ORAS Ubers First ever Ubers team

Would you use this team?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 42.9%

  • No

    Votes: 9 64.3%
  • Total voters
    14

Afro14ajaja

Hey everyone! I've been playing in OU for years but never really ventured out of it much. I've played a bit of LC, UU and RU and that's about it. This is the first time I've made a competitive Ubers team and would really appreciate it if you all could help me out.

TEAM AT A GLANCE:
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IN DEPTH:


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Xerneas @ Power Herb
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 184 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Geomancy
- Moonblast
- Thunder
- Substitute

Xerneas acts as my wincon. It has a standard set. I use it for late game sweeping. Moonblast is because it gets ridiculously powerful after a geomancy boost combined with Fairy Aura. Thunder is for coverage and to utilise the rain when facing Kyogre. Substitute helps me avoid status and being revenge killed.

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Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head

After realising how big off a monster Xerneas is I decided that I needed a counter for opposing ones. Aegislash can take any hit from a geomancy boosted Xerneas and hit really hard with iron head. Shadow Sneak is there to finish off weakened pokemon, especially Xerneas'. King's Shield allows me to rack up lefties recovery and at the same time reducing opposition attack stat, which allows me to set up with ease. I replaced Zekrom with this.



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Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Taunt
- Destiny Bond
- Sludge Wave
- Protect

Gengar is great as it traps and kills pokemon which counter Xerneas and allows it to sweep. The volturn combo allows it to come in fairly easily. Taunt for stall breaking purposes and Destiny Bond to take down pokemon which Gengar would usually not be able to. Sludge Wave as an excellent stab and focus blast to deal with steel types.



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Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Lava Plume
- Rock Slide

Primal Groudon is my rock setter and acts as a secondary check/counter to Xerneas. Earthquake acts as a powerful stab that usually 2HKOES Xerneas or bring it down to the range of a Shadow Sneak KO from either Aegislash or Giratina. Lava Plume acts as a secondary stab but its main purpose is to spread status to a certain extent as a lack somebody that can do that. Rock Slide helps form a quakedge combo. I am wondering whether or not to replace rock slide with toxic. Any help regarding that would be much appreciated. I replaced Magnezone for this guy.

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Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 208 Atk / 52 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Sacred Fire
- Earthquake
- Sleep Talk

I replaced Ylveltal for this. This guy is purely there for punching holes in the opposition so Xerneas can come in and sweep. Sacred Fire gives me high chance of burning mons if not out right OHKOing them. Brave Bird as a secondary stab with Earthquake for coverage. Sleep Talk helps with the lack of a Darkrai check.

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Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spe
Timid Nature
- Judgment
- Recover
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp

This was my replacement for Giratina. I knew that since I was running Ho-Oh, I needed a reliable defogger. Arceus not only does that but also acts as this teams physical wall while Pdon maintains the special side. His task is made easier as he has access to Will-O-Wisp. Judgement is there for weakening pokemon or taken out weakened mons and also so that I am not taunt bait. Recover is useful in letting me repeat the same process multiple times.

Well, that's it. Please replace any pokemon, moves or sets you wish. I hope it's not too bad. Thanks in advance! Sorry about all the changes!

Here are some replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-227206515
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-227056606
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-227010161
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Hey there, im just using this as a placeholder for a full rate later on, but I do see some things that could be optimized/changed.

How much do you really want Zekrom and Magnezone on your team? I've never been a fan of Magnezone in Ubers, and I think Zekrom should be replaced or at least have a set change to Tailwind Zek, which is really the most usable set.
Just reminders for me rn :P
 
8-BIT Luster said:
Hey there, im just using this as a placeholder for a full rate later on, but I do see some things that could be optimized/changed.

