XY UU First Ever Trick Room Team, Need Pointers!

[Sam White]

So recently i was scrolling through Pokemon I have never tried before and i saw Mega Abomasnow sitting there like, I've never been used. So he is the supposed "Star" of the team. I saw that he actually lost speed upon mega evolving so i decided to run a reuniclus along with him to run trick room and went from there. As of now, I am stuck between 1300 and 1400 on showdown and need helping breaking that boundary. As you observe and rate my team, you will initially see a very and slow and bulky team and think, what a stall team. But then you see not a single toxic on anyone. For better or for worse?

Team Building Process

• First I decided on Abomasnow, and decided trick room team. So i made Him quiet, make him slower plus not lower his attack so he can still take advantage of Ice Shard (Priority). I originally ran Ice Shard, Blizzard, Giga Drain and Synthesis, but through testing I decided on EQ over synthesis. I also run 248 hp (SR switch ins) and 8 att, max spa.
  
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• Next I needed someone to set up the trick room, and the perfect pokemon for that is reuniclus. I started with quiet as well, and ran max hp and spa but after seeing mienshao tear me apart, i decided to run max hp and defense, bold. As well, i originally ran sash (?) but when i went with the defensive spread, I chose the offensive item with LO, perfect with Magic Guard. Moveset has always been trick room, shadow ball (Victini, Cofagrigus), psychic (psyshock?), and focus blast. Wish i had recovery though on this set.
  
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• Since neither of my first 2 pokemon covered each others weaknesses, with the exception of Reu countering fighting, i needed a wall. I chose Tentacruel, as it covers a huge amount of Abomnasnows many weaknesses, steel, poison, ice, fire, fighting, AND bug. Plus, his weaknesses, mesh well as Abomasnow takes electric and ground hits, while Reuniclus counters psychic. His spread is common, max hp and spd, and i initially ran rapid spin, scald, sludge wave, and giga drain (swampert). Then i retracted as I HATE Forretress, so HP Fire, but reverted to original.
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• Now i needed a physical wall and when i looked over it, all of his weaknesses were covered by the duo of Abo and tenta. I chose Hippowdon, talk about controlling the weather!! he walls one of the biggest threats in UU in Victini, has recovery in slack off, and is such a tank. His spread is max hp and def but i am reconsidering and would like a suggestiuons. Recently there have been so many special infernapes and victinis that can 2HKO Hip, and that is terrible considering how slow he is. Stealth rocks, slack off, EQ, and Stone edge is the moveset.
  
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• So i have 2/3 of my team built, and only 1 physical attacker, which is bad as any well balanced team is split. So I want someone who will hit like a truck and work in a trick room team. The best out there, Mr. Hoodlum Scrafty. Scrafty is just too good to ignore. I decided to run Exp Belt (leftys?) and movie, with a brave nature and max hp and attack. i originally ran 4 attacking moves, Drain Punch, Ice Punch, Iron head, and Knock off, but decided to modify ice punch for bulk up, and iron head for detect (For HJK Mienshao, worth it?). Scrafty also counter 2/3 of Reu's weaknesses in dark and ghost, and EATS UP knock offs no problemo. 2/3 of his weaknesses are covered by reuniclus and tentacruel, but flying is still a devastating type out there with nothing to check it so..
  
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• I ran through my final options, and saw nothing. Needed a physical attacker, not too quick (Do I need any speed whatsoever?), and something that could check flying types. 2nd time, still nothing. 3rd time truly is the charm as i found eelektross. Eelektross, with levitate, gave me a ground immunity so Abo doesnt have to take all the EQs. After checking his stats, in which i inputted max hp and attack, brave, i decided to choice band him which seems to work well. I equipped him with U-turn (initiative and banded+type diversity=better than volt switch), Drain Punch (recovery and coverage), wild charge, and originally aqua tail for ground types, but when i got rid of HP Fire, i added fire punch instead. Eelektross, as well checks steel types, ground types and flying types, and answers back by OHKOing many of them.
  
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So...

Mega Abomasnow @ Abomasite
Snow Warning
"The Matrix"
248 Hp, 8 Att, 248 SpA Quiet 0 Speed Ivs
Blizzard
Giga Drain
EQ
Ice Shard

252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Blastoise: 242-288 (66.8 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage
252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Abomasnow: 282-334 (73.4 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - So with trick Room up, lives an Aura Sphere and takes down while replenishing HP against Mega Blastoise.

252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 242-288 (59.9 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
4 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Abomasnow: 38-45 (9.8 - 11.7%) -- possible 9HKO - So "The Matrix" handles my biggest thorn EVER, Crocune, easily. And Finally...

