-some base HP.

Please do include a threat list though. Not only is it against the rules not to have one, but having one really helps us (if not 'us', at least me) figure out where your team is lacking so that we can help you out more.

 

[Zenigame]

Hate it when people come in and their whole team is full of 252/ 252/ 6/. Mach Punch over Sky Uppercut. Why would you want TP and FP if skarm only needs to take one of those. SD over TP. What Brayels said w/ Leftovers.

 

[Misch]

Terrible weaknesses against the most common (or expected to be common :P) attackers and no unifying strategy. Don't see how that would work :/ .

Zenigame, why would Hitmonchan want Mach Punch over Sky Uppercut? Both get the bonus from Iron Fist and I don't really see the speed priority being so important.

 

[CT20]

Maybe you guys should try and easing the problem before, "I'm posting for +Post Count and telling that poster he sucks and should go read more".

Give Milotic Leftovers, its your best Answer to some common threats. Light Clay will not do shit.

Replace Chan with Medicham or Heracross, and it should work to an extent. Heracross can't be truly walled this gen, and giving him a decent set up for a sweep could prove to be effective. If you could get a S-Dancer on the team, alongside Agility from Jolteon, you might be able to pull it off. Although there are better things to set up, Marowak is always my favorite.

I like you for using Flygon.

300th Post!

 

[Footnote]

I agree that Baton Passing to a Choice Bander is probably not a good idea. Since you have four attacks on it and one is often going to be super-effective, I'd consider an Expert Belt instead. Also, I'd replace Sky Uppercut with Drain Punch. I'm assuming (though I could easily be wrong) that Drain Punch benefits from Iron Fist. With Hitmonchan's relatively low HP and new Trait, it seems like Drain Punch was practically invented for Hitmonchan.

Replace Chan with Medicham or Heracross, and it should work to an extent.

His whole team revolves around having Hitmonchan. Why would he replace him?

 

[Zathura]

Probably life orb on Hitmonchan. Also, Light Screen is probably not needed at all; thus also leftovers over light clay.

 

[Seph]

Why is it everybody's first post is a rmt? Do people register just to make a RMT??? About the team, others have said this as well, I also hate seeing teamsw/ just 252, 252, 6. Hitmonchan doesn't really belong in OU, try using medicham , heracross, or even machamp instead. You also dont have a phazer, meaning baton pass teams are going to walk all over you.

 

[BartTrunks]

Thank you everyone for the replies you've given so far. I know that Hitmonchan isn't that good, but I thought with Iron Fist and the elemetal punches he could a least do something in competetive play. I wouldn't mind using Lucario or Infernape in its place but I really would like make him work. I know the Ev spreads aren't great but I am new to this and have no idea how they should really look. This isn't a RMT. I just want help to be able to play at a competitive level. I didn't think phazers were important because people I play with don't even use baton pass or spikes. But since this game is going online there's gonna be a lot of that. I was thinking should replace dusknoir with an umbreon with wish and mean look to prevent u-turns and add to the teams healing. If I still decide to use chan I was thinking drain punch instead of sky uppercut to for accuracy and maybe a life orb or expert belt. Also what other hazers are there besides donphan? BTW, how good is rest and sleep talk on milotic? I wanted lightscreen to help everyones sp def, but maybe reflect would work.

 

[plasma]

Hazers?
Well, there's some that can use the move Haze, most notably Vaporeon and Weezing but Dragonite, Gengar, and some others can learn it by breeding if you really need it.
A hazer can also refer to someone who uses Roar or Whirlwind, and the list for that is <i>really</i> long so I won't bother.

 

[latinoheat]

No because umbreon is crap

But honestly your threat list is flawed and not to be a dick but some of your basics need work like your Baton passing speed to a cbander.

I think you need to look around at other rmts and discussions and even some of the old advance stuff.

When your posting stuff like this

Electivire: Flygon with earthquake unless it has ice punch

it says to me your not looking enough because every single vire that has been posted has carried ice punch, its basically the standard.

