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Nice team Frog! Your team looks like it could face some problems against Dragon Dance Dragonite, Calm Mind Latias and Choice Specs Latios; CM Latias is a bit more managable with Metagross since it only carries mono coverage, but nothing on your team likes taking Latios' Specs Draco Meteor and once Dragonite gets to +1 you'll have to play very carefully to beat it. Sure these threats could be beat with your Dragonite's Extremespeed or Metagross' Bullet Punch, however, you'll want to avoid locking Dragonite into Extremespeed whenever possible as it could lead to set up opportunities for say Gengar, which can threaten your team when behind a sub. I think your team would function much better with a Scarfer so I'm going to recommend using a Scarf Hydreigon over your current set. Scarf Hydreigon lets you revenge kill Lati@s and DD Dragons more efficiently, as your opponent will be more hesitant to switch out their sweeper in the face of a Draco Meteor as opposed to a Bullet Punch or non-stab Extremespeed. You miss out on baiting Terrakion, but between Gyarados, Metagross, Tentacruel and Reuniclus, Terrakion shouldn't really be a problem for you. If you really want to be safe vs Specs Latios, you could use an EV spread of 240 HP / 80 Atk / 188 SpD along with Pursuit over Meteor Mash on Metagross. This spread enables Metagross to sponge hits better from Latios in addition to Lava Plumes from Heatran and Fire Blasts from MixTar. Pursuit counters Latios while also dealing with Starmie, Gengar, Trick Room Reuniclus etc. With Scarf Hydreigon you don't need to worry about having super strong priority.
Just some things to consider, great team and good luck!
Hello Frog and welcome to smogon!
Your team looks good but it seems horribly weak to Specslatios(even CMlatias once Metagross is dead and Multiscale is broken).Everyone on your team gets 2HKO'ed by Specsdm so you can either:
1.Change Metagross' spread to 252 Hp 200 Def 52 Atk 4 Spe and run Pursuit over EQ(Most Heatran will be faster than him anyway and he has MM to hit what he needs to).
2.Switch Metagross out for Jirachi;252 Hp 200 Spdef 56 Def Careful with SR,Iron Head,Body Slam and Wish.You could probably run the standard Tyranitar but it seems like you want this to be a weatherless team and Gyarados won't like the SS damage anyway.
Next I'd recommend running Dragon pulse over DM since,with Ebelt,it won't be very strong,and players can wall Hydreigon easily by baiting DM,switching to a steel type and back.Dragon pulse will make it harder to stop.
Your team looks good but it seems horribly weak to Specslatios(even CMlatias once Metagross is dead and Multiscale is broken).Everyone on your team gets 2HKO'ed by Specsdm so you can either:
1.Change Metagross' spread to 252 Hp 200 Def 52 Atk 4 Spe and run Pursuit over EQ(Most Heatran will be faster than him anyway and he has MM to hit what he needs to).
2.Switch Metagross out for Jirachi;252 Hp 200 Spdef 56 Def Careful with SR,Iron Head,Body Slam and Wish.You could probably run the standard Tyranitar but it seems like you want this to be a weatherless team and Gyarados won't like the SS damage anyway.
Next I'd recommend running Dragon pulse over DM since,with Ebelt,it won't be very strong,and players can wall Hydreigon easily by baiting DM,switching to a steel type and back.Dragon pulse will make it harder to stop.
Hey the team looks quite nice. I would make a couple of suggestions. And I'd course, they're up to you.
I recommend Ice Punch over Meteor Mash, which allows you to switch into Outrages and KO. I would try defensive EVs on Metgross, and specially defensive Tentacruel. I would also suggest something a little unconventional with Hydreigon-- U-turn over Focus Blast-- you lose the Ghost coverage but it allows you to scout after hitting hard with Draco Meteor. You can't trap Terrakion, but it's great for momentum. Something, perhaps, to test.
Anyway, it's just something to consider. Good luck!
I recommend Ice Punch over Meteor Mash, which allows you to switch into Outrages and KO. I would try defensive EVs on Metgross, and specially defensive Tentacruel. I would also suggest something a little unconventional with Hydreigon-- U-turn over Focus Blast-- you lose the Ghost coverage but it allows you to scout after hitting hard with Draco Meteor. You can't trap Terrakion, but it's great for momentum. Something, perhaps, to test.
Anyway, it's just something to consider. Good luck!
Solid team overall and its hard to find a weakness on this team. My first suggestion is to change Hydriegon´s moveset to: Substitute/Dragon Pulse/Fire Blast/Focus Blast. I dont know how you are luring Terrakion to take a Dark Pulse and KO back with Focus Blast if you are straight outspeeded and in sand he can live Focus Blast :/ (probably a typo). Anyways with Substitute, Hydriegon abuses the oportunities he forces a switch and he can hit hard the next pokemon with any of your coverage moves. Fire Blast is able to 2HKO standard Jirachi, so you should give it a shot.
Hope my rate helps you out :).
Hope my rate helps you out :).
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Scarf Hydreigon- interesting. I could try it although I never really liked scarf hydreigon.
What exactly do those EVs achieve on metagross? Also I am assuming you meant pursuit over bullet punch, not meteor mash, correct? Metagross can take hits from TTar relatively well and KO with meteor mash. Also, does the nature change for your EVs? Note hydreigon can take a dragon pulse from latias and OHKO back with Draco Meteor
@HBK most heatran can't OHKO either, what do those EVs achieve?
I really need the power race meteor provides to kill things like toxicroak
@Bugdomking meteor mash hits most dragon types harder than ice punch
This isn't really a momentum based team, so U-turn wouldn't do much for me. If I were to use it, dark pulse is the move to replace in this metagame because SpD heatran is so relevant.
@Motagua I'll Try that hydreigon set too, also flamethrower 2HKO Jirachi
Summary:
Metagross- What do you guys's EVS achieve? Pursuit?
Hydreigon- test:
Sub
Scarf
Scarf Hydreigon- interesting. I could try it although I never really liked scarf hydreigon.
What exactly do those EVs achieve on metagross? Also I am assuming you meant pursuit over bullet punch, not meteor mash, correct? Metagross can take hits from TTar relatively well and KO with meteor mash. Also, does the nature change for your EVs? Note hydreigon can take a dragon pulse from latias and OHKO back with Draco Meteor
@HBK most heatran can't OHKO either, what do those EVs achieve?
I really need the power race meteor provides to kill things like toxicroak
@Bugdomking meteor mash hits most dragon types harder than ice punch
This isn't really a momentum based team, so U-turn wouldn't do much for me. If I were to use it, dark pulse is the move to replace in this metagame because SpD heatran is so relevant.
@Motagua I'll Try that hydreigon set too, also flamethrower 2HKO Jirachi
Summary:
Metagross- What do you guys's EVS achieve? Pursuit?
Hydreigon- test:
Sub
Scarf