252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Krookodile: 366-432 (110.2 - 130.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Krookodile Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Abomasnow: 256-302 (66.6 - 78.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - So, even a SE move doesnt kill, and recovers and kills.

In recap, used correctly with the right supporting cast, Mega Abo can be a stud. That Priority is so nice, picking off sashes and weakened opponents. 100% accuracy STAB blizzards are nothing to scoff at as well, and add in coverage with giga drain and EQ, you have a monster. Sure lots of weaknesses, but he aint the only one. I mean, some of this biggest threats in OU like Keldeo have 5 weaknesses. Sure, Mega Abo has 7 (?) but keldeo is still one of the best in the game.

Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Magic Guard
"Jelly Belly"
252 Hp 252 Def 4 SpA Bold 0 Att Ivs 0 Speed Ivs
Psychic (Psyshock?)
Shadow Ball (Calm Mind/Recover?)
Focus Blast (Calm Mind/Recover?)
Trick Room

4 SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Crobat: 369-437 (118.6 - 140.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Crobat Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 133-157 (31.3 - 37%) -- 79.1% chance to 3HKO - Goodbye Annoying pest

252 Atk Life Orb Mienshao Fake Out vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 48-57 (11.3 - 13.4%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Mienshao Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 234-276 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Mienshao U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 169-200 (39.8 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mienshao: 463-546 (170.8 - 201.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Huge threat can become decapitated, if played correctly, recovery would be useful?

252+ Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 348-411 (82 - 96.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 182-216 (53.3 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - With trick room up, The King of UU is a goner.

Reu is a very cool pokemon, and its ability is very, very helpful. With hazards a main stray in the competitive game today, he doesnt have to care about them whatsoever. As well, any burn or toxic he can take and that means no residual damage from anything!! The main problem with this pokemon is not enough move slots. So in this regard, I am not sure at all which moves i should run and which moves i shouldnt! Because he gets recover, but should i run it? Should i run calm mind? I just dont know. But Reu is a straight beast.

Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Liquid Ooze
"Nice2CUAgain"
252 Hp 252 SpD 4 SpA Calm 0 Att Ivs
Scald
Sludge Wave
Giga Drain
Rapid Spin

252 SpA Alakazam Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tentacruel: 192-228 (52.7 - 62.6%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Rotom-H Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tentacruel: 162-192 (44.5 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Roserade Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tentacruel: 110-130 (30.2 - 35.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tentacruel: 242-283 (66.4 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge
252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tentacruel: 132-156 (36.2 - 42.8%) -- 96.3% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery - So in other words, Tentacruel can EAT any special move (outside of psyshock). HITS FA DAYZ

In overview, Tentacruel is a stud muffin. I dont understand why it isnt used more. It has many resistances and only a few weaknesses (2/3 are mainly special moves as well). Tenta has perfect chemistry with this team and the only thing holding it back is that it has a lack of recovery. I wanted to run a rest set but then i no longer have dual stab, as i need to carry rapid spin, but i guess it is an option, what say you?

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Sand Stream
"SandyBallz" or "ComesDaBOOM"
252 Hp 252 Def 4 Att Relaxed 0 Speed Ivs
EQ
Stone Edge
Slack Off
Stealth Rocks

252 Atk Infernape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 109-129 (25.9 - 30.7%) -- 2.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 318-374 (108.5 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Threat, gone.

252+ Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 250-300 (59.5 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 172-204 (40.9 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darmanitan: 386-456 (109.9 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Nice and Eated

252+ Atk Choice Band Swampert Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 246-290 (58.5 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 123-145 (29.2 - 34.5%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery - He eats it UHP!

Soo Hippowdon is a Physical stud, no doubt. Sure he gets popped by a special hit (See EV Spread Change?) but he eats physical hits no problem, and then just shrugs it off by slacking it off. He also cripples threats such as Victini and Chandelure by setting up his rocks. Plus, when I lead with it and the EQ is either SE or super obvious, i can go for Stone Edge and catch the incoming Crobat or Aerodactyl.

Scrafty @ Expert Belt
Moxie
"SweepIncomin"
252 Hp 252 Att 4 SpD Brave 0 Speed Ivs
Drain Punch
Knock Off
Detect
Bulk Up

252+ Atk Scrafty Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scrafty: 186-222 (55.6 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Expert Belt Scrafty Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scrafty: 223-266 (82.2 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - Killing my own kind with trick room or not.

4 SpA Empoleon Scald vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Scrafty: 84-100 (25.1 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Expert Belt Scrafty Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 281-331 (75.5 - 88.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - Just please dont burn me.

