[Gen 5 OU] Chlorophyll / Sun Sweepers

Hello all. Before I post any of my Pokemon and what I'm attempting to do with this team, please know that if anything seems shotty I have been out of competitive Pokemon for a little while. Don't confuse that with "can't play competitive for shit", as I'm no slouch. I know how it works and what I should be going for, I'm just a bit rusty :3 So please, tell me my crippling flaws with my team if you see any, though I tried my best to describe what I see and think might be the best for my team (also I did take a good look at the Rise and Shine: Sun Guide before building my team, in order to get a better structure.)

If you're somehow not familiar with SunSweeping, let me just tell you the best I can. The entire basis of the team goes like this - get Ninetales, and attempt to power my way through with speed and hard hitting moves by use of Chlorophyll and Fire-type Pokemon. I tried my best to go for both a mix of Special and regular Attacking moves, though Special is much more prevalent in this team. I don't know how else to describe it, so let me just show you my current build.

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Ninetales (female) @ Leftovers, Sunny Day lead
Drought
136 HP/252 SA/120 Spe
Modest (+SA -Atk)
-Sunny Day
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Will-O-Wisp

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Ninetales role. Lead with Ninetales, get permanent sun, maybe take something out, and switch out to a better sweeper. It has Sunny Day in case the opponent has a weather inducing move of it's own.

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Venusaur (female) @ Life Orb, Special Sweeper
Chlorophyll
2 Atk IV/30 SA IV/30 Spe IV
4 HP/252 SA/252 Spe
Modest (+SA -Atk)
-Growth
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power Fire
-Sleep Powder

Venusaur is my special sweeper. With Chlorophyll, it gets an amazing base stat speed capable of outrunning just about anything. Growth here is used in order to give it a boost to its Special Attack, effectively doubling that as well. I opted for Sleeper Powder instead of Sludge Bomb in order to take down or at least get a free switch on foes that could resist my moveset (Heatran comes to mind).

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Sawsbuck (male) @ Life Orb, Physical Sweeper
Chlrophyll
112 HP/248 Atk/148 Spe
Adament (+Atk -SA)
-Swords Dance
-Leech Horn
-Return
-Jump Kick

Sawsbuck is my Physical sweeper. It is basically the opposite of Venusaur, and its role is basically the same, just for physical attacks. Jump Kick is chosen over Nature Power in order to better take care of Heatran and give it slightly better coverage against foes like Skarmory.

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Heatran (female) @ Leftovers, Tormentor/Staller
Flash Fire
244 HP/44 SpD/220 Spe
Calm (+SpD -Atk)
-Substitute
-Protect
-Lava Plume
-Torment

Heatran's role basically comes down to stalling. I would have used another staller if it weren't for Lava Plume. I opted for the DPPl set because of how annoying it is. It's rather standard in that regard, it's used for added bulk and little more, as even a 2x boosted Lava Plume won't be taking a whole lot down anytime soon.

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Hydreigon (male) @ Life Orb, Cheap-bastardly Mixed Attacker
Levitate
4 HP/252 SA/252 Spe
Mild (+SA -Def)
-Fire Blast
-Draco Meteor
-Superpower
-Roost

Fuck Hydreigon. It's main role as a mixed attacker is unmatched, as it gets great stats and a greater move pool. It has little that can counter it (even the Smogon entry says so) and just makes for an all around Pokemon. Fire Blast isn't even the main reason I have it - that's just a bonus. Seriously, fuck this guy.

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Infernape (male) @ Expert Belt, Mixed SunAttacker
Blaze
148 Atk/108 SA/252 Spe
Naive (+Spe -SpD)
-Heatwave/Fire Blast/Flamethrower
-Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-Solarbeam

Infernapes main role is to be a mixed sweeper under the sun, effectively multiplying its Fire-type moves by 2 in terms of damage. There weren't any Smogon sets for a SunSweeper Infernape, so making the EV spread and nature was a little annoying. I opted for more EV's in Attack because more Pokemon seem to be having more and more bulk (plus Tyranitar doesn't appreciate a 4x weakness to Close Combat). I opted to lower Special Defense for more Speed with Naive, as my of Infernapes counters are physical (though as a glass cannon it would get taken down easily regardless). Blaze was chosen over Pure Fist because without any way to recover (more on that in a bit), I can at least get some potential damage boost from Flare Blitz recoil and any possible entry hazards. As a mixed attacker, I needed two fire moves to take advantage of. Currently it's Heat Wave for an absurd 280 base power in the sun, though it requires more switching out because of the Special Attack loss. Flare Blitz and Superpower are standard, as they offer the best power with the best downsides. I opted for Solarbeam to take abuse of it's effect under the sun, and in order to get more damage on Gastrodon and Swampert. Finally, I chose for it to use a Expert Belt rather than a Life Orb. This is because without any recovery, it needs to take as little damage as possible to survive. Although not diverse, there's a few Pokemon who will not appreciate its moveset with an Expert Belt (it also may allude the opponent into thinking I have a Choice set).

