Gengar Discussion

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Good ole Gengar. He's always pwned, and he always will.

Physical Moves
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch
Astonish
Shadow Claw
Explosion
Drain Punch
Brick Break
Return
Frustration
Focus Punch
Shadow Punch
Hurl

Special Movepool
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Dream Eater
Dark Pulse
Thunder
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power
Giga Drain
Sludge Bomb
Focus Bomb
Energy Ball

Support Movepool
Grudge
Haze
Perish Song
Substitute
Swagger
Psych Up
Will-o-Wisp
Skill Swap
Snatch
Rest
Torment
Protect
Taunt
Hypnosis
Nightmare
Mean Look
Curse
Confuse Ray
Destiny Bond


Let me just start of by saying....WOW. Nice movepool if you ask me. Now let me say I've never made a topic like this so if I missed something or added something that didn't need to be here(pretty sure I did) just tell me.

Gengar is one kickass pokemon. 3 very common immunities in Normal, Fighting, and Ground. It's got great speed and Sp Att. Crappy defenses though and no attack to go with the incredible physical movepool.



McGar
Focus Punch
Substitute
HP Ice/Ice Punch
Thunderbolt

The old McGar set. Ice Punch is physical now so you may want to use HP Ice instead. Subpunch Blissey, T-Tar, Weavile, Snorlax.

Special Gengar
Shadow Ball/Psychic/Dark Pulse
Thunderbolt/HP Ice/Giga Drain
Hypnosis/Will-o-Wisp
Focus Punch/Destiny Bond/Explosion

So much to choose from. I personally like the first options I gave. Although everyone is different and has their own preferences.

You could also go with a CB or AG set, possibly a Perish Trapper. This thing is really unpredictable and thoroughly awesome. Makes a good counter to alot of things. SkarmBliss T-Tar Landshark and Sala to name a few.
 
Gengar is as unpredictable as ever, and the improved offensiveness of the metagame doesn't affect him too badly, since he was already not meant to be taking hits. It just means there's more stuff for him to Will-o-wisp. He also benefits from Hypnosis' increased accuracy.

Apparently AS Gengar are really common on WiFi, so maybe someone who's faced one (Jibaku's faced one I think) can post at least part of the moveset they're employing (likely something along the lines of Hypnosis/Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt/Focus Bomb).
 
Gengar also gets Poison Stab for all it's worth.
I've always loved this thing. Not as unpredictable as it once was, but it's still awesome.
LOL it gets the Punches as egg moves.
 
Gengar is very awesome, except it gets almost-OHKO'd by Choice Banded Weavile's Pursuit whether it switches out or not. Throw in Sandstream... that's really the one thing you have to watch out for.
 
Gengar is so cool!

With Levitate, and the Ghost type, it has 3 imunities!

And its speed.... UFF!!

And it is better than before. Before, Ghost wasnt Sp. And with Gengars high Sp. Atk, it was better as an anoyer.
Now, it will work great with Shadow Ball.
 
Don't use Ice Punch. Only Focus Punch and Explosion are viable physical moves on Gengar, in DP at least.

AG Gengar needs a mention.

Gengar @ AG
Levitate
Timid Nature, 252 SpAtk, 252 Speed, 4 HP

~ Sludge Bomb
~ Shadow Ball
~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power Ice

This is walled by nothing that I can think of. It can switch on three immunities and fire away on one of your moves. I'm sure even Bronzong and Metagross would hate dealing with an AGed, STABbed Shadow Ball.

There's also Perish Trapper Gengar, but which, in my opinion, now gets overshadowed by Mismagius in that regard.
 
Gengar doesn't really have the attack to pull of a physical sweeper, such a shame it gets such good Physical attacks. Focus Bomb is really nice though, I just wish it was more accurate. OHKO's alot of things. 2HKO's Blissey.

I use

Gengar@Black Sludge
Timid : 252 Speed, 252 SpAtt, 6 SpDef
Shadow Ball
HP Ice
Focus Bomb
Thunderbolt


Best type coverage ever
 
hi, my name is spiritomb and your AG shadowball does 44-52% to me, I know pursuit and ambush, RIP

other than that, you have to sludge bomb first (which has a hard time to 1hko) because of weavile, which CB pursuits you into oblivion no matter if you stay or switch...

AS gar is probably better than AG gar, 2 hits are more than 1 boosted
 
How would AS over AG change your own argument, Peterko? Gengar would still gets OHKOed by Spiritomb, no matter what item it has.

Weavile would have a hard time to come in on an AGed Gengar hit, anyway. Sludge Bomb has a chance to OHKO Weavile. I just don't want to use Focus Bomb with that crap accuracy. If anything, I'd drop Thunderbolt or HP Ice for HP Fighting, which would then lose me coverage from other stuff.
 
AS Gengar is not a bad idea, though I can't help but think Pursuit will be nasty for it, particularly from Metagross.

AG Gengar is a bit spookier for common Pursuit users (Shadow Ball 2hkos Metagross iirc), but it's all too likely to only be able to kill one thing even if it predicts really well.

I'd probably just stick to standard statrape with the usual suspects... Wisp/Hypnosis/Substitute are your best protection against Pursuit rape.
 
actually gengar has partially lost its ground immunites due to uncoventional trait, notable user of this trait is rampard, assuming you predict gengar coming in trying to predict you, you could quake it for instant ohko :P but then again it would pretty much require you to be clairvoyant in order to pull that off ^_^
 
Neither of the Unconventional Pokemon will be seen than once in a while probably, because they're both pretty shaky. I consider it a minor issue for Gengar - not in the least as fearsome as Pursuit.

What I really like is how Gengar totally turned his tables on Celebi with Special, Super-Effective STAB. Jirachi will still wall it though.
 
Though AS gengar is very popular, it is very easy to beat. The reason it is used is because some people like the fast sleep, nothing else.
 
I don't really consider ASGar a threat mainly because it's limited to an option and you lack valuable power and/or versatility.
 
If ASGar sleeps, he has to switch so kill him with a Pursuit.
If ASGar shadow balls, switch to a normal-type (with Pursuit).
If ASGar thunderbolts, switch to a ground (with Pursuit).
The last move is up for grabs, though expect explosion.


Double-status Gar is getting the most talk while ASGar is getting the most play. AGGar has hardly been talked about at all and would make a great early or mid-game sweeper if they expect a more fragile ASGar. Any choice item on Gar seems like such a waste though, given his magnificent movepool. =/
 
the voice of reason said:
Hate to be ignorant here, but would you mind clarifying on which 2 statuses you're referring to? I'd hope that he would be able to thunderwave, but I don't know.
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In Advance, DoubleGar was usually something like Will-o-wisp/Hypnosis/Thunderbolt/Ice Punch, as Railith said, but in D/P I would personally go Shadow Ball over HP Ice since Gengar can now abuse that STAB.
 
To be honest, I never thought about how Pursuit Weavile counters Gengar completely, until Peterko mentioned it. So, unless Gengar OHKOes Weavile when Weavile switches in, Gengar is doomed. Not pretty.

Maybe Gengar needs HP Fighting or Focus Bomb just for this purpose.

EDIT: I mean Gengar without AS here, of course.
 
Or unless Gengar burns Weavile.

And AS Gengar is still countered by Weavile as long as it doesn't mess Weavile up
 
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