National Dex Ubers Giratina-Oh-No (Special Utility Giratina-O) [QC 3/3] [GP 1/1]

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“Oh no!”
- Primal Groudon 2024
[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD or 248 HP / 80 Def / 72 SpA / 64 SpD / 44 Spe
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent Defogger on bulky offense structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Coil Zygarde, and Arceus. With a Specially Offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while dealing much more damage to Yveltal and Eternatus. Giratina-O can also fit on balance structures with Alomomola's Wish support due to the amazing role compression it offers. Giratina-O needs Alomomola support in order to offset its longevity issues and survive for the longer games balance teams tend to have.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense, while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus by allowing teammates such as Marshadow and Eternatus to outspeed these threats. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus formes, allowing allies such as Zacian-C and Marshadow more easily sweep late-game. However, Toxic sets greatly struggle with Zacian-C, Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, and Calm Mind Arceus formes running Tera Poison.
* The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor. Giratina-O can invest 12 Speed EVs to outspeed paralyzed Zacian-C, though this means defensive EVs must be sacrificed. The second EV spread allows Giratina-O to survive a +3 Behemoth Blade from Zacian-C, a +2 Stone Edge from Primal Groudon, a Life Orb Yveltal's Dark Pulse, and a Tera Ghost Deoxys-A's Shadow Ball from full HP. It also is highly likely that Arceus-Dark's Foul Play is a 3HKO. In addition, Hex 3HKOes Coil Zygarde after status and Draco Meteor 2HKOed utility Swords Dance Primal Groudon, and Giratina-O can outspeed uninvested Zygarde and paralyzed Zacian-C.
* A well-timed Terastallization is extremely powerful with Giratina-O. Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank any +3 attack from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus. This allows Giratina-O to deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave to cripple these threats for the rest of the game. In addition, it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also gives Giratina-O much more longevity against bulky balance and stall structures.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C lacking Close Combat or defensive Eternatus while delivering a crippling status and gaining a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, Ultra Necrozma, defensive Eternatus, and Mega Salamence more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption and is still vulnerable to offensive Eternatus with Fire Blast. In addition, Giratina-O becomes vulnerable to Close Combat from Zacian-C and Low Kick from Marshadow.
* Giratina-O serves as a Defogger and a reliable switch-in to all Primal Groudon sets on bulky offense, though it does not appreciate getting hit by Toxic. It is also valued for its status, allowing it to cripple threats such as Zacian-C and offensive Eternatus. Due to Giratina-O's limited longevity, it should be used sparingly early-game so that it has enough HP to fulfill these roles. As Zacian-C and Meteor Beam Eternatus can quickly run through defensive cores, Giratina-O should preserve its HP to cripple these threats with status in most cases. Teammates that have better longevity such as Arceus-Fairy and Calm Mind Arceus-Dark should be used to scout sets from threats such as Yveltal early-game. In addition, Coil Zygarde and Primal Groudon are appreciated to check physical wallbreakers such as Choice Band Marshadow early-game. Giratina-O also appreciates offensive teammates such as Marshadow and Dragon Dance Zygarde.
* Giratina-O does not have the longevity to fit well on most balance structures, but Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish. This allows Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. However, this core struggles against Calm Mind Arceus formes, so Pokemon such as Taunt Arceus-Fairy, Fezandipiti, and defensive Eternatus are essential.
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Taunt + Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as Zacian-C make excellent teammates. Giratina-O also struggles against specially offensive Yveltal, so Calm Mind Arceus-Dark, Fezandipiti, defensive and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Heavy-Duty Boots defensive Eternatus are great allies. Giratina-O is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground lacking Taunt with status moves. Giratina-O can become setup fodder to defensive Primal Kyogre, so Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and defensive Primal Groudon are useful teammates. In exchange, Giratina-O checks opposing Primal Groudon that threaten them. Giratina-O is also bad into stall and walled by Chansey. Therefore, Defensive Kyogre is a great teammate.


[SET CREDITS]
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Written by:
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QC ready…… :worrywhirl: (Also anyone suggesting alternative EV spreads tell me what they do)
 
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wanna see again before stamping
[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Toxic / Thunder Wave
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent mixed wall on balance structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Zygarde, and Arceus. With a Specially Offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while also dealing much more damage to Zacian-C Yveltal zacian is too reliant on boosted hex and this straight up isnt true if ur using toxic, yveltal is a better example cuz of draco > polter/dtail from phys and Eternatus.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Arceus-Ground. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus-formes. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus. how are the last 2 beneficial to the team?
* The given EV spread :nailbite: The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption after Stealth Rock, and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. you could prob reword no need to say after SR twice In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor.
* Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank a Play Rough from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus and deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave. In addition it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also allows Giratina-O to check defensive Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh and Eternatus longer.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C or Eternatus while delivering a crippling status and a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, defensive Eternatus and Mega-Salamence i would include Ultra Necrozma/NDM in this btw more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption. should mention that its also weak to Close Combat Zacc and Low Kick Marsh
* Giratina-O has limited longevity without Alomomola support. Teams without Alomomola should use Giratina-O more sparingly so that it has enough HP to check Zacian-C and Meteor Beam Eternatus with Tera Double Dance Primal Groudon and Arceus this suggests girao should always tera which is very... not true to say the least. Teammates that have better longevity such as Ho-Oh, Arceus-Fairy, and Arceus Dark should be used to scout sets early-game. why is this useful? this is very vague, what exactly are they scouting for?
* Tera should be used sparingly with Giratina-O, as the only times it usually needs to Tera is against Zacian-C and offensive Eternatus. Against most balance structures Giratina-O's original typing is invaluable to check Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh. A well timed Tera can also be extremely valuable against stall if used correctly thanks to the poison immunity. should be at the start of the tera bullet points not down here
* As Giratina-O struggles with longevity, one of the best teammates for it is Alomomola. Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish, allowing Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. Alomomola also is one of the best Marshadow switch-ins, which Giratina-O massively struggles against. it can get 2hkod by polter and tera ghost spectral this isnt true ngl - its useful for scouting marsh sure, but it doesnt really check it
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as offensive Ho-Oh and Zacian-C make excellent teammates. Giratina-O also struggles against Specially Offensive Yveltal, so Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Fairy, and Eternatus are great allies. this is up to u but i would mention its a bit weak to defensive pyogre who can setup on it so pdon and ferrothorn are also good allies

[SET CREDITS]
Set(s) by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/anchor9.652323/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Quality checked by:
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Please ping me when this is applied. It will need a third QC afterwards.
“Oh no!”
- Primal Groudon 2024
[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Toxic / Thunder Wave Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent Defogger mixed wall might be a tank but it sure isn't a wall on bulky offence balance structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Coil Zygarde, and Arceus. With a Specially Offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while also dealing much more damage to Yveltal and Eternatus. Discuss balance in another sentence and mention Alomomola specifically. It is very difficult to make work on balance w/o Mola. Also talk a bit about how its STABs are difficult to switch into.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus-formes, allowing allies such as Chien-Pao to more easily sweep late-game. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus by allowing teammates such as Marshadow and Eternatus to outspeed these threats. This is a bit clunkily worded. Also please use a different example other than Chien-Pao. It is good on Giratina-O/Mola structures, but lacking this context it sounds like Chien-Pao is really splashable on Tina-O structures without much thought when it is the pivot it is paired with that allows it be as effective as it is.
* The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor.
* Tera should be used sparingly with Giratina-O, as its original typing is invaluable to check Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh. However, Aa well timed Tera is extremely powerful with Giratina-O. Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank a Play Rough from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus and deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave. In addition it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also allows Giratina-O to check defensive Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Eternatus longer. This bullet should be reworded, but the toxic immunity should be discussed in the context of bulkier teams (and stall) to extend Giratina-Os longevity. When Giratina-O teras it is often very impactful even if it doesn't always need to use it on a game to game basis. Also talk about what teras are good for which mons I didn't realize until the next bullet you were talking about Tera Poison. Also Tera Poison is better for Zac-C in general since it means Giratina-O can survive any +3 attack.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C lacking Close Combat or defensive Eternatus every offensive set runs a Fire-type move while delivering a crippling status and a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, Ultra Necrozma, defensive Eternatus, and Mega-Salamence more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption and becomes vulnerable to Close Combat from Zacian-C and Low Kick from Marshadow. Last sentence should be reworded.
* Giratina-O has limited longevity without Alomomola support. Teams without Alomomola should use Giratina-O more sparingly so that it has enough HP to check Double Dance Primal Groudon and Arceus. Teammates that have better longevity such as Ho-Ohwe should not be recommending Ho-Oh as teammate on the dex, Arceus-Fairy, and Arceus-Dark should be used to scout sets from threats such as Zygardeprobably better to scout this with Tina-O as switching to these two are big issues if Zygarde is DD, Ho-Oh, and Yveltal early-game. What sets are these mons running? Alo mentions can be removed in this bullet and please focus on how Giratina-O plays on BO. The next bullet can cover Tina-O on balance.
* As Giratina-O struggles with longevity, one of the best teammates for it is Alomomola. Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish, allowing Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. Toxic is kind of mediocre even w/o Alo. Suggest another mon that helps cover what these two struggle with (i.e. Calm Mind Arceus forme).
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as offensive Ho-Oh and Zacian-C make excellent teammates. Giratina-O also struggles against Specially Offensive Yveltal, so Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Fairy, and Eternatus are great allies. Giratina-O can become setup fodder to defensive Primal Kyogre, so Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and Primal Groudon are useful teammates. Again, what sets and how do they synergize? What does Giratina-O do for these mons in return? You need to do more than list checks to mons it struggles with. Also include an ally that can help against HO. Giratina-O is a somewhat complex mon - do not shy away from specifics if needed.


[SET CREDITS]
Set(s) by:
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Written by:
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https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
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Yeah no worries, just let me know when you're done. I'd rather you take the time than rush it
 
Thanks for making the changes. Stamped after this one, but would still like a third QC check before this moves to gp from Bobsican or adem .
“Oh no!”
- Primal Groudon 2024
[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent Defogger on bulky offense structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Coil Zygarde, and Arceus. With a Specially Offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while also dealing much more damage to Yveltal and Eternatus. Giratina-O can also fit on balance structures due to the amazing role compression it offers. However, in order to fulfill this role effectively, it mandates Alomomola Wish support. Combine these last sentences and mention its ability to disrupt opponents via status. Probably worth explicitly mentioning Alomomola offsetting Giratina-O's longevity issues. Also it is probably worth mentioning that Giratina-O's typing is a double edged sword. As great as it is for Primal Groudon and Arceus/Arceus-Ground, it leaves Giratina-O with a lot of common and exploitable weaknesses to top tier Pokemon.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus by allowing teammates such as Marshadow and Eternatus to outspeed these threats. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus-formes, allowing allies such as Zacian-C and Marshadow more easily sweep late-game. Mention the downsides of Toxic (struggling immensely with Zacian-C and thudding into Calm Mind Arceus formes which frequently run Tera Poison. Up to you if Ferrothorn is worth mentioning as Giratina-O doesn't handle it well at all regardess of the status move, but the other two let it do something. Mention Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM (it is not worth mentioning defensive). Hex plays a much bigger role in allowing Giratina-O to defeat Zygarde due to its ability to break through it regardless of Tera. Also mention that with 12 Spe EVs Giratina-O can outspeed paralyzed Zacian-C
* The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor.
* A well timed Tera is extremely powerful with Giratina-O. Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank any +3 attack from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus. This allows Giratina-O to deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave to cripple these threats for the rest of the game. In addition, it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also gives Giratina-O much more longevity against bulky balance and stall structures. First sentence can be reworded imo to better reflect the degree to which Giratina-O can swing games via Tera v these mons. It is fine as is though.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C lacking Close Combat or defensive Eternatus while delivering a crippling status and a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, Ultra Necrozma, defensive Eternatus, and Mega-Salamence more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption. In addition, Giratina-O also becomes vulnerable to Close Combat from Zacian-C and Low Kick from Marshadow. Mention the downside of offensive Eternatus with Tera Steel. Imo this is often one of the biggest reasons to not use Tera Steel.
* Giratina-O serves as a Deffogger and a reliable switch-in to all Primal Groudon sets on bulky offensemention it still doesn't like Toxic from defensive sets though. It is also valued for its essential statusreword, I know what you mean, but it isn't clear, allowing it to cripple threats such as Zacian-C and offensive Eternatus sets. Due to Giratina-O's limited longevity, it should be used sparingly early-game so that it has enough HP to fulfill these roles. As Zacian-C and Meteor Beam Eternatus sets can quickly run through defensive cores, Giratina-O should preserve its HP to cripple these threats with status in most cases. Teammates that have better longevity such as Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Arceus Dark should be used to scout sets from threats such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal early-gameDifferent examples please. Early-game Giratina-O is a much better switch to absorb status than the Arceus formes. Removing Ho-Oh works as well. In addition, Defensive Coil Zygarde and Primal Groudon are appreciated to check physical wallbreakers such as Choice Band Marshadow and Rayquaza early-game Would probably just mention Marshadow since BO can handle Rayquaza alright. Focusing on creating a defensive core that can switch into LO Yv + Marshadow should do. Then add a common attacker on these structures.
* As Giratina-O struggles with longevity, one of the best teammates for it is Alomomola. Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish, allowing Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. Reword these sentences to make it clear that this is mostly for balance structures In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. However, this core struggles against Calm Mind Arceus-formes, so Pokemon such as Taunt Arceus-Fairy and defensive Eternatusdefensive Eternatus is pretty mid on these structures, if you want to include it specify heavy duty boots are essential. The biggest shared issue with Mola/Tina-O is LO Yveltal and Dragon Dance Zygarde so those should be the focus. Also mention the struggles these structures have with Sticky Web, in large part due to LO Yveltal. Also mention how Primal Groudon is far more free to experiment with EVs or run slightly more offensive moves in these structures.
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Taunt Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as offensive Ho-Ohway too specific even if it was true, suggest Utility SD Primal Groudon and Zacian-C make excellent teammates. In return, Giratina-O is able to scout Primal Groudon for Ho-Oh and wear down walls such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde to enable Zacian-C to sweep. Giratina-O also struggles against Specially Offensive Yveltal, so Calm Mind Arceus-Dark, Defensive and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Heavy-Duty Boots Defensive Eternatus are great allies. Giratina-O is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground lacking Taunt with status moves. and Giratina-O can become setup fodder to defensive Primal Kyogre, so Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and defensive Primal Groudon are useful teammates. In exchange, Giratina-O checks opposing Primal Groudon that threaten them. It is worth mentioning Primal Kyogre's efficacy as a stallbreaker


[SET CREDITS]
Set(s) by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/anchor9.652323/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Quality checked by:
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Secondary EV Spread: 248 HP / 80 Def / 72 SpA / 64 SpA / 44 Spe (credit me please)

What they do:

80 Def: Survives +3 Behemoth Blade (60 Def) / +2 252+ Groudon Primal Stone Edge Crit (72 Def) / Arceus-Dark Foul Play likely 3HKOes (84 for full odds, but the Yveltal calc is more important)
72 SpA: Hex 3HKOes Coil Zygarde-C / Draco 2HKOes Utility SD Primal Groudon
64 SpD: Survives LO Yveltal Dark Pulse / Deoxys-A Tera Ghost Shadow Ball
44 Spe: Outspeeds unvinvested Zygarde and Paralyzed Zacian-C
 
Sorry about that! Ready for QC 3 now. Only things I didn’t really implement was talking about how Giratina-O's typing is a double-edged sword (since this is the same with every Pokemon and doesn’t seem too important plus you have teammates for this) and how Defensive Primal Kyogre is a strong stallbreaker since Giratina-O doesn’t fit on stall.
 
Would prefer to see this applied first before stamping and letting this go to GP, plus I think it'd be worthwhile to add some Fezandipiti mentions so this doesn't get outdated quick with the upcoming VR update.

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[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD or 248 HP / 80 Def / 72 SpA / 64 SpA / 44 Spe
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent Defogger on bulky offense structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Coil Zygarde, and Arceus. With a Specially Offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while also dealing much more damage to Yveltal and Eternatus. Giratina-O can also fit on balance structures with Alomomola support due to the amazing role compression it offers. Giratina-O needs Alomomola support in order to offset its longevity issues and survive for the longer games balance teams tend to have.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus by allowing teammates such as Marshadow and Eternatus to outspeed these threats. Giratina-O can invest 12 Speed EVs to outspeed paralyzed Zacian-C this phrase would go better somewhere in the EV spread section in the next paragraph. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus-formes, allowing allies such as Zacian-C and Marshadow more easily sweep late-game. However, Toxic sets greatly struggle with Zacian-C, Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, and Calm Mind Arceus formes running Tera Poison.
* The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor. The second EV spread allows Giratina-O to survive a +3 Behemoth Blade from Zacian-C, a +2 Stone Edge on from Primal Groudon, A Life Orb Yveltal's Dark Pulse, and a Tera Ghost Deoxys-A's Shadow Ball from full. It also is highly likely Arceus-Dark's Foul Play is a 3HKO. In addition Hex 3HKOs Coil Zygarde with status? and Draco Meteor 2HKOs Utility Sword Dance Primal Groudon while Giratina-O can outspeed uninvested Zygarde and paralyzed Zacian-C.
* A well timed Tera is extremely powerful with Giratina-O. Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank any +3 attack from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus. This allows Giratina-O to deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave to cripple these threats for the rest of the game. In addition, it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also gives Giratina-O much more longevity against bulky balance and stall structures.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C lacking Close Combat or defensive Eternatus while delivering a crippling status and a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, Ultra Necrozma, defensive Eternatus, and Mega-Salamence more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption and is still vulnerable to offensive Eternatus with Fire Blast. In addition, Giratina-O also becomes vulnerable to Close Combat from Zacian-C and Low Kick from Marshadow.
* Giratina-O serves as a Defogger and a reliable switch-in to all Primal Groudon sets on bulky offense, although it does not appreciate getting hit by Toxic. It is also valued for its status, allowing it to cripple threats such as Zacian-C and offensive Eternatus sets. Due to Giratina-O's limited longevity, it should be used sparingly early-game so that it has enough HP to fulfill these roles. As Zacian-C and Meteor Beam Eternatus can quickly run through defensive cores, Giratina-O should preserve its HP to cripple these threats with status in most cases. Teammates that have better longevity such as Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Arceus Dark should be used to scout sets from threats such as Yveltal early-game. In addition, Coil Zygarde and Primal Groudon are appreciated to check physical wallbreakers such as Choice Band Marshadow early-game. Giratina-O also appreciates offensive teammates such as Marshadow and Dragon Dance Zygarde.
* Giratina-O does not have the longevity to fit well on most balance structures, but Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish. This allows Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. However, this core struggles against Calm Mind Arceus-formes, so Pokemon such as Taunt Arceus-Fairy, Fezandipiti and defensive Eternatus are essential.
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Taunt Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as Zacian-C make excellent teammates. Giratina-O also struggles against Specially Offensive Yveltal, so Calm Mind Arceus-Dark, Fezandipiti, Defensive defensive what? if you mean defensive Arceus-Fairy and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, instead say "defensive/Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy" to avoid vagueness and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Heavy-Duty Boots Defensive Eternatus are great allies. Giratina-O is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground lacking Taunt with status moves. and Giratina-O can become setup fodder to defensive Primal Kyogre, so Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and defensive Primal Groudon are useful teammates. In exchange, Giratina-O checks opposing Primal Groudon that threaten them.


[SET CREDITS]
Set(s) by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bumboclaat.523420/
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/anchor9.652323/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sami.604820/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bumboclaat.523420/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Grammar checked by:
 
Nothing too major, apply this and this is good to go to GP stage, good work.

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[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD or 248 HP / 80 Def / 72 SpA / 64 SpA / 44 Spe
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent Defogger on bulky offense structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Coil Zygarde, and Arceus. With a Specially Offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while also dealing much more damage to Yveltal and Eternatus. Giratina-O can also fit on balance structures with Alomomola support due to the amazing role compression it offers. Giratina-O needs Alomomola support in order to offset its longevity issues and survive for the longer games balance teams tend to have.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus by allowing teammates such as Marshadow and Eternatus to outspeed these threats. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus-formes, allowing allies such as Zacian-C and Marshadow more easily sweep late-game. However, Toxic sets greatly struggle with Zacian-C, Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, and Calm Mind Arceus formes running Tera Poison.
* The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor. Giratina-O can invest 12 Speed EVs to outspeed paralyzed Zacian-C should also note that this comes at the drawback of compromising other benchmarks. The second EV spread allows Giratina-O to survive a +3 Behemoth Blade from Zacian-C, a +2 Stone Edge from Primal Groudon, A Life Orb Yveltal's Dark Pulse, and a Tera Ghost Deoxys-A's Shadow Ball from full. It also is highly likely Arceus-Dark's Foul Play is a 3HKO. In addition Hex 3HKOs Coil Zygarde after status and Draco Meteor 2HKOs Utility Sword Dance Primal Groudon while Giratina-O can outspeed uninvested Zygarde and paralyzed Zacian-C.
* A well timed Tera is extremely powerful with Giratina-O. Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank any +3 attack from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus. This allows Giratina-O to deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave to cripple these threats for the rest of the game. In addition, it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also gives Giratina-O much more longevity against bulky balance and stall structures.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C lacking Close Combat or defensive Eternatus while delivering a crippling status and a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, Ultra Necrozma, defensive Eternatus, and Mega-Salamence more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption and is still vulnerable to offensive Eternatus with Fire Blast. In addition, Giratina-O also becomes vulnerable to Close Combat from Zacian-C and Low Kick from Marshadow.
* Giratina-O serves as a Defogger and a reliable switch-in to all Primal Groudon sets on bulky offense, although it does not appreciate getting hit by Toxic. It is also valued for its status, allowing it to cripple threats such as Zacian-C and offensive Eternatus sets. Due to Giratina-O's limited longevity, it should be used sparingly early-game so that it has enough HP to fulfill these roles. As Zacian-C and Meteor Beam Eternatus can quickly run through defensive cores, Giratina-O should preserve its HP to cripple these threats with status in most cases. Teammates that have better longevity such as Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Arceus Dark should be used to scout sets from threats such as Yveltal early-game. In addition, Coil Zygarde and Primal Groudon are appreciated to check physical wallbreakers such as Choice Band Marshadow early-game. Giratina-O also appreciates offensive teammates such as Marshadow and Dragon Dance Zygarde.
* Giratina-O does not have the longevity to fit well on most balance structures, but Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish. This allows Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. However, this core struggles against Calm Mind Arceus-formes, so Pokemon such as Taunt Arceus-Fairy, Fezandipiti, and defensive Eternatus are essential.
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Taunt Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as Zacian-C make excellent teammates. Giratina-O also struggles against Specially Offensive Yveltal, so Calm Mind Arceus-Dark, Fezandipiti, Defensive / Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Heavy-Duty Boots Defensive Eternatus are great allies. Giratina-O is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground lacking Taunt with status moves. and Giratina-O can become setup fodder to defensive Primal Kyogre, so Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and defensive Primal Groudon are useful teammates. In exchange, Giratina-O checks opposing Primal Groudon that threaten them.


[SET CREDITS]
Set(s) by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bumboclaat.523420/
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/anchor9.652323/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sami.604820/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bumboclaat.523420/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
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Anchor9 said:
Sorry about that! Ready for QC 3 now. Only things I didn’t really implement was talking about how Giratina-O's typing is a double-edged sword (since this is the same with every Pokemon and doesn’t seem too important plus you have teammates for this) and how Defensive Primal Kyogre is a strong stallbreaker since Giratina-O doesn’t fit on stall.
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The SpD EVs say SpA on the second spread. The Primal Kyogre bit was as a teammate of Griatina-O to help against stall, not on stall. Giratina-O stall is incredibly mid at best imo. It is important because Giratina-O is countered by Chansey
 
:pmd/giratina-origin:

[SET]
Name: Special Utility
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hex
move 3: Defog
move 4: Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Griseous Core
ability: Levitate
nature: Modest
evs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD or 248 HP / 80 Def / 72 SpA / 64 SpD / 44 Spe
tera type: Poison / Steel
IVs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
* Thanks to its excellent typing paired with Levitate, Giratina-O serves as an excellent Defogger on bulky offense structures and checks common threats such as Primal Groudon, Coil Zygarde, and Arceus. With a specially offensive set, Giratina-O is able to more immediately threaten Primal Groudon and Zygarde while also dealing much more damage to Yveltal and Eternatus. Giratina-O can also fit on balance structures with Alomomola Alomomola's Wish (Consulted with author in Discord DMs) support due to the amazing role compression it offers. Giratina-O needs Alomomola support in order to offset its longevity issues and survive for the longer games balance teams tend to have.
* Giratina-O's choice of status determines what it is able to cripple long-term and what it cannot deal with. The status selection highly depends on the team composition Giratina-O finds itself on. Will-O-Wisp and Thunder Wave are strong into offense, (AC) while Toxic can help break down Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh balances. Will-O-Wisp is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Arceus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground. Thunder Wave is able to deal with Pokemon such as Zacian-C and Eternatus by allowing teammates such as Marshadow and Eternatus to outspeed these threats. Toxic chips down Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Primal Groudon, and support Arceus-formes Arceus formes, allowing allies such as Zacian-C and Marshadow to more easily sweep late-game. However, Toxic sets greatly struggle with Zacian-C, Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, and Calm Mind Arceus formes running Tera Poison.
* The given EV spread avoids a 2HKO from Primal Groudon's Eruption and Mega Mewtwo Y's Psystrike after Stealth Rock. In addition, it guarantees a 2HKO on Eruption Primal Groudon with Draco Meteor. Giratina-O can invest 12 Speed EVs to outspeed paralyzed Zacian-C, although though this means defensive EVs must be sacrificed. The second EV spread allows Giratina-O to survive a +3 Behemoth Blade from Zacian-C, a +2 Stone Edge from Primal Groudon, a Life Orb Yveltal's Dark Pulse, and a Tera Ghost Deoxys-A's Shadow Ball from full HP. It also is highly likely that Arceus-Dark's Foul Play is a 3HKO. In addition, (AC) Hex 3HKOs 3HKOes Coil Zygarde after status and Draco Meteor 2HKOs 2HKOes utility Sword Swords Dance Primal Groudon, (AC) and while Giratina-O can outspeed uninvested Zygarde and paralyzed Zacian-C.
* A well timed Tera well-timed Terastallization is extremely powerful with Giratina-O. Tera Poison allows Giratina-O to tank any +3 attack from Zacian-C or Dynamax Cannon from Eternatus. This allows Giratina-O to deliver a devastating Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave to cripple these threats for the rest of the game. In addition, it is useful to check Marshadow, offensive Eternatus, and non-Taunt Arceus-Fairy. The poison immunity also gives Giratina-O much more longevity against bulky balance and stall structures.
* Tera Steel provides similar utility as Tera Poison such as tanking a hit from Zacian-C lacking Close Combat or defensive Eternatus while delivering a crippling status and gaining a poison immunity. Tera Steel is able to wall Arceus-Ground, Ultra Necrozma, defensive Eternatus, and Mega-Salamence Mega Salamence more efficiently. However, Giratina-O loses the ability to check Primal Groudon sets with Overheat or Eruption and is still vulnerable to offensive Eternatus with Fire Blast. In addition, Giratina-O also becomes vulnerable to Close Combat from Zacian-C and Low Kick from Marshadow.
* Giratina-O serves as a Defogger and a reliable switch-in to all Primal Groudon sets on bulky offense, although though it does not appreciate getting hit by Toxic. It is also valued for its status, allowing it to cripple threats such as Zacian-C and offensive Eternatus sets. Due to Giratina-O's limited longevity, it should be used sparingly early-game so that it has enough HP to fulfill these roles. As Zacian-C and Meteor Beam Eternatus can quickly run through defensive cores, Giratina-O should preserve its HP to cripple these threats with status in most cases. Teammates that have better longevity such as Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy (RC) and Arceus Dark Calm Mind Arceus-Dark (Consulted with author in Discord DMs) should be used to scout sets from threats such as Yveltal early-game. In addition, Coil Zygarde and Primal Groudon are appreciated to check physical wallbreakers such as Choice Band Marshadow early-game. Giratina-O also appreciates offensive teammates such as Marshadow and Dragon Dance Zygarde.
* Giratina-O does not have the longevity to fit well on most balance structures, but Alomomola patches Giratina-O's longevity issues with Wish. This allows Giratina-O to be more aggressive in checking threats such as Primal Groudon and Zygarde early-game. In addition, Alomomola is able to easily use Toxic against Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh, allowing Giratina-O to drop Toxic to better check Zacian-C and Eternatus. However, this core struggles against Calm Mind Arceus-formes Arceus formes, so Pokemon such as Taunt Arceus-Fairy, Fezandipiti, and defensive Eternatus are essential.
* Giratina-O struggles massively against Taunt + Calm Mind Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Fairy. Therefore, Pokemon such as Zacian-C make excellent teammates. Giratina-O also struggles against specially offensive Yveltal, so Calm Mind Arceus-Dark, Fezandipiti, defensive / and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, and Heavy-Duty Boots defensive Eternatus are great allies. Giratina-O is able to cripple threats such as Zacian-C, Eternatus, and Dragon Dance Arceus-Ground lacking Taunt with status moves. and Giratina-O can become setup fodder to defensive Primal Kyogre, so Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and defensive Primal Groudon are useful teammates. In exchange, Giratina-O checks opposing Primal Groudon that threaten them. Giratina-O is also bad into stall and walled by Chansey. Therefore, defensive Kyogre is a great teammate.


[SET CREDITS]
Set(s) by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bumboclaat.523420/
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/anchor9.652323/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sami.604820/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bumboclaat.523420/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Grammar checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/tbolt.555379/

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