Gigalith [QC 0/3]

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Gigalith

[Overview]
· 135 base attack is super strong
· Mono-rock typing has good advantages
· Niche over other attackers because of superior bulk and power
· With choice band, reaches 607 attack.
[SET]
name: CBlith
move 1: Stone Edge
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Explosion
move 4: Stealth rock/rock blast
item: Choice Band
ability: Sturdy
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Sdef


[SET COMMENTS]
· This set abuses Choice Band and Gigalith’s ability to tear holes in the opponents team.
· A STAB attack with 100 BP is amazing.
· Coverage moves allow Salamence to hit almost every pokemon with the edgequake coverage.
· Stone Edge is your primary move, but rock slide or rock blast can be substituted in.
· Surprising bulk: 374/265/219 in sandstorm lets it take some hits
· Sturdy allows it to sure-revenge few pokes in the start of the game
· Explosion is still powerful
  • 252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Stone Edge vs 252 HP/232 Def Skarmory: 47.9% - 56.59%
  • 252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Stone Edge vs 252 HP/184 Def Gliscor: 50.28% - 59.6%
  • 252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Stone Edge vs 252 HP/224 Def Jellicent: 63.12% - 74.5%
  • 252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Stone Edge vs 4 HP/0 Def Terrakion: 46.6% - 54.94%
  • 252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Stone Edge vs 252 HP/0 Def Dragonite: 74.61% - 88.08% (with multiscale)
  • 252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Stone Edge vs 0 HP/0 Def Volcarona: 505.47% - 596.14%

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
· There are not many other options that Gigalith has
· Gigalith can run sand force when it is release, making it immensely more powerful.
· Niches over hippowdon (similar attacker) include chances to 2HKO Gliscor and skarmory with rocks.
· A cruse set can be run.
 
Is Gigalith even viable in OU? Its movepool is complete ass, and it only has 10 more maximum HP than Metagross, who has a significantly better typing and more choices such as Trick. Its singular Rock typing leaves it with weaknesses to common attacking types such as Fighting, Ground, Steel, and Water, which really comes to bite it in the ass.

252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs 252 HP/0 Def Gigalith: 106.68% - 125.94%
252 SpAtk Choice Specs Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Gigalith: 121.12% - 142.78% (factoring in Sandstorm, factoring in the 4 SpDef EVs will not change the result, it will still be an OHKO)
252 Atk Choice Band Scizor Bullet Punch vs 252 HP/0 Def Gigalith: 68.98% - 81.82%
252 Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs 252 HP/0 Def Gigalith: 91.98% - 108.56%
252 Atk Life Orb Landorus Earthquake vs 252 HP/0 Def Gigalith: 89.04% - 105.08% (no sandstorm)
252 Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs 252 HP/0 Def Gigalith: 76.2% - 89.84%

All of these except the last calc and the Bullet Punch calc are guaranteed OHKOs after Stealth Rock, and the last one will be a guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and a bit of prior damage (hit it with just about anything). Gigalith can't switch in on Bullet Punch, and with the general popularity of Scizor, that thing's everywhere.

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well it can serve pretty well with sturdy. and why would you stay in on close combat from lucario and hydro pump from SPECS rotom?

That not the point.

It's like saying volcarona cant be in ou because it take 500% from CB tyranitar
yea. no.
 
I'm pretty sure Gigalith has been rejected before, and this set was part of that analysis (with some minor EV and 4th moveslot slash differences).

Of course, that was a while ago but unless the game has changed significantly enough to somehow make Gigalith better, I don't know whether this will get approved.
 
I still don't see the point of this. With entry hazards, Sturdy will be broken anyway and you'll just get wrecked. This thing can't beat Gliscor (obviously), and Skarm can just Roost to negate its weakness to it so you can't even damage that too much. The prevalence of rain will just knock this thing back to the stone age anyway...and CB Stealth Rock? seriously? It can hit hard, but it's just way too slow and not bulky enough...not to mention it can't trap Pokemon with Pursuit either. CB Tar infinitely outclasses this set; it has better overall bulk thanks to Sandstorm, can trap walls such as Blissey, and actually has some usable Speed. Not to mention, Tyranitar has better coverage, which means it can actually kill Pokemon such as Ferrothorn that this Pokemon just gets trolled by.
 
Gigalith will on be worthy in OU imo when custap berry comes out, which lets it almost always get stealth rock down then explode to kill what ever is out.
 
Techniloom said:
Gigalith will on be worthy in OU imo when custap berry comes out, which lets it almost always get stealth rock down then explode to kill what ever is out.
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You won't be killing much with a nerfed Explosion. Maybe Alakazam and Dugtrio, but they're some of the frailest things in OU and no smart player will keep them in to take an Explosion.
 
