Got into the top 50 need help to get it higher...

Well the last rate my team I posted was me asking for help to get to the leaderboard. I took the rates to heart and The team I'm about to post did it. (Thanks for all the help everyone) However I haven't been able to ladder any higher than #47 partly due to the fact I had to take like 2 weeks off and my rating plummeted on my account from the break. Now I'm wondering if I can salvage the team or just make a new one. The new trends in Platinum have decreased the effectiveness of this time by a lot as I was laddering to the leaderboard it had like a 40-4 record however as I took my break and got back the winning % while still high was not nearly as close. With that said on to the team.


Team JLei V2

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Tyranitar @Choice Band
Sand Stream
Adamant 176HP 252ATK 80SPE
-Crunch
-Stone Edge
-Aqua Tail
-Pursuit
Tyranitar I think is one of the best anti-leads in the game getting a quick 6-5 start against those suicide Azelfs and 2HKO's almost every slow bulky SR lead (Bronzong, Swampert, Hippowdon) however with the recent popularity of Jirachi and Metagross leads his effectiveness as a lead has gone down. If anything he gets up SandStorm (which most of my team is immune too) which negates the focus sash leads which are annoying. I chose Choice Band Tyranitar because he's a monstrous physical threat and able to take out a vital member of any stall team which is a huge bonus. Especially that annoying Perish Song Celebi which hinders one of my main sweepers CM Jirachi while also comboing with Vaporeon's Toxic to pursuit get rid of Blissey.
Bug, Steel, Fighting and Ground Attacks go to Zapdos and Gliscor. Bulky Waters are generally handled by Vaporeon or gets Jirachi a free set up. Grass attacks go towards any of the 3 pokes that resist it accordingly unless it's Celebi which I just kill it.

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Serene Grace
Timid 252HP 76SPA 180SPE
-Calm Mind
-Substitute
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt
He is definitely the poke that sweeps other teams the most often and is a dangerous sweeper. It can set up on a lot of different pokes ranging from most stall pokes, Rotom-A, Empoleon (I laugh at the people who keep Agility Sub Petaya Torrent versions in on Jirachi), Bulky Waters etc. and cause havoc to most teams if you make a mistake against it. It is plenty fast and resists most priority attacks so it can continue its sweep even after it's sub is gone (most EQ users are slower). Most of my team in one way or another deals with his counters. Vaporeon deals with Heatran (though Heatran can't take repeated Thunderbolts anyways). Most of my team can deal with Tyranitar (Scizor, Gliscor, Vaporeon, even Zapdos and my own Tar) and Perish Song Celebi can't really deal with Tyranitar and Scizor.
Fire Attacks go to Vaporeon and Tyranitar. Ground Attacks go to Zapdos and Gliscor.

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Scizor @ Choice Band
Technician
Adamant 200HP 252ATK 56SPE
-Bullet Punch
-Quick Attack/ Pursuit
-U-turn
-Superpower
Probably the most self explanatory member of the team. It's the CB Scizor you see basically on every other team I was using it when it was a lot less common and not surprised to see that it's basically now the standard and also why I feel he's less effective (though still very important) then he used to be as everyone is packing counters left and right. I had Quick Attack before because I had Infernape problems and its nice luxury to have against a weakened Gyara and other things that resist Bullet Punch but I think Pursuit is the better choice. Tar covers the Rotom's and Zapdos that completely wall him and he serves as my main Salamence insurance. I had a faster EV spread before but this one seems to give it a good amount of Bulk while still outpacing most CBTars.
Fire attacks go to Vaporeon or Tar.

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Vaporeon @Leftovers
Water Absorb
Bold 252HP 224DEF 24SPD 8SPE
-Wish
-Protect
-Surf
-Toxic
This thing is probably the reason why I got to the leaderboard and definitely the most important member of my defensive core. It is an amazing little poke. It passes Wishes to my main hitters in Tar and Jirachi while also countering many of the pokes that give those 2 trouble. He's also good at crippling opposing bulky waters as well as countering any of those Sleep Talking boosters that only use a Water attack. It is extremely important in countering important threats like the before mentioned Infernape and can even scout Celebi's (to see if Jirachi can take advantage) as Grass Knot from defensive Celebi does jack to it. Protect is great for scouting choice users that switch into it so I can act accordingly. The EV spread is probably not the best possible I'm just maximizing defenses while also outspeeding 4SPE Scizor. I've been hearing good things about the 188HP 252DEF 68SPE spread and might try it.
Electric attacks go to Gliscor and Tyranitar in a pinch (especially on Specs Jolts that predict the Gliscor and use Shadow Ball). Grass Attacks go to Zapdos, Jirachi and Scizor.