Checks and Counters:
Other Pokemon that summon weather effects, obviously. Politoed is the best counter, as it ruins both Infernape and Ninetales, as well as making Heatran a bit harder to use. Tyranitar can cause some problems as well, though Infernape makes a good counter. Besides weather effects, any Pokemon faster than any of mine could easily cause problems, as sweepers aren't known for there defense. Venusaur and Sawsbuck should be alright under the sun, but the main worry relies on Infernape and Ninetales, as an Alakazam or most Dragon-types could ruin them.​

Well, there it is. It's disappointing that I couldn't find a spot for Volcanora, though maybe you could point out something I could get rid of for it. I'm sure I must be overlooking something, though in recent battles this team has just wrecked havoc on the other person and their Pokemon. Please tell me anything that could potentially ruin my setup or help out my Pokemon, as I would appreciate it greatly :3 Thanks.
 
Is it just me who don't run therian forms in Rain team?

Politoed could skarf and hydropump/ice beam the whole team.
your whole team is weak to either Ice or water, the most common attack sets in water pokes.

You'd want some other choices. But don't run volcarona. It's just another srock weak buggy.

Something that gets rid of water/ice would do. at least neutral.
 
Hey, nice team you got here.

your team is pretty weak to technician brelooom at the moment, mach punch and bullet seed can rip your team new one. To cover this i'm going to suggest, Salanmence > Hydregion.
Salamence @ life orb
Nature: naive
Evs 252 spe/ 64 atk/ 192 spa ability: moxie
-draco meteor
-outrage
-fire blast
-earthquake


This set resists both of the moves commonly carried by breloom, and can check it fairly well. This set also uses sun and gives your team a pseudo-sweeper should either of yuor chlorophyll abusers fail.
Also, i'm going to suggest using this infernape set
infernape @ life orb
evs: 252 spa/ 252 spe/ 4 atk Ability: blaze
Nature: mild
-fire blast
-close combat
-grass knot
-hidden power [ICE]
this has a lot more use than your current set, because it has awesome coverage and an ability to go mixed without dying to quickly, this set hits a lot of OU very hard indeed, Try it.

Good luck with the team, hope I helped.
 
Hi, you have a very nice Sun team here.

First thing's first, your team would greatly appreciate a spinner. I'd highly suggest running this standard Donphan set over Sawsbuck:

Donphan@Leftovers; Sturdy
Impish: 252 HP/ 4 Attack/ 252 Defense
EarthQuake, RapidSpin, StealthRock & Toxic/Roar/KnockOff

Not only does Donphan rid the field of opposing hazards, it also provides your team w/ somewhat of a physical wall, which seems like a necessity at the moment for this team; as any +1/2 DD Dragonite(Especially the LumBerry varient) could easily sweep through this team.

Your Ninetales would also greatly appreciate HP(Ground) over W-o-W. Heatran has LavaPlume(which has a 30% chance of burn), providing burn status. Not to mention, Ninetales, Infernape & Hydreigon all carry FireBlast, which can also burn the Pokemon hit with the attack.
Is it just me who don't run therian forms in Rain team?

Politoed could skarf and hydropump/ice beam the whole team.
your whole team is weak to either Ice or water, the most common attack sets in water pokes.

You'd want some other choices. But don't run volcarona. It's just another srock weak buggy.

Something that gets rid of water/ice would do. at least neutral.
Volcarona actually seems like a safe haven from Rain teams. Donphan already covers its SR weakness & once you have a +2/3 QD, Hurricane could wreak any Rain team outside of Thundurus-T.
 
Maybe suggesting a Volcarona for your team instead of Heatran.

Volcarona @Leftovers/Life Orb
Calm/Modest/Timid, 126 SpA, SpD, Spe, HP, 4 Def
Flame Body
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Quiver Dance
Fiery Dance
Bug Buzz
Psychic/ Substitute

Believe it or not, this set works so much better than the EV set claims it does. Set up with a quiver dance and laugh at your opponent as they can do almost nothing to stop this specially defensive, hard hitting, faster than hell monster. Send it out on a defensive pokemon. Setup once whille they either A) stay in or B) switch out. If they don't switch, setup again and again and again until they do. When they do, Sweep. All moves on this set either help you or hinder them as opposed to damage without any side-effects. It's sort-of a halfset between offensive and defensive. Pick the appropriate item and nature.
 
Hello,

Nice team you have here! Speaking of team members, I can see a bad weakness to Scarf Kion and volcarona becomes very dangerous if setups ; to solve those problems I recommend a Choice Scarf landorus over Sawsbuck. Looking at the movesets, your heatran doesn't synergize with the team because it doesn't have the right tools to stall or annoy, so I suggest you to use magma storm Heatran. Why this set: Heatran can win the 1 vs 1 war with other weather inducers and that greatly benefits your team.

tl;dr

Choice Scarf Landorus > Sawsbuck, Magma Storm Heatran > your current Heatran.

Set(s):

Landorus:
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Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
- Hidden Power [Ice]


Heatran:
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Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Sunny Day
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power / Hidden Power [Ice]
- SolarBeam

Hope it helped, good luck with your team!
 
Thanks for the replies, everyone! I looked over some of the suggestions, and have since changed Ninetales and Hetran and swapped out my Hydreigon for the Salamance set. However, I'm having a hard time dropping out my Sawsbuck, as it is my only Physical sweeper that gains a major benefit from the sun (perhaps I'm too attached :(). I've tried to fit Volcarona in, but there's no real place for another special sweeper, regardless of how awesome it may be. I'll work on it a bit more, thanks for the help!
 
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