252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scrafty: 238-282 (71.2 - 84.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Scrafty Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darmanitan: 219-258 (62.3 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Scrafty Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darmanitan: 169-201 (48.1 - 57.2%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO - Eats it and deals heavy damage even though he isnt defensive but offensive.

Shiny Scrafty is one of my favorite pokemon, competitive and design wise. He can set up, take hits, sweep teams, or even stall with rest+shed skin. On this team, at the end of the game, set up a Trick Room with Reu, come back in with Scrafty, moxie boost, GG. He is that powerful. Plus, he is more than capable of taking hits if need be. The main problem with Scrafty is the WoWs and toxics. Should i run Lum over Exp Belt? I am just not sure.

Eelektross @ Choice Band
Levitate
"GreenLanturn"
252 Hp 252 Att 4 SpD Brave 0 Speed Ivs
Wild Charge
Drain Punch
Fire Punch
U-Turn

252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eelektross: 324-382 (86.6 - 102.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO - Closely live it, and...
252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darmanitan: 358-423 (101.9 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO - And Kill it.

252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross U-turn vs. 252 HP / 220+ Def Celebi: 340-404 (84.1 - 100%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock - Nice and dead
252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 304-358 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock - Bye Bye
252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 300-354 (76.1 - 89.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock - Wall no more
252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 372-440 (94.4 - 111.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock - Sweeep

4 Atk Snorlax Body Slam vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eelektross: 120-142 (32 - 37.9%) -- 94.6% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 350-414 (66.7 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers - parahacks no more

This thing is just so so SO underrated. Hitting like a truck is an UNDERSTATEMENT. Like this thing literally is a wall breaker. With trick room up, he can sweep. Honestly, the only thing that can kill him is himself from recoil. I mean if you see a Swampert lurking while you are in, U-turn, and get off a clean 26% with initiative. But this thing can also eat brave birds, iron heads, and EQs. Plus you cannot parahacks this guys. ANother thing about Eel, he has great type coverage. He can almost anything super hard. I mean just look at this calc! "252+ Atk Choice Band Eelektross Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 123-145 (38.4 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery" - You may say, oh a 3HKO, but on a pokemon with 145 base defense, fully invested, is nothing to scoff at.

This team is no means perfect. And that is why I am posting it on here. I would like suggestions to help me get over the hump. Do i need a florges, to heal bell and wish? Do I need a noivern or jolteon, as you need some instance of speed on a trick room team? I dont know as this is my first ever. Decently successful but not good enough yet. This team is 100% on this inspiration of Mega Abo. Help and Suggestions appreciated. Thank You for your time.​

 

[Sam White]

And in an effort to clean up the team building process, how does everyone else use the show hide boxes? i dont understand how as well as using the animated pokemon like my profile picture?

 

[Mareth]

At the moment I'm not able to provide you with a complete review, but one flaw I see right off the bat is that you only have one TR setter. If Reuniclus goes down, then your whole team is at a disadvantage because of speed. I would consider adding two more setters so you'll always have a way of setting it up. Also, if you have the time, I would recommend reading this guide in order to receive some basic pointers regarding Trick Room teams.

 

[Hailshine]

And in an effort to clean up the team building process, how does everyone else use the show hide boxes? i dont understand how as well as using the animated pokemon like my profile picture?

This is where you can get the animated sprites, just search "art: pokemon" and then copy/paste the bb code.

In order to do the show hide button, you have to type [hide ='name of box'] then [ /hide] at the end without spaces.

However, you haven't listed any of the Abilities. Do that, it'll help.

In reference to the team, there are a few suggestions I'd like to make, being an avid Trick Roomer myself.

• None of your Pokemon seem to run 0 Speed IVs. This is a problem, because in Trick Room, you want to be as 'fast' as possible, and your Pokemon become even slower with 0 Speed IVs.
• As earlier mentioned, you need to add (at least) one more Trick Roomer. You're going to be absolutely screwed if you don't.
• Expert Belt Scrafty is bad. I'm sorry, but it's true. Instead, you should run an Assault Vest Scrafty. Here's the set I run on all of my Trick Room teams (and I do mean all of them, Scrafty is mah boy):
  Assault Vest Scrafty

  Scrafty @ Assault Vest
  Ability: Intimidate
  EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
  Brave Nature
  IVs: 0 Spe
  - Crunch
  - Drain Punch
  - Ice Punch
  - Knock Off

Really, though, in order to rate more completely, we need all the info.

Also, Trick Room generally works better in Doubles.

 

[Sam White]

This is where you can get the animated sprites, just search "art: pokemon" and then copy/paste the bb code.