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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Pressure
Bold 252HP 220DEF 36SPE
-Roost
-Discharge
-Heat Wave
-Roar
My main tank and phazer. I really hated giving up Thunder Wave on it but because I replaced Swampert on this team I really needed a phazer. Also he's insurance so CM Celebi doesn't hand me my ass so the Roar is pretty much necissary on Zapdos and he is a great phazer. Discharge for the higher paralysis chance because I don't have Thunder Wave. Heat Wave gives good coverage and makes a great counter to Scizor though I tend to Discharge anyways until I get full knowledge of the opposing team because most people send Heatran head first into Zapdos from Scizor. He covers a lot of main threats like Lucario and Scizor and walls a lot of other things and general forces teams to overextend to kill it as it is hard to take down. Ice attacks go to Vaporeon, Scizor and Jirachi. Rock attacks go to Jirachi sometimes though since always physical Gliscor.

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Gliscor @Leftovers
Sand Viel
Impish 252HP 40DEF 216SPE
-Stealth Rock
-Roost
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
My sturdy physical wall and SR layer. He replaced the Swampert that I had before as I needed another ground immunity and fighting counter as Zapdos dying means I was pretty much screwed. After laying Stealth Rock he basically just comes in and counters physical attackers. I don't like that he lacks offense and he can't do much to walls that he even hits super effectively. Sand Viel gets some funny moments that allow me to get a Roost or a KO that I wouldn't normally get. He's kind of expendable but he shores up the rest of the weaknesses type wise on the team. Ice Fang is good coverage with Earthquake and lets him take on Dragon's in a pinch. Vaporeon and him basically are perfect with one another covering each other's weaknesses which is another reason I replaced Swampert with him.

There's the team. In general my team hates status (especially burns) and while has great synergy and great balance (IMO) it is stuck in between being offensive and defensive. It's neither all sweepers and not a stall team as well which take it as a weakness or a strength.

Anyways any rates and fixes would be appreciated.
 
This is a well built team and it does seem to cover the majority of bases. There aren't any big suggestions I can make to you as it is obvious from your record alone that this team is proven to work, but I do have a couple of suggestions that you could keep in mind.

Without HP Electric on Vaporeon, it doesn't grant your team impregnability from a DD Gyarados sweep. You'd be able to Toxic it, but since Vaporeon is 2HKOed by a +1 Earthquake this might not be immediate enough to stop it from doing a good number to the rest of your team too. Thankfully, Gyarados can only really set up on Scizor and Gliscor, or a choice locked Ttar Pursuit, but I would still say this is something to take into consideration. That's why I would recommend you go for Return on Scizor in place of Pursuit / Quick Attack. Your CB Tyranitar should fulfill all your Pursuiting needs lol, and Quick Attack really only has merit for Infernape and Jolteon, both of whom you can deal with quite easily. Return hits two of Scizor's common switchins, Gyarados and Zapdos, for respectable damage:
  • Intimidated CB Return vs 4/0 Gyarados: 44.6 - 52.7%
    - As many teams rely solely on Gyarados to take on Scizor, getting a guaranteed 2HKO on them with SR can be extremely helpful in setting yourself up for a Bullet Punch sweep later on in the game. A Gyarados switching into this won't even think of Dragon Dancing, meaning you've achieved your goal.
  • CB Return vs Bold 252/220 Zapdos: 39.3 - 46.4%
    - Zapdos will be forced into either Roosting or using Heat Wave, giving your Tyranitar a free switchin to remove it for good.
Also, have you considered replacing your Gliscor with a Celebi? The reason I suggest this is, as you rightfully pointed out, you have absolutely no switchin to take a Burn. None of your tanks want the residual damage, and your sweepers are crippled by it. Celebi takes burns with Natural Cure, can set up Stealth Rock as well, while keeping a lot of the type resistances that Gliscor brought to the team - a resistance to Fighing, a resistance to Ground, and quite an important resistance to Water. Also, a lot of your team is slow but powerful, and so additional paralysis support would be of a lot of use here. Discharge isn't too reliable an attack for that. Celebi also gives you a quick kill against Swampert, who you don't really have a particularly effective way of dealing with otherwise. The set I think could be of use here is:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

- Grass Knot
- Recover
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock

Just something you could keep in mind. Good luck with your team.
 