How much do you really want Zekrom and Magnezone on your team? I've never been a fan of Magnezone in Ubers, and I think Zekrom should be replaced or at least have a set change to Tailwind Zek, which is really the most usable set.
Just reminders for me rn :P
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Hey there. Thanks so much for the help! I've replaced magnezone with Primal Groudon and it has been working wonders. Tbh Zekrom has been helping me out a lot. I'll post some replays showing that in a bit. But if you do think something else is better please do let me know and please give a set as well. Thanks again!
 
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8-BIT Luster said:
Hey there, im just using this as a placeholder for a full rate later on, but I do see some things that could be optimized/changed.

How much do you really want Zekrom and Magnezone on your team? I've never been a fan of Magnezone in Ubers, and I think Zekrom should be replaced or at least have a set change to Tailwind Zek, which is really the most usable set.
Just reminders for me rn :P
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Sorry to bother you again, I've made a few changes to my original team. Aegislash over Zekrom and Primal Groudon over Magnezone.
 
I think the changes are good, but i would change Aegislash's set. Swords dance Aegi isn't that great in Ubers, and there's pretty much one viable set: SDef Aegislash.

Aegislash@Leftovers
Sassy| 248 HP/8 Def/252SDef|0 Speed IVs
+King's Shield
+Toxic
+Pursuit
+Gyro Ball

This set allows you to hit xern for as hard as possible with Gyro Ball, OHKOing it 100% of the time if I recall correctly (After Xerneas boosts,) King's Shield is for obvious reasons, Toxic is just to status stuff, and Pursuit traps things like the Lati twins. You could keep Shadow Sneak over Pursuit if you want, but Pursuit is generally better.
 
Hey buddy, nice team but I see a few things that could be tweaked in order to improve it starting off with Xerneas. I see why you have substitute on your Xerneas but I think you should consider changing that slot into something more useful, such as Aromatherapy or Focus blast. Aromatherapy gets rid of status which is something Xerneas hates and Focus blast hits opposing Groudon's and Ferrothorn who are two mons that can completely stop Xern's sweep and cripple it with T-Wave. Thunder doesn't touch Groudon(Also known as PDon) and doesn't do too much to ferrothorn. Here are some calcs for you:

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 86-101 (24.4 - 28.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 148-175 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 177-208 (43.8 - 51.4%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO

As you can see, you will not be able to get past these two Pokemon without a lot of prior damage. Now here's what focus blast does:

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 223-263 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 374-442 (106.2 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

That's a huge difference. Here's the set I suggest:

Xerneas @ Power Herb
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 184 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Moonblast
- Thunder
- Geomancy
- Focus Blast/Aromatherapy

Now onto Aegislash. Considering that you're using Aegislash as a GeoXern switch in, you might want it to be spdef. Some Xern's carry Hidden Power Fire which will 2HKO your current set.

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 204-242 (62.9 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

And if you switch it directly into Xern, Aegislash will fall without getting any damage off. Try this set:


Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Atk
Sassy Nature
- Pursuit
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head

This set is great because it's a more reliable Xerneas check and can switch into a Draco from the Latis and Pursuit them for huge damage.

Now onto my last suggestion, It's pretty simple. I understand why you have Rock slide on PDon, to hit Ho-Oh on the switch but Thunder Wave will much more useful. It can slow down Mega Mence and Xerneas which will, in theory, prevent them from sweeping. That's all I have for you as of now. If I think of anything else I'll let you know!
 
8-BIT Luster said:
I think the changes are good, but i would change Aegislash's set. Swords dance Aegi isn't that great in Ubers, and there's pretty much one viable set: SDef Aegislash.

Aegislash@Leftovers
Sassy| 248 HP/8 Def/252SDef|0 Speed IVs
+King's Shield
+Toxic
+Pursuit
+Gyro Ball

This set allows you to hit xern for as hard as possible with Gyro Ball, OHKOing it 100% of the time if I recall correctly (After Xerneas boosts,) King's Shield is for obvious reasons, Toxic is just to status stuff, and Pursuit traps things like the Lati twins. You could keep Shadow Sneak over Pursuit if you want, but Pursuit is generally better.
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Thanks a lot! That makes perfect sense actually. I'll try this set out.
 
