NU Froslass

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[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Poltergeist
move 2: Trick
move 3: Triple Axel / Icicle Crash
move 4: Spikes / Ice Shard
item: Choice Band
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Froslass is able to act as a good wallbreaker due to its amazing Speed and powerful STAB moves, allowing it to outspeed fast wallbreakers such as Gourgeist-S and Silvally-Dragon and constantly force switches to gain opportunities to set Spikes or cripple a wall such as Ferroseed or Avalugg with Trick. Alternatively, Froslass can utilize Ice Shard when used on slower teams to outprioritize Pokemon such as Decidueye and Toxicroak and revenge kill threats such as Flame Charge Silvally-Dragon, Choice Scarf Decidueye, Ninjask, and Butterfree. Icicle Crash can be an alternative to Triple Axel for more consistent damage at the cost of significantly less power.

Froslass appreciates hazard removal due to its crippling weakness to hazards, so Pokemon like Eldegoss, Silvally-Water, and Rotom-S make for great teammates. Additionally, Froslass also appreciates hazard support from Pokemon such as Miltank and Sandaconda, as its checks will be punished for switching into it and makes it harder to pivot around Froslass, while Froslass is able to threaten hazard removers such as Eldegoss and Rotom-S. Dark-types such as Alolan Persian and Silvally-Dark can threaten Froslass with their moves, so answers to them such as Sawk, Toxicroak, Gurdurr, and Clefairy are good partners. Pokemon such as Kangaskhan and Basculin highly benefit from the Spikes support Froslass provides, as the hazard damage allows them to apply more pressure on their checks.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Zneon, 487629]]
- Quality checked by: [[Rabia, 336073], [[Finchinator, 114198]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Estronic, 240732]]
 
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You're underselling Froslass really hard; Weezing isn't a reliable switch-in to Choice Band Triple Axel, being 2HKOed by it after Stealth Rock pretty reliably. I feel this first paragraph also focuses too much on the wallbreaking aspect of Froslass and not enough on the utility it offers.

Miltank isn't a physical wall; it's a special wall. It also gets clapped by Triple Axel.

No need to write a sentence about what Poltergeist does. It's common knowledge a Ghost-type move threatens Ghost-type Pokemon.

Gourgeist isn't a viable Pokemon in NU; Gourgeist-S is, but they don't run Shadow Sneak very frequently anymore, and Froslass outspeeds it naturally anyway.

Overall, this first paragraph doesn't adequately address Froslass's niche as a wallbreaker that can force switches to gain opportunities to set Spikes or cripple checks with Trick. You also never address when to use Icicle Crash over Triple Axel.

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Dark-types in general don't actually force Froslass out very reliably; Silvally-Dark can only switch into Poltergeist from it, and one time doing that and it can no longer stomach Triple Axel (at least, most of the time it won't be able to).

This second paragraph is good, although you should consider a sentence about teammates that benefit from Froslass's presence.

Let me know when you've implemented these changes; I specifically want to see improvement in the first paragraph.
 
I think you can probably cut the sentence that talks about what exactly Spikes does. If you think that information is pertinent, I'd try and work it into the first mention you have of Spikes to avoid verbosity. I also think you can cut the full sentence about Trick out and just mention the Froslass checks in the previous sentence ("to set Spikes or cripple a wall such as Ferroseed or Avalugg with Trick", for instance).

I think you could also talk about how Froslass's great Speed lets it revenge kill some of the faster wallbreakers like Gourgeist-S and unboosted Silvally-Dragon.

Maybe mention explicitly that Ice Shard is helpful on teams that need the extra speed control.

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Good second paragraph, maybe give a mention of Pokemon that appreciate Spikes support.

QC 1/2 when this is done.
 
Zneon said:
However, you can drop that move for Ice Shard, which can be used for extra speed control as it allows Froslass to outprioritize Pokemon such as Decidueye and Toxicroak due to its higher speed and revenge kill them.
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You can also mention how it helps against Scarf Decidueye, Flame Charge Silvally-Dragon, Ninjask, and QD Lilligant/Butterfree. Ice Shard is used in part for what you allude to, but there are also some faster Pokemon that are Ice weak and this plays a part in it being used as well.

Zneon said:
Dark-types such as Persian-Alola and Silvally-Dark can threaten Froslass with their moves, so answers to them such as Sawk, Toxicroak and Clefairy are good partners to Froslass.
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This is a great point, but I'd just add Gurdurr into the mix among the Fighting types due to it being about as common as Sawk right now (and I believe both are ranked similarly atm as well).

This looks great, Rabia really covered a lot and your updates were good. 2/2 with these
 
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[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Poltergeist
move 2: Trick
move 3: Triple Axel / Icicle Crash
move 4: Spikes / Ice Shard
item: Choice Band
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Froslass is able to act as a good wallbreaker in the tier due to its amazing Speed and high powered powerful STAB moves, allowing it to outspeed fast wallbreakers such as Gourgeist-S and Silvally-Dragon and constantly force switches to gain opportunities to set up Spikes, (AC) which allows it to pressure the opposing team with hazard damage to or cripple a wall such as Ferroseed and Avalugg with Trick. Icicle Crash can be an alternative to Triple Axel for more consistent damage output, however that is at the cost of significantly less power. However, you can drop that move for Ice Shard, which can be used for extra speed control as it allows Froslass to outprioritize faster Pokemon such as Decidueye and Toxicroak due to its higher speed and revenge kill other threats such as Flame Charge Silvally-Dragon, Choice Scarf Decidueye, Ninjask, and Butterfree.

Froslass appreciates hazard removal due to its crippling weakness to hazards, therefore so Pokemon like Eldegoss, Silvally-Water, and Rotom-S make for great teammates. Additionally, (AC) Froslass also appreciates hazard support from Pokemon such as Miltank and Sandaconda, (AC) as its checks will be punished for switching into it and makes it harder to pivot around Froslass, while Froslass is able to threaten hazard removers such as Eldegoss and Rotom-S. Dark-types such as Alolan Persian-Alola and Silvally-Dark can threaten Froslass with their moves, so answers to them such as Sawk, Toxicroak, Gurdurr, and Clefairy are good partners to Froslass. Pokemon such as Kangaskhan and Basculin highly benefit from the Spikes support Froslass provides, (AC) as the hazard damage allows them to apply more pressure on their checks.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Zneon, 487629]]
- Quality checked by: [[Rabia, 336073], [[Finchinator, 114198]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
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