First RMT on Smogon(Marriland lacks good raters)

GaryMayhem

I hardly venture into Smogon, but Marriland lacks good opinions in the Strategy forum. So since I've read good reviews here I hope to receive some as well. Constructive criticism is really appreciated.

This team has no real goal, other than eliminate pesky walls and not reveal scarfchomp until the very end where he can sweep. So far this team is 19-1 on shoddy.

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Mao Zedong
Bronzong with Lum Berry
Sassy / Levitate
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Hypnosis
EV's: 252 HP 128 Def 128 SP Def
-- I went with a different ev spread because I have so much attacking threats that the only real goal of Bronzong is to set rocks and be a pesky wall to deal with. With Lum Berry I'm pretty much guaranteed to set up rocks and have one of their pokes asleep, which is quite the big advantage.

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Stalin
Blissey with leftovers
Bold / Natural Cure
- Thunderwave
- Softboiled
- Flamethrower(Heatran already covers this so I need to replace it..)
- Seismic Toss
EV's: 148 HP / 252 Def / 108 SpA
-- To be honest, this is the first time I've used Blissey, I hardly use her. To be even more honest, I hardly ever use a special wall because I rely a lot on prediction and type coverage resistance on my team. This Bliss is pretty standard.

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Colossus
Gyarados with Leftovers
Adamant / Intimidate
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
EV's: 100 HP 252 Atk 158 spd
-- Simple DD and sweep, but not in the beginning of course. I love seeing people switch in a scarfed gengar thinking I would DD then boom they get hit with waterfall and they go off to a corner crying.

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Diablo
Heatran with Life Orb
Modest / Flash Fire
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Hidden Power Ice
EV's: 20 HP / 252 SpA / 236 Spe
-- I get sick of seeing Bronzong... even though I use him. But I bring out Heatran to deal with them later in the game, I tend to predict the switch and go with Earth Power to hurt something or even go to Hera predicting the blissey to come out. He is a huge part of this team as he removes anything that might stop Draco.

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64-Palms
Heracross with Life Orb
Adamant / Guts
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Sleep Talk
EV's: 252 atk 252 spd 6 hp
-- This is quite the unusual set but I've had him come in on a weak bronzong's to put him asleep and then get killed or his counter killed. Same thinking with those scarfgars throwing out the speedy hypnosis.

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Draco
Garchomp with Choice Scarf
Adamant / Sand Veil
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Crunch
EV's: 252 atk 200 spd 58 sp def
-- Very awkward set and spread, I know, but he has proven to be helpful numerous times when I must reveal him earlier in the game on a weak blissey or a lucario trying to set up. By this time in the game forry and skarm are dead and something is going to take a hard hit.


Threat list:

Azelf: Blissey comes in t waves, or heatran to come in and make a heavy blow on the there switch.

Infernape: Depends on who is out, if it comes in a bronzong early in the match I'll bring out heatran, if it is later in the game I'll bring gyarados.

Gyarados: Heracross if the guy things I'm banded and stuck on close combat(lol you'd be suprise how many times people overlook that he took life orb damage) then if Gyara sets up DD Chomp has to come in and Outrage.

Tyranitar: Boah means I have to figure out whether it is flamethrower or tbolt then I'll bring hera or gyara.

Lucario: Gyara takes it easy, or Zong.

Salamence: Again I have to figure out what it is, if it's a mix then I'm forced to bring in chomps to scare it away.

Garchomp: Bronzong, if zong is out then Chomp has to come out.

Weavile: Gyarados.

Metagross: Gyarados on the switch in to see if it has Thunderpunch, either way Zong will deal with it.

Heracross: Bronzong to see what kind it is then I'll bring in Gyara to force a switch.

Gengar: Blissey to t wave and then if focus blasts then I'll bring in zong to gyro ball it.

Heatran: Blissey..

Yanmega: Heatran lulz

Starmie: Blissey

Breloom: Gyara on the switch to intimidate the zong to mess with it.

Machamp: Zong.

I'm sure I'm missing someone else but feel free to mention it.
 
GaryMayhem said:
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Draco
Garchomp with Choice Scarf
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Brick Break
EV's: 252 atk 200 spd 58 sp def
-- Very awkward set and spread, I know, but he has proven to be helpful numerous times when I must reveal him earlier in the game on a weak blissey or a lucario trying to set up. By this time in the game forry and skarm are dead and something is going to take a hard hit.
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You do understand that even when Brick Break is super effective that it has the same power as EQ, don't you?
 