I don't want to be a dick but comparing and learning from what other people have tryed and posted is gonna prevent your rmts being locked

 

[Thunderhorse]

Umbreon I hear is generally not a good idea in D/P due to Taunt's upgrade (and I don't think it was recommended in ADV either because Taunt destroyed it even back then too). Gyarados and Tyranitar are both popular Taunters that can set up quite nicely on Umbreon without it doing anything at all to them due to bad attack stats, and both are expected to run rampant in D/P. Wish is generally a very good idea on a team, but you might want to look elsewhere.

Not to mention U-turn bypasses Mean Look I think, similar to how Baton Pass negates a trapping trait. Don't take my word on it though. There are better authorities on the subject than I, but just applying what I already know about BP and trapping, I see no reason to believe that this is any different.

Drain Punch on Hitmonchan I think will do pretty well in conjunction with Life Orb and increases Hitmonchan's otherwise lackluster staying power. Either item you brought to the table will be much better than CB when it comes to a Baton Pass recipient, as it won't force you to automatically switch out (and negate your pass) if you make a wrong move and gives you a chance to still strike back.

A Hazer by defenition is a Pokemon that can learn the attack "Haze". Donphan is not a Hazer, but rather a "Phazer" - a Pokemon that employs either Roar, Whirlwind or to a lesser extent Perish Song to force an unwanted switch on an opposing Pokemon, thus negating any stat boosts they would have gained in a similar fashion to Haze. That being said, any Pokemon that can learn primarily Roar, Whirlwind, Haze, or possibly Perish Song can serve as a Hazer/Phazer. Some of the most popular ones include Weezing, Steelix, Skarmory, Vaporeon, and some variations of Swampert and Suicune.

Milotic with a Restalking set works wonders in ADV since sleep activates Marvel Scale. However, with such high powered attacks being thrown around now and so many new threats that can set up and sweep while you're taking a nap, Rest in general is gaining a bad reputation among the D/P crowd, resulting in a de-popularization of Pokemon that needed Rest as their main form of recovery (Snorlax, Regice, Suicune ect.). I'm not exactly sure now viable any Restalk set is now, especially since you can give dangerous menaces like Garchomp or Infernape a free set-up if your Sleep Talk gets unlucky and lands at Rest. However, once again I'd be inclined to wait for the opinion of a more...veteran Smogon goer before making any concrete moves one way or another. I can't say with complete certainty whether Restalk Milotic will still be as viable in D/P as it was in ADV because I too have only started competative battling, but someone like Jumpman16 or Mekkah or Surgo - all of whom have spent much more time in the competative battling scene than I have - should have a much better idea on that.

 

[Synesthetic]

Lower defenses and make em weaker for chan

Screech Flygon forces switches for Flygon itself to take advantage of, with prediction. It doesn't work like Baton Pass.

Manaphy: Electric moves and Kazam’s grass rope

Grass Knot on Manaphy has 20 BP; Alakazam's Grass Knot deals 15-18% damage to Manaphy.

Edit:

Not to mention U-turn bypasses Mean Look I think, similar to how Baton Pass negates a trapping trait.

Yes, U-Turn negates Mean Look's trapping effect.

 

[CT20]

HP Electric might be nice on Milotic, which allows it to beat Gyarados who otherwise sets up on him.

I don't think Zam has enough Special Defense and HP to switch into a Schemed Psychic from Azelf anytime soon.

 

[BartTrunks]

Thanks again everyone, i replaced dusknoir with donphan to give me the phazer i needed. Hp electric sounds good on milotic, but im not really that great at breeding yet; ill definetly go for it though. Screeh was there so I can screech then somersault into chan. If they switch i get a free hit, and if they don't they'd pretty much die (or does their status return once Flygon leaves play). Im trying to think of what else I could fit on my team. I read the guides here, and I know it's impossible to fit everything (I'd like subpuching,xploders, status infliction, ect but then I'm losing sight of my teams purpose). I wouldn't mind some wish/meanlook/taunt support, but seeing how umbreon isn't viable for this what other pokemon are good for this spot? BTW, I still need help with the evs. I know that having 252/252/4 isn't good for everything, so does anyone have any suggestions? I don't mind if you're harsh just be honest, because I really do want a good team for competitive play.