LucaroarkZ said:
You won't be killing much with a nerfed Explosion. Maybe Alakazam and Dugtrio, but they're some of the frailest things in OU and no smart player will keep them in to take an Explosion.
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Ugh, I'm sick of this myth that Explosion is now unusable since the nerf... it's still a base 250 attack, so it's almost twice as powerful as Stone Edge. Here's some calcs.

Scrafty (OU Dragon Dance): 100-118.01%
Hydreigon (OU Choice Scarf): 102.76-121.16%
Landorus (OU Choice Scarf): 104.7 - 123.19%
Rotom-W (OU Defensive): 107.8 - 127.13%
Haxorus (OU Choice Band): 110.92 - 130.79%

Alakazam (OU Offensive Calm Mind): 227.09 - 267.33%
Dugtrio (OU Revenge Killer): 238.38 - 280.56%

Explosion has enough power, even without an item, to let Gigalith revenge some of OU's most physically bulky sweepers thanks to Sturdy + Custap Berry. With this setup, Gigalith will set up SR and get a kill in the majority of matchups with offensive pokemon. It's not impossible to stop it (Scizor, Gliscor, Conkeldurr) but it's probably good enough for an OU analysis once it's released.

At the moment, I'd say no since it's somewhat outclassed by Tyranitar, and running it alongside Tyranitar is just dangerous with so many Rain teams around. But when it's released from DW, definitely. Also, this thing might be a good physical abuser of Gravity with something like Gravity / Stone Edge / Earthquake / Explosion, with Sturdy letting it set up most of the time.
 
erisiascape said:
Ugh, I'm sick of this myth that Explosion is now unusable since the nerf... it's still a base 250 attack, so it's almost twice as powerful as Stone Edge. Here's some calcs.

Scrafty (OU Dragon Dance): 100-118.01%
Hydreigon (OU Choice Scarf): 102.76-121.16%
Landorus (OU Choice Scarf): 104.7 - 123.19%
Rotom-W (OU Defensive): 107.8 - 127.13%
Haxorus (OU Choice Band): 110.92 - 130.79%

Alakazam (OU Offensive Calm Mind): 227.09 - 267.33%
Dugtrio (OU Revenge Killer): 238.38 - 280.56%

Explosion has enough power, even without an item, to let Gigalith revenge some of OU's most physically bulky sweepers thanks to Sturdy + Custap Berry. With this setup, Gigalith will set up SR and get a kill in the majority of matchups with offensive pokemon. It's not impossible to stop it (Scizor, Gliscor, Conkeldurr) but it's probably good enough for an OU analysis once it's released.

At the moment, I'd say no since it's somewhat outclassed by Tyranitar, and running it alongside Tyranitar is just dangerous with so many Rain teams around. But when it's released from DW, definitely. Also, this thing might be a good physical abuser of Gravity with something like Gravity / Stone Edge / Earthquake / Explosion, with Sturdy letting it set up most of the time.
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252 Atk Gigalith Explosion vs 4 HP/0 Def Lucario: 73.05% - 85.82% (assuming it is holding a Custap Berry)
252 Atk Gigalith Explosion vs 252 HP/0 Def Metagross: 33.52% - 39.56%
252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Explosion vs 252 HP/0 Def Metagross: 50.27% - 59.34%
And just for the lulz...
252 Atk Choice Band Gigalith Explosion vs 4 HP/0 Def Aggron: 24.11% - 28.37%

Plus, why waste time with 250 base power that cannot deal super effective damage? Virtually any powerful super effective attack will out-damage it, making it a waste of time. Explosion just doesn't have the impact on the metagame that it used to have to make it viable. I had someone use Explosion on my Lucario with a Forretress, and it failed to even 2HKO.
 
The point of Explosion is not to kill everything. It is to deal heavy damage to whatever comes in and allow one of your pokes to come in for free, facing a advantageous mathcup if the opponent doesn't die from Explosion.
This is especially helpful for offensive team, because they can keep their momentum. Also even with the nerf, Explosion from this poke is not so easy to take. If the opponent is lacking a bulky steel or ghost poke, which btw many offensive teams lack, then it is going ot hurt something badly.
 
Rhyperior got a rejection, and its at least 20X better than Gigalith.

Sorry, but this gets a no from me.

QC REJECTED (1/3)
 
just gonna give this the coup de grace seeing as gigalith is flat out a terrible pokemon to use in OU, being completely outclassed by the likes of terra/ttar, being slow as poop, and having such a terrible movepool
 
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