I'd probaly run Surf / Toxic. Both of them let you screw switchins such as Gliscor and Hippowdon. Why don't you make Gyarados more offensive and make the EVs 252 Atk / 232 Spd / 24 HP? I'd make either Gyarados or Hetaran a RestTalker. I personally don't like your MixMence weakness. That's another reason to make one of the two a RestTalker.
 
I've already considered toxic and surf.. Toxic would be useless since I don't want to bring out garchomp until the end and once all steels and walls are gone.

mixmence hasn't been a problem yet, I've encountered two with this team and blissey will t wave it then heatran or hera come in and finish it off.
 
First of all, you need to put natures on your pokemon. In many cases the nature plays a large role in the pokemon's function. Heatran should be modest, Hera adamant or Jolly, and Garchomp adamant.

Using a unique EV spread on Bronzong is fine, but be sure to use all you're EV's! You have only used 488 =P

Ice Beam over flamethrower on Bliss, Since it generally hits the grounds immune to T-wave for super effective damage.

If you want to score some surprise KO's after a DD, you should try 232 Speed EV's on Gyara. This will outrun anything up to 125 base speed (without a scarf, obviously) after a single DD, notable beating Starmie, Raikou, and Scarf Heatran. If Starmie tries to come in with a little residual damage, you can slam her with an unexpected earthquake.

I don't understand the fascination with giving sweepers slightly less that 252 speed. It's just asking to be outsped in a mirror match, especially on a pokemon like heatran, who is both common and loves to switch into copies of itself. I guarantee you heatran will survive more frequently with 252 speed than with 16 extra EV points in HP, a whopping total of 4 actual HP.

In addition, having both Dragon Pulse and HP Ice is redundant. Explosion is really the best option for replacement in that slot; however another option would be to make heatran a rest/talker and give Heracross Swords Dance over sleep talk. I know it may seem odd, but the LO Rest/Talker Heatran set is absolutely brutal against stallish teams.

As was already mentioned, Brick Break is pretty much useless on Garchomp. Crunch is a decent option if you think Gengar/Cress will be coming in, but you don't want to be locked into outrage; Stone Edge hits harder than outrage on fliers, though the 20% miss rate is annoying; Dragon Claw is actually a decent option if you want a strong hit to test your opponent's team early game.

Good Luck; Hope this Helps! --TAY
 
Haha, made this rmt fast and forgot to put natures on the last three. How embarrassing.

Yeah I guess Ice beam is good for now. I will put crunch on chomps though.
 
try explosion over dragon pulse/hp ice both together are kinda redundant.I would keep chomp scarfed because the rest of your team is very vulnerable to SD Infernape, outspeeding for a revenge kill atleast helps.
 
Abilities?

This team could appreciate a Wish passing Blissey since none of your pokemon have a recovery move. I'll do a full rate when this thread is fixed.
 
Need a Wish passer the residual Life Orb, SR, Sand Storm damage will add up, especially with Blissey being the only one who can recover her health. Otherwise your pokemon will be worn down and no longer able to take hits much less wall anything. I guess you should change Blissey to Wish/Protect/Ice Beam/Seismic Toss or T-Wave.

I could see Gliscor walling the crap out of this team, once your Gyarados and Heatran go down he can go on a fucking blitzkrieg.

Personally I would use Aqua Tail on Gyarados for the extra power but it's just personal preference I suppose.

Really not liking that Garchomp, the merits of Yache out weigh the loss of speed. However if you insist on keeping it scarfed I would use Dragon Claw or Stone Edge over Crunch, having Zapdos coverage is key.

I'd also like to know how you get past Swampert, because I just don't see it.
 
Gliscor is something I haven't ran into but I guess I have to make some arrangements.

Swampert is rather annoying but the last time I ran into it was a lead I put it to sleep and brought in Gyara and dragon danced once then eq'd it to death, luckily it didn't have roar.

I've ran into two Zapdos and both went down by Heatran. But then again any suggestions on replacements or moves is appreciated.
 
No need for Dragon Pulse + HP ice on Heatran. Save the last slot for something like explosion.

Your whole team is Gyarados weak. A Gyarados can come in your Gyarados intimidate you. Then dd and stone edge your's to death while your ice fang hardly does anything. Then your whole team gets swept.

Pursuit is a better move in countering Gengars.
 
RandomNoob said:
Elaborate, since you have no grass or electric moves.
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Well threats to chomp are walls like Forretress and Skarmory which completely wall him, heatran then covers them.

Ice problems such as Weavile and Mammo are covered by Gyara with prediction.


As for not making changes, that statements are false since I did change chomp.

So you recommend stone edge on gyara and take out ice fang?
 
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