In order to do the show hide button, you have to type [hide ='name of box'] then [ /hide] at the end without spaces.

However, you haven't listed any of the Abilities. Do that, it'll help.

In reference to the team, there are a few suggestions I'd like to make, being an avid Trick Roomer myself.

• None of your Pokemon seem to run 0 Speed IVs. This is a problem, because in Trick Room, you want to be as 'fast' as possible, and your Pokemon become even slower with 0 Speed IVs.
• As earlier mentioned, you need to add (at least) one more Trick Roomer. You're going to be absolutely screwed if you don't.
• Expert Belt Scrafty is bad. I'm sorry, but it's true. Instead, you should run an Assault Vest Scrafty. Here's the set I run on all of my Trick Room teams (and I do mean all of them, Scrafty is mah boy):
  Assault Vest Scrafty

  Scrafty @ Assault Vest
  Ability: Intimidate
  EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
  Brave Nature
  IVs: 0 Spe
  - Crunch
  - Drain Punch
  - Ice Punch
  - Knock Off

Really, though, in order to rate more completely, we need all the info.

Also, Trick Room generally works better in Doubles.

I dont think i will be running an assualt vest scrafty as then i must have 4 attacking moves. I can deal with removing Bulk Up. But detect is actually vital to this team to deal with HJK Mienshao or to scout in general. So instead would you suggest i run Lum? I think that would be best as i hate burns and toxics

 

[Hailshine]

I dont think i will be running an assualt vest scrafty as then i must have 4 attacking moves. I can deal with removing Bulk Up. But detect is actually vital to this team to deal with HJK Mienshao or to scout in general. So instead would you suggest i run Lum? I think that would be best as i hate burns and toxics

Well, if at all you do keep it, yes, run an Intimidate Lum Berry Scrafty. Also, Protect is way better than Detect due to more PP. Definitely switch that.

 

[Sam White]

Well, if at all you do keep it, yes, run an Intimidate Lum Berry Scrafty. Also, Protect is way better than Detect due to more PP. Definitely switch that.

What are other viable TR setters? Reu is the only one I know of.

 

[Celever]

What are other viable TR setters? Reu is the only one I know of.

Just do "/dexsearch Trick Room, UU, all" if you want more Trick Room setters in the tier on showdown. The result is this:
"Alakazam, Azelf, Celebi, Chandelure, Gothitelle, Jirachi, Mew, Porygon-Z, Porygon2, Slowbro, Starmie, Trevenant, Victini"
Of these, the only Pokémon you should dream of using Trick Room on are Chandelure, Porygon2, Slowbro and Trevenant as the rest of them are all very fact and would be too heavily effected by Trick Room. I would suggest running Porygon2 myself (you also only need 2 Trick Room setters on any Trick Room team; 3 is almost always overkill and limits your playing heavily) however I don't have a set as I don't actually play XY UU. However the basics of a Trick Room team carry over between tiers, so my advice isn't bad! :p

 

[Hailshine]

There are basically two types of Trick Room setters: Offensive and Defensive.

Offensive

These folks can get a Trick Room up, then continue on to severely dent a majority of the metagame.

Defensive

Basically, if the entire game focused on Trick Room, Cresselia would be Ubers. Recovery, Status, and ridiculous defenses combo to create one tricky bastard.

 

[Sam White]

There are basically two types of Trick Room setters: Offensive and Defensive.

Offensive

These folks can get a Trick Room up, then continue on to severely dent a majority of the metagame.

Defensive

Basically, if the entire game focused on Trick Room, Cresselia would be Ubers. Recovery, Status, and ridiculous defenses combo to create one tricky bastard.

I think i have a plan. Take Slowbro for Hippowdon, and make it my defensive wall. Then i will take Nidoqueen for Tentacruel keeping most of my resistances and immunities intact.

 

[Hailshine]

That sounds like a solid plan, but I'd use Empoleon over Nidoqueen for better bulk overall and a better defensive typing. Your call, of course.

 

[Sam White]

That sounds like a solid plan, but I'd use Empoleon over Nidoqueen for better bulk overall and a better defensive typing. Your call, of course.

Only reason for nidoqueen is 2 water types for core and then bolt strike victini could 6-0 me. Nidoqueen would come in and force the switch. Only downside is i cant get rid of rocks. Running rest-talk with black sludge for recovery with poison jab and EQ (3 Phy and 3 Spe attackers)

 

[Hailshine]

If Bolt Strike Victini is what's getting you down, look no further than Swampert! He's a great tank with access to even tankier moves, such as Curse and Barrier, or he can be a phazer with Roar! That gives you your Electric immunity and a much better typing.