Thanks for the compliments and the rate. Most LO DD Gyara's run Waterfall Ice Fang Stone Edge so Jirachi is fine backup just in case something goes wrong though you are right the ones with EQ though I'll definitely consider Return since Quick Attack is just filler. I'll think about the Celebi idea adding another fire weak isn't on top my list though as I have Heatran under control but having 3 fire weaks is never good on any team. Vaporeon is a very good check to Swampert as Mixpert can't really hurt it much and the mono Curse-Talker is walled by it. The EQ Waterfall Curse can be roared away with Zapdos when it is sleeping or just 3HKO'd by Jirachi. That Gliscor spot is tricky that's why I've stuck with it doesn't hurt Sand Storm helps him too.
 
hey, i remember you! I kept an agility sub petaya empoleon in on your jirachi as it calm minded, but I don't remember who won the matchup. I know I got you to ~50% but I don't know if you had a sub or not. You may laugh, but I recommend you run more speed to beat +base 95s like gliscor and electivire who can EQ you. Lucario with Ice Punch beats everything on your team, barring jirachi, which can't OHKO it without a few spdef drops from CC. Sweeper gliscor outspeeds and OHKOs every pokemon on your team after an SD besides your own gliscor, but it isn't that common.
 
I think putting in Bliss for gliscor is the best thing you could do. seeing as you would have no Sp wall. And with zapdos you still have a counter for fighting. And Vap for the mix apes.
 
hey, i remember you! I kept an agility sub petaya empoleon in on your jirachi as it calm minded, but I don't remember who won the matchup. I know I got you to ~50% but I don't know if you had a sub or not. You may laugh, but I recommend you run more speed to beat +base 95s like gliscor and electivire who can EQ you. Lucario with Ice Punch beats everything on your team, barring jirachi, which can't OHKO it without a few spdef drops from CC. Sweeper gliscor outspeeds and OHKOs every pokemon on your team after an SD besides your own gliscor, but it isn't that common.

I got up 2 Calm Minds then subbed and then Tbolted your Empoleon. I think I ran through a bit of your team with Jirachi there. The point is if Jirachi switches in on your Agility attack it or switch. Don't sub as you give it a free Calm Mind then after 1 more you can't break it's sub and you get set up on. +2 from Dancing Tank w/ LO Gliscor does 64-75% to Vaporeon and is OHKOd by Surf. Max Attack with LO fails to OHKO some of the time and nobody runs that version of SD Gliscor as it ruins his tanking ability. All Jirachi needs is one Sd. Def Drop as that does average of 81.5% to Lucario after a drop. To beat Gliscor it has to be Jolly Ice Punch and if it is then it never OHKO's Zapdos after SR. Most are Crunch versions anyways because of Rotom and Gliscor and Zapdos does a fine job of keeping it and Scizor in check.
 
Ehh well I don't know why you lead with Tyranitar all the Suicude Leads such as Metagross, Infernape, and Aerodactyl all rape it. So you should change the lead. You can keep Tyranitar just midgame you can bring him in. Early is just not good, people lead with too many Metagross's and Infernapes these days.

I really can't think of a pokemon to take out from your team and put in as well =/. So you should change the lead imo, other than that pretty standard and good team.
 
Ehh well I don't know why you lead with Tyranitar all the Suicude Leads such as Metagross, Infernape, and Aerodactyl all rape it. So you should change the lead. You can keep Tyranitar just midgame you can bring him in. Early is just not good, people lead with too many Metagross's and Infernapes these days.

I really can't think of a pokemon to take out from your team and put in as well =/. So you should change the lead imo, other than that pretty standard and good team.

Yep I agree. That's why it hasn't been winning as much lately. It was a good anti lead against the Azelfs and Bronzongs and Hippos that were really common a month ago. Now with Metagross being super popular it's effectiveness has gone down. Thanks for the compliment though.
 