Pure Demize said:
Hey buddy, nice team but I see a few things that could be tweaked in order to improve it starting off with Xerneas. I see why you have substitute on your Xerneas but I think you should consider changing that slot into something more useful, such as Aromatherapy or Focus blast. Aromatherapy gets rid of status which is something Xerneas hates and Focus blast hits opposing Groudon's and Ferrothorn who are two mons that can completely stop Xern's sweep and cripple it with T-Wave. Thunder doesn't touch Groudon(Also known as PDon) and doesn't do too much to ferrothorn. Here are some calcs for you:

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 86-101 (24.4 - 28.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 148-175 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 177-208 (43.8 - 51.4%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO

As you can see, you will not be able to get past these two Pokemon without a lot of prior damage. Now here's what focus blast does:

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 223-263 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 374-442 (106.2 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

That's a huge difference. Here's the set I suggest:

Xerneas @ Power Herb
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 184 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Moonblast
- Thunder
- Geomancy
- Focus Blast/Aromatherapy

Now onto Aegislash. Considering that you're using Aegislash as a GeoXern switch in, you might want it to be spdef. Some Xern's carry Hidden Power Fire which will 2HKO your current set.

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 204-242 (62.9 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

And if you switch it directly into Xern, Aegislash will fall without getting any damage off. Try this set:


Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Atk
Sassy Nature
- Pursuit
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head

This set is great because it's a more reliable Xerneas check and can switch into a Draco from the Latis and Pursuit them for huge damage.

Now onto my last suggestion, It's pretty simple. I understand why you have Rock slide on PDon, to hit Ho-Oh on the switch but Thunder Wave will much more useful. It can slow down Mega Mence and Xerneas which will, in theory, prevent them from sweeping. That's all I have for you as of now. If I think of anything else I'll let you know!
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Thanks for the rate! The thing is I've just been experimenting with this team so much so that I've changed a few mons and move sets again :P Ylveltal is gone for Ho-Oh and Giratina for Arceus-Ghost. Also, I run grass knot on Xern for Pdon and hidden power fire for steel types like ferro, which is a guaranteed OHKO. I hate Focus Blast's accuracy :P I've also replaced rock slide for t wave.

The thing is, Ho-oh gives this team a lot of trouble so I was thinking of speed creeping it by adding 4evs to speed on Groudon as all the common Ho-Oh sets have no speed investment. Then I'll hit it with rockslide, which I'll replace for lava plume. Do you think that's a good idea?

Thanks again! I'll try the aegi set for sure.
 
Afro14ajaja said:
Thanks for the rate! The thing is I've just been experimenting with this team so much so that I've changed a few mons and move sets again :P Ylveltal is gone for Ho-Oh and Giratina for Arceus-Ghost. Also, I run grass knot on Xern for Pdon and hidden power fire for steel types like ferro, which is a guaranteed OHKO. I hate Focus Blast's accuracy :P I've also replaced rock slide for t wave.

The thing is, Ho-oh gives this team a lot of trouble so I was thinking of speed creeping it by adding 4evs to speed on Groudon as all the common Ho-Oh sets have no speed investment. Then I'll hit it with rockslide, which I'll replace for lava plume. Do you think that's a good idea?

Thanks again! I'll try the aegi set for sure.
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Most ho-oh run speed, I can't see you ever outspeeding an offensive ho-oh with a defensive groudon realistically
 
Ok so this team is really nice. My main suggestion would be to run Focus Blast over Substitute on GeoXern. This will give you a lot more coverage since it is one of your sweepers.
 
Joetaku said:
Ok so this team is really nice. My main suggestion would be to run Focus Blast over Substitute on GeoXern. This will give you a lot more coverage since it is one of your sweepers.
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I am really really sorry for the late reply! Focus Blast does work but what I've done is changed substitute and thunder for Grass Knot and HP Fire. Thanks for the help. Sorry!
 
Hey Afro14ajaja,

This team is okay, but there are a few important flaws which hold it back. The team is extremely weak to Ho-Oh, as it can come in for free on Aegislash and Ghost Arceus, then proceed to pretty much get a KO on something since you don't really have an answer to it. You are weak to Primal Groudon, as you lack solid answers to it as well. You also have a weakness to Primal Kyogre, as Primal Groudon is easily worn down and you lose a Pokemon every time Primal Kyogre comes in on Primal Groudon. You are also weak to Ghost- and Dark-types in general, especially Yveltal, a problem which mostly stems from having three Ghost-types and only a weak resist to Dark in Geomancy Xerneas.

The first suggestion I have is to use Mega Salamence over Mega Gengar. Mega Gengar is kind of an odd fit on a build like this and really only compacts weaknesses, while Mega Salamence can help you check Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon. Secondly, Aegislash doesn't add too much to your build as it is largely redundant with other Pokemon, so I would recommend using Ferrothorn over this. Ferrothorn offers a check to Primal Kyogre, and is not as weak to Yveltal as Aegislash. With these changes, you are probably still a bit weak to Yveltal but it should be manageable. As for sets, I would run bulky Dragon Dance Mega Salamence because I think it synergizes well with Ho-Oh and Xerneas on this team.

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 Spe
Impish Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Roost
- Refresh
- Return / Frustration

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Spikes
- Gyro Ball / Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Good luck!

edit: @below, I don't think you are too weak to Geomancy Xerneas at all, as between Ferrothorn, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh, you have a number of checks. However, I meant to say that I think your Primal Groudon set can be optimized- a spread of 248 HP / 56 Def / 204 SpD with a Relaxed nature would work, though most importantly I would opt for Thunder Wave or Roar to beat Geomancy Xerneas over Lava Plume (you have Ho-Oh to roast Steel-types anyways). Sorry for remembering this a bit late. That said, Ferrothorn is better here almost certainly.
 
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haxiom said:
Hey Afro14ajaja,

This team is okay, but there are a few important flaws which hold it back. The team is extremely weak to Ho-Oh, as it can come in for free on Aegislash and Ghost Arceus, then proceed to pretty much get a KO on something since you don't really have an answer to it. You are weak to Primal Groudon, as you lack solid answers to it as well. You also have a weakness to Primal Kyogre, as Primal Groudon is easily worn down and you lose a Pokemon every time Primal Kyogre comes in on Primal Groudon. You are also weak to Ghost- and Dark-types in general, especially Yveltal, a problem which mostly stems from having three Ghost-types and only a weak resist to Dark in Geomancy Xerneas.

The first suggestion I have is to use Mega Salamence over Mega Gengar. Mega Gengar is kind of an odd fit on a build like this and really only compacts weaknesses, while Mega Salamence can help you check Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon. Secondly, Aegislash doesn't add too much to your build as it is largely redundant with other Pokemon, so I would recommend using Ferrothorn over this. Ferrothorn offers a check to Primal Kyogre, and is not as weak to Yveltal as Aegislash. With these changes, you are probably still a bit weak to Yveltal but it should be manageable. As for sets, I would run bulky Dragon Dance Mega Salamence because I think it synergizes well with Ho-Oh and Xerneas on this team.

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 Spe
Impish Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Roost
- Refresh
- Return / Frustration

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Spikes
- Gyro Ball / Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Good luck!
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Thank you some much for all the advice. I agree with the massive Ho-oh weakness so I'll definitely try Mega mence out. However, replacing Aegi gets rid of my only way of consistently stopping GeoXern. Ferro does well but gets KOed by hp fire and focus blast, which Aegi can survive. Then again, I still have the Kyogre weakness :P Would you still suggest that I should replace Aegi for ferro? Thanks again! So far the team has performed decently, going up to 167 in the ladder.
 
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