I got up 2 Calm Minds then subbed and then Tbolted your Empoleon. I think I ran through a bit of your team with Jirachi there. The point is if Jirachi switches in on your Agility attack it or switch. Don't sub as you give it a free Calm Mind then after 1 more you can't break it's sub and you get set up on. +2 from Dancing Tank w/ LO Gliscor does 64-75% to Vaporeon and is OHKOd by Surf. Max Attack with LO fails to OHKO some of the time and nobody runs that version of SD Gliscor as it ruins his tanking ability. All Jirachi needs is one Sd. Def Drop as that does average of 81.5% to Lucario after a drop. To beat Gliscor it has to be Jolly Ice Punch and if it is then it never OHKO's Zapdos after SR. Most are Crunch versions anyways because of Rotom and Gliscor and Zapdos does a fine job of keeping it and Scizor in check.


Well first of all, even though I got set-up on, the set-up didnt do you any good because you were revenge killed with an EQ. Second, sure vaporeon can beat the dancing tank if it switches in on SD, but what about the physical sweeper version? You are OHKOd half the time after SR and sandstorm will take you out anyway if you don't die from the EQ. So, if your vaporeon has taken less than 10% prior damage, it will die. That isn't really a problem with this team though, since those are rare. Overall, I'm not saying your team has much of a problem with anything standard as far as I can see besides set-up sweepers that resist bullet punch. e.g. waterfall, stone edge, eq, dd gyarados and SD, CC, Ice Punch, something lucario.
 
Well first of all, even though I got set-up on, the set-up didnt do you any good because you were revenge killed with an EQ. Second, sure vaporeon can beat the dancing tank if it switches in on SD, but what about the physical sweeper version? You are OHKOd half the time after SR and sandstorm will take you out anyway if you don't die from the EQ. So, if your vaporeon has taken less than 10% prior damage, it will die. That isn't really a problem with this team though, since those are rare. Overall, I'm not saying your team has much of a problem with anything standard as far as I can see besides set-up sweepers that resist bullet punch. e.g. waterfall, stone edge, eq, dd gyarados and SD, CC, Ice Punch, something lucario.

I kept the sub up i believe. So your EQ guy died after he broke the sub. Unless I'm mistaken. I set up on a lot of Empoleon's :). Oh like I said the Sweeper version I've never seen because it's a bad use of Gliscor's tanking abilities. Jolly Ice Punch Lucario can be covered by Zapdos and Jirachi. LO DD Gyara well yah if its an EQ version it gives me a lil trouble until I stall it out with Toxic/ just kill it with Scizor QA when its weak enough. Thanks for the rate though.
 
Go to Gliscor get rocks up. Walls Jirachi and Metagross and Aerodactyl. They don't trick lead Tar normally. Against Sash Tar go to Gliscor for superpower then Vaporeon on the ice beam which walls it. Go to Vaporeon on Infernape (whos sash will be gone). Azelf dies. It's not ideal but thats the plan lol.
 
Gliscor and Zapdos wall a lot of the same things, except for tyranitar, which scizor and jirachi can handle with a bit of prediction. I'd suggest changing gliscor into a blissey with SR, aromatherapy / toxic, softboiled, seismic toss / flamethrower. This will give you a sturdy special wall and status absorber due to natural cure.

Also vaporeon will want max hp and defense. Infernapes run more attack since garchomp is banned and with sandstorm and SR, vaporeon may be 2HKOed.

A slight Lucario weaknesses, so you could change zapdos ev spread into the following: 252 hp / 80 def / 176 spe Timid. This will outspeed all lucario and OHKO with heatwave, also adamant lucarios +2 extremespeed will not OHKO after SR and sandstorm.
 
Platinum has given your team a new problem - rotom-a, which would give your team a hard time. With will-o-wisp, tyranitar and scizor won't be coming in and it will do a lot of damage to your team with thunderbolt on vaporeon, which is basically the only pokemon on your team that can take special hits well. Also, you have nothing to take a tricked choice scarf from rotom. Also, your team has no moves to hit it super-effectively with dark or ghost moves besides tyranitar, which won't like getting burned. I think you should replace gliscor or zapdos with a blissey to deal with this threat. It can also take burns. Overheat would also cripple your jirachi because it does a lot of damage